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  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    When i sell on ebay i try to post a good description and fair shipping amounts. All of this info and a return is listed for all to see. 98 percent of the time the bidder bids on one of my items and pays. I package well and ship fast. Sometimes i make a buck or 2 on shipping and other times i lose a few bucks.

    I hate 100 emails after the auction wanting to change the terms, esp. on 75 dollars worth of items. You win, you pay, i ship ASAP. If you do not like send back.

    There are about 10 types of ebay buyers

    1. Those that read the whole auction, bid, win and are happy with the item.

    2. Those that want to change the price after they won or changed their mind cause they bid on 3 things just like it and won a few others.

    3. Winning bidders that fall off the face of the earth after the win your auction

    4. Those that win and auction and start sending you emails saying that USPS only charges 2.75 to ship item won.

    5. Those that want you to say on the customs for the item is worth 2 dollars instead of 1000

    6. Those that win your item and recieve said item and now they want to try to get you to adjust the price just because they operate that way.

    7. Those that send hateful emails and demanding emails

    8. Those that win multiple auctions and pay each one seperate as they go, you have go go back and make adjustments and refund them, they always seem to be nice and polite.

    9...........

    10...........

    I think i have 2 or 3 people blocked at ebay, and far more goes right than wrong but people that decide they are more special and entitled to more than the next person can sure make get under your skin sometimes. Someone that complains about slightly overpriced shipping must have a hard time coping with life on a daily basis.

    I am glad that 98 percent are easy transactions.
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  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486
    His sales/shipping policy certainly isn't designed with the intent of winning many friends, but you did agree to it. A good guy, or smart seller, wouldn't charge you for the extra pieces, this fellow obviously is neither , you can dis him with feedback, now get on with it,s a few bucks!!
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,996 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He is charging you what he said he would. You bid knowing the shipping charges. >>

    Right. Pay the man. Continue finding more good buys. This is much too insignificant to get excited about.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • Heres my take on this situation, and Ive read the enitre thread.


    If it states his policy, and he doesnt want to save you any money on the shipping, just pay whats stated and move on. This is a buyers market and theres plenty of sellers to choose from. No need to do business with someone that doesnt want to earn a long term buyer.

    As to getting a good deal on the coins, that doesnt matter concerning the shipping. Or at least it shouldnt. He knows how ebay works and if his coins sell for less, thats the gamble of using ebay.

    If you already got a decent deal on the coins, just pay the shipping.




  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    This is really a dilemma?



    Steve
    Good for you.
  • RINATIONALSRINATIONALS Posts: 171 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>"I hit R&I (Tomaska) back a few weeks ago on 4 items- low cost on the bids won, they shipped all four items for the price of one, and when I got the package- it showed that he actually paid a bit more to ship than what I had paid, and that was the second time I have bought from him, will I go back- you bet I will."

    So your definition of a really good seller is one where you can rip the item, and then get it shipped to you at less than his cost... and since R&I messed up and did that once, seems you evidently expect it from others as well. Good to know. >>



    Hmmm, had to think this one through for a moment. if the item won was sadly low and no bidders then that to me is not a rip, that may be considered to be a rip, but maybe the market is waning. As for the getting it shipped for less than what it cost and expecting it from others- I believe you are reading more into what I said than what I wrote, so in essence NO I do not 'expect it to happen with every seller.

    I can not help it if the item listed did not sell for moon money, my gain- sure, but would I consider myself lucky in this situation- yes. As I said- if he says no to my request he gets his money no matter what, and I move on. if he waxes me on the cost of shipping it will tell in the stars and the comment section ( I did win 7 in all).

    I am not being unreasonable here by any means- I'm like a lot of coin collectors- cheap.


    and Bochiman- you are a bad man- bad- shame on you....image >>



    So you read his terms, agreed to them by bidding, per your own statement got the coins at a below market price, said you were going to pay but now threaten his star rating because you're a whiney little baby who can't get your way?
    You sir should be ashamed of yourself....
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    This really should NOT even be an issue much less a topic for discussion (or opinions) BECAUSE

    as previously stated, many times over, the conditions were KNOWN prior to bidding.

    As a seller, MH2, YOU KNOW that IF you charge S/H, PayPal EATS that charge & then some -
    which means ACTUAL S/H comes off the top AFTER eBay EATS their 8.75% in fvf.

    You got a great deal (RIP) and knew the conditions - PAY THE MAN! image

    Anyone that sells on eBay already knows all this...... so, there IS no problem, right. image
  • Some of you guys & gals amaze me! It happens everyday in business. Here is an example and this happened while I sat in the owners office discussing our new safety incentive program for my steel erecting crews. Owner is wanting to buy a piece of light manufacturing property in the North Texas area because the expansion of this company I am working for is going ballistic, small fab shop- 100K sq. ft. asking price was 1.3 mil, owner offered the guy 500K- its been sitting vacant for 3 years, seller comes back with 999K, owner tells the man- max- 750K cash and wants the parking lot repaved and windows fixed, which is about 45K in cost. Seller accepted!

