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1803 Kettle Token

hyf88hyf88 Posts: 294 ✭✭✭
I recently went to a coin auction while on vacation and picked this up for $10. After researching and old thread it appears these were made in England back in the early 1800s and I paid about what it is worth. This one seems to be in VF condition. I'd like to see pictures if anyone else has them. Thanks!



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- Bill

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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    someone here has one.
    it looked old and pitted like it was dug.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I recently went to a coin auction while on vacation and picked this up for $10. After researching and old thread it appears these were made in England back in the early 1800s and I paid about what it is worth. This one seems to be in VF condition. I'd like to see pictures if anyone else has them. Thanks!



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    - Bill >>



    That's a pretty decent one. Has a lot of the original gilding.
    Nice find.
    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,336 ✭✭✭✭
    If you want to really have some fun, bury it in the sand and wait for a metal detectorist to come by...
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice acquisition! My sense is that a Kettle token in that condition is worth way more than $10, I'm guessing in the $50 to $100 range.

    Note: Some of the Kettle tokens had the KETTLE ground off.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • firstmintfirstmint Posts: 1,171
    That one looks like a quarter eagle size. If so, it's worth more than what was paid.
    PM me if you are looking for U.S. auction catalogs
  • AOEDADAOEDAD Posts: 107
    These were made by KETTLE .. the 19th century maker with premises in Suffolk Street in Birmingham, England. Kettle’s signature can be seen to the right of the date. He was active from about 1781 through 1814.

    These pieces are regarded as the first copies of American gold coins (see American Game Counters, Rulau & Fuld).

    The Qtr Eagle is a R-4 and the Half Eagle is R-5.

    Worth about $100 .. but worth much more in high grades.

    side note - NGC will certify the Kettle tokens
    "Authority on Exonumia" - DAD

    "many contacts among the Lumberjacks "

    NGC Registry AOEDAD sets:

    Set #1 Major Expositions
    Set #2 So-called Dollar Collections
    So-called $50 Slug Facsimiles
    Bashlow re-strikes


  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice find...I would like to have one of those... Cheers, RickO
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my half eagle sized example

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    judging by the lack of replies, not many folks have one of these curiosities.

    thanks for the post AOEDAD, I hadn't ever heard rarity estimates for the Kettles

    edit: just did a Google search, learned that there are 22 different varieties, mostly dated 1803, but including two unique pieces, one dated 1801 and one dated 1805

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I always thought these were interesting and cool numismatic items.
    I've looked for one casually over the years and landed on this one.
    The wear and overall condition is what I was seeking and I am pleased
    to have picked this one up today.

    I'd love to see other examples if you too own one.



    peacockcoins

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2023 1:53PM

    Please don’t call my Kettle black!

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kettle token are among my favorites.

    quarter eagle. Gilt
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    Quarter eagle silver. Sometimes Refered to as a Dime
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    Half eagle, gilt
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    Half eagle, toned.
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    Half eagle toned VF30. Wanted to see how low I can find one that will straight grade.
    Not as easy as it sounds :-)

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    Just a paper that has some information on Kettle Tokens.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinsarefun said:
    Kettle token are among my favorites.

    quarter eagle. Gilt
    .

    Quarter eagle silver. Sometimes Refered to as a Dime
    .

    Half eagle, gilt
    .

    Half eagle, toned.
    .

    .
    Half eagle toned VF30. Wanted to see how low I can find one that will straight grade.
    Not as easy as it sounds :-)

    .

    .
    Just a paper that has some information on Kettle Tokens.

    Nice set!

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • tokenprotokenpro Posts: 883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinsarefun said:

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    Just a paper that has some information on Kettle Tokens.

    Actually this is the page on Kettle tokens borrowed from the catalog "American Game Counters" by Russell Rulau and George Fuld published by the Token And Medal Society (TAMS). It was included as a stand alone TAMS Journal supplement that was given free to all members of record when it was published in 1972/3. It is still the standard catalog for U.S. game counters but is becoming ever more elusive to find. My working copy looks like a typical dug Kettle $5.

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