What a beautiful coin! Curious if you agree with the grade? It looks better than 55.
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LOL. And to think I was reading just a few hours ago how coins you were posting pics of proved nothing at all, weren't really very nice and showed absolutely no sense of being able to assess original surfaces
<< <i>What a beautiful coin! Curious if you agree with the grade? It looks better than 55. >>
It was the only coin in the 13 coin submission that I thought should go gold. I expected 10/13 stickers and got 10/13 stickers but was wrong on 4 coins (2 each way).
<< <i>LOL. And to think I was reading just a few hours ago how coins you were posting pics of proved nothing at all, weren't really very nice and showed absolutely no sense of being able to assess original surfaces
Congrats! Who did you use for the CAC submission? >>
Today, I used exciting new technology to broadcast a completely live coin show report to anyone who cares to read it, but far more people are interested in the gold sticker.
I recently acquired a coin from CRO that would have been a candidate for a gold sticker but when I inquired about the coin they said it was out for a re-grade. Now it has a green sticker one grade higher than when I originally inquired about the coin.
My question to you is after your break what are your current collecting interests? Looks like you are back into gold.
RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
It doesn't matter what most collectors want, it matters what the guy who owns it wants - and he is telling you he likes it in its old OGH with a gold sticker.
And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders.
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
It doesn't matter what most collectors want, it matters what the guy who owns it wants - and he is telling you he likes it in its old OGH with a gold sticker.
And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders.
- Edited to fix a spate of typos. >>
Yes, I like old holders too.
Recently I purchased an 1825 quarter eagle. In a previous auction it had been in green label PCGS MS-61 holder. In this auction someone had cracked out the coin, sent it to PCGS and then to CAC. The coin is now a PCGS MS-61, new holder with a CAC sticker. I would have preferred the green label holder, and the CAC does not grab me one way or the other.
And oh yes, I could have saved the guy who cracked the coin out the trouble. There was no way that coin could have made it into an MS-62 holder. It was a waste to re-submit it.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
Personally, I would NEVER resubmit one of my gold stickered coins for upgrade. I'd rather have the old holder w/ the gold sticker than start the game all over again in quest of the higher number on the label.
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
Personally, I would NEVER resubmit one of my gold stickered coins for upgrade. I'd rather have the old holder w/ the gold sticker than start the game all over again in quest of the higher number on the label. >>
Well, I read here that most collectors would not do it that way, so we should do what most collectors do. Frankly, I cannot think of a single collector who would. Maybe I will start a poll on it later...
O.K. I get it. It's the sticker and the slab that's important. In all seriousness, I collect old slabs (I have the Black NGC and the PCGS Regency) so I can understand what you are saying.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The only way I would upgrade a slab that had a gold sticker on it is if it was not PCGS. My OCD requires everything I own to be in PCGS holders even if I lose big money on a downgrade.
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper? >>
My most valuable gold coin, nestled for the last four years in a PCGS holder, previously in an NGC fatty, has completely hazed over from putty. It applies to everything.
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper? >>
No, although I would say that it's extremely important for red copper. In my opinion, doctoring was less sophisticated 20 years ago, so keeping coins in holders that are 2 decades old indicates that the coin is much less likely to have been messed with in any way.
Also - and I know some who disagree - a collection really has to have some PQ coins in it in order to be considered superb. It can't be all maxxed out low end stuff [even if properly graded] in order to receive the respect it should command.
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper? >>
It applies to gold and silver too.
I've seen silver coins turn because they had been dipped and not properly rinsed. They can turn some very ugly colors when this happens.
Gold coins that have been dipped to remove copper stains can be trouble too. The copper stains can come back. The same applies to nickels that have been dipped. When the copper in those alloys is not mixed well, you can get streaks and spots and these streaks are more than skin deep.
At least when it’s in an older holder (10 years old is nice), you can figure that the item is pretty stable.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
<< <i>Also - and I know some who disagree - a collection really has to have some PQ coins in it in order to be considered superb. It can't be all maxxed out low end stuff [even if properly graded] in order to receive the respect it should command. >>
I dunno, I wasn't really paying much attention to the slab numbers when I viewed Sunnywood's Morgan collection. The coins spoke for themselves. What a concept.
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Yet, for any $3 gold, I cannot get over this bizarre thought:
(100 stamps)
Here's the question:
Do you love your gold sticker? Even with a numeric grade of 55. That's a nice 55 indeed.
Or would you rather have a 58. Let's throw in a green sticker too, cuz it looks like a high end 58 to me.
beautiful coin
Who is John Galt?
<< <i>very nice... does the gold sticker guarantee the coin will upgrade?.... I don't know how this works. >>
No.
The name is LEE!
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LOL. And to think I was reading just a few hours ago how coins you were posting pics of proved nothing at all, weren't really very nice and showed absolutely no sense of being able to assess original surfaces
Congrats! Who did you use for the CAC submission?
<< <i>What a beautiful coin! Curious if you agree with the grade? It looks better than 55. >>
It was the only coin in the 13 coin submission that I thought should go gold. I expected 10/13 stickers and got 10/13 stickers but was wrong on 4 coins (2 each way).
<< <i>LOL. And to think I was reading just a few hours ago how coins you were posting pics of proved nothing at all, weren't really very nice and showed absolutely no sense of being able to assess original surfaces
Congrats! Who did you use for the CAC submission? >>
Today, I used exciting new technology to broadcast a completely live coin show report to anyone who cares to read it, but far more people are interested in the gold sticker.
<< <i>Judging by the image, it appears to be accurately graded with the typical rubbing on the cheek and in the hair, for a 55. >>
It has some white splotches on it in the fields that you can see with the coin in hand. That's probably why JA liked it so much.
My question to you is after your break what are your current collecting interests? Looks like you are back into gold.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
'dude
Yes, but I am not sure what my direction (in gold) will be. The 1855 $3 was purchased a while back.
Whereabouts was the coin graded and priced at when you purchased it?--55, 58 etc
It was strong money, but I do not remember and not motivated enough to look it up.
RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd.
So . . . tell us about the results on the 1800 $5.
Gone.
It has the look™, doesn't it?
<< <i>Coin was purchased from CRO. >>
That says a lot.
Congrats. Nice coin!
Just picture him wearing his gold ski cap and gold laden shirt/sweatshirt and holding his gold sticker in the late fall when his home team shows up!
Can't you see why he worships gold? Disgusting I say!
What sports fans would do to support their home team!
Congrats to you even though you ARE a Steelers fan.
Signed, a suffering Browns fan. Wait til Next DECADE!
Signed, a suffering Browns fan. Wait til Next DECADE!
Try...next lifetime.
Signed, a suffering Browns fan. Wait til Next DECADE!>>
LifeTime Card Carrying Member Of The DAWG POUND!!!
Ill stay loyal to them for the rest of my life. I remember the days of Jim Brown fondly most of all though, even good ole Bernie Kosar...
Man I miss them guys.
Oh yea, even though youre a Steelers guy RYK, ID buy ya a beer anytime......
Even though your football choices are subpar to your coin picks...
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
> Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade.
The rarity factor here is in the gold sticker. I would keep the grade as is. The coin is always the coin, no matter what the TPG says.
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<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
It doesn't matter what most collectors want, it matters what the guy who owns it wants - and he is telling you he likes it in its old OGH with a gold sticker.
And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders.
- Edited to fix a spate of typos.
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
I am one of those like-minded collectors.
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<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
It doesn't matter what most collectors want, it matters what the guy who owns it wants - and he is telling you he likes it in its old OGH with a gold sticker.
And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders.
- Edited to fix a spate of typos. >>
Yes, I like old holders too.
Recently I purchased an 1825 quarter eagle. In a previous auction it had been in green label PCGS MS-61 holder. In this auction someone had cracked out the coin, sent it to PCGS and then to CAC. The coin is now a PCGS MS-61, new holder with a CAC sticker. I would have preferred the green label holder, and the CAC does not grab me one way or the other.
And oh yes, I could have saved the guy who cracked the coin out the trouble. There was no way that coin could have made it into an MS-62 holder. It was a waste to re-submit it.
<< <i>
<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
Personally, I would NEVER resubmit one of my gold stickered coins for upgrade. I'd rather have the old holder w/ the gold sticker than start the game all over again in quest of the higher number on the label.
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<< <i>RYK---Are you going to resubmit it to PCGS for a grade review and possible upgrade? At least we can find out if JA got it right.
Of course not. That would be absurd. >>
Definitely not absurd. JA thinks your coin is undergraded in its current holder otherwise he wouldn't have given it a gold sticker. Most collectors want their coins in a properly graded slab especially if the proper grade is higher and reflects the coin's true grade. >>
Personally, I would NEVER resubmit one of my gold stickered coins for upgrade. I'd rather have the old holder w/ the gold sticker than start the game all over again in quest of the higher number on the label. >>
Well, I read here that most collectors would not do it that way, so we should do what most collectors do.
You throw enough mud at the wall, some of it sticks.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper? >>
My most valuable gold coin, nestled for the last four years in a PCGS holder, previously in an NGC fatty, has completely hazed over from putty. It applies to everything.
<< <i>
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper? >>
No, although I would say that it's extremely important for red copper. In my opinion, doctoring was less sophisticated 20 years ago, so keeping coins in holders that are 2 decades old indicates that the coin is much less likely to have been messed with in any way.
Also - and I know some who disagree - a collection really has to have some PQ coins in it in order to be considered superb. It can't be all maxxed out low end stuff [even if properly graded] in order to receive the respect it should command.
<< <i>
<< <i>And in my experience, there are plenty of like-minded collectors who want to have some assurance that their coin hasn't been monkeyed with anytime in the recent past and is more likely to stay looking like it does now than some other freshly graded pieces. Which is why we like selling coins in old holders. >>
Doesn't this apply primarily to copper? >>
It applies to gold and silver too.
I've seen silver coins turn because they had been dipped and not properly rinsed. They can turn some very ugly colors when this happens.
Gold coins that have been dipped to remove copper stains can be trouble too. The copper stains can come back. The same applies to nickels that have been dipped. When the copper in those alloys is not mixed well, you can get streaks and spots and these streaks are more than skin deep.
At least when it’s in an older holder (10 years old is nice), you can figure that the item is pretty stable.
<< <i>Also - and I know some who disagree - a collection really has to have some PQ coins in it in order to be considered superb. It can't be all maxxed out low end stuff [even if properly graded] in order to receive the respect it should command. >>
I dunno, I wasn't really paying much attention to the slab numbers when I viewed Sunnywood's Morgan collection. The coins
spoke for themselves. What a concept.