    Negotiation is an art, I negotiated my contract with them as well as my budget for the next year- and neither the owner or the Sr. V.P. of Operations batted an eye at what I asked for, and my working budget is close to 1.9 mil roughly .20% of net profit for this company.

    Now just an FYI- the seller of the coins and I came to an agreement- via a phone call, I apologized to him for being a schmuck and asking him to reduce the shipping- he had no problem with that, but wondered why he got hammered on not just my 7 items, but that of 12 others. I suggested he end the auctions on a Sunday- Fridays are for partying, getting off a mad/bad 40+ workweek. and on a footnote- I will be a return buyer, and those here know that- if you have what I want, I will bid what I feel is where I want to be with the item(s).

    He will get 7 positive votes and 5 stars across the board. There is nothing wrong with negotiating a deal.

    Hell I would do it with any of you and I have no one on a BBL list- life is way to short to play that game, unless you thought I was out to steal from you.

    Oh by the way telephoto1- do you know my ebay handles? The wife and I have a total of 4.....and you know only of bass_a_sassun- take a look at my feedback- its not much- but it is there for you to see.

    alls well that ends well...



  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
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    I'm more of an ebay buyer than seller (about 10:1). I agree with Morganhunter2, there's nothing wrong with trying to negotiate the deal. I often ask Seller's to consolidate items and shipping costs to reduce the total layout. And more often than not ebay Sellers are very accommodating. If Morganhunter2 is guilty of anything here it might be his "tact". And he admitted to the seller and apologized for being a schmuck about it. I think his request for better shipping terms was not out of line.

    Cheers!

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I agree ask all you want, the guy said NO, so how is this a dilemma?

    He said no, so pay it.


    Not sure I understand what the problem is.



    Steve
    Good for you.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Some of you guys & gals amaze me! It happens everyday in business. Here is an example and this happened while I sat in the owners office discussing our new safety incentive program for my steel erecting crews. Owner is wanting to buy a piece of light manufacturing property in the North Texas area because the expansion of this company I am working for is going ballistic, small fab shop- 100K sq. ft. asking price was 1.3 mil, owner offered the guy 500K- its been sitting vacant for 3 years, seller comes back with 999K, owner tells the man- max- 750K cash and wants the parking lot repaved and windows fixed, which is about 45K in cost. Seller accepted! >>



    OK but the extras were asked for before the contract was made.
    It would be different if after the contract he asked for something else.




    << <i>He will get 7 positive votes and 5 stars across the board. There is nothing wrong with negotiating a deal. >>



    I don't fault you for asking, it sounds like you did right and rated him based on doing what the listing said. Next time send an email asking about combining into a flat rate box before you bid. The seller is more likely to agree because you may bid higher if the others get cheaper shipping and it's simpler for the seller.

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  • SHIPPING CHARGES ----- This has been an issue that has pissed me off since I have been on Ebay (over 10 years). In the beginning most sellers were pretty fair....use a .50 padded folder and postage with the price rounded off, up just a little. Then as the costs to eBay went up, the sellers used that excuse to pad the costs with (shipping, handling, processing, computer paper, time to the post office etc.) Now some are charging between 7 to 9 bucks. I have written some and gotten lame answers too. A few weeks back I paid $4 for postage and received a slabbed coin in an envelope with .45 cent postage stamp on it that the Post Office had to reseal with tape as it had torn open in transit....I felt lucky I even got that one.

    My attitude is to not bid on any items with outrageous postage fees.
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  • tmcsr69tmcsr69 Posts: 1,307


    << <i>He is charging you what he said he would. You bid knowing the shipping charges. >>



    Can't argue with this thinking. And if you got a good deal on the coins as you stated, I would just pay it and go on.
    Crazy old man from Missouri
  • Item # Item Title Quantity Price Amount
    PCGS 1984-S PR69 DCAM Washington Quarter 1 $5.56 $5.56
    PCGS 1984-S PR69 DCAM Lincoln Cent 1 $12.50 $12.50
    PCGS 1974-S PR69 DCAM Washington Quarter 1 $5.59 $5.59
    PCGS 1974-S PR69 DCAM Roosevelt Dime 1 $14.50 $14.50
    PCGS 1984-S PR69 DCAM Kennedy Half 1 $9.25 $9.25
    PCGS 1984-S PR69 DCAM Roosevelt Dime 1 $5.51 $5.51
    PCGS 1984-S PR69 DCAM Jefferson Nickel 1 $9.01 $9.01


    I took out the item numbers of the ebay auction, but this is what I won last night from the seller.

    just an FYI- I set my max bid on all of these, and was screwing around most of the night, not really paying attention to the auctions, if I won cool if I didn't that's ok- there are many out there. These are birth year sets that I am putting together for my step son and his soon to be bride. Its a small gift to get them enticed into collecting for them and my grand daughter who has her own collection thanks to grampa..

    So schmuck that I am- I guess I did ok for modern crap..



  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I were an ebay seller, I'd ban anybody who gave me less than stellar feedback over my stated shipping rates. If you don't like them, don't bid. It's as simple as that.

    As far as insurance goes, it's been proven many times on this forum that insurance protects the seller not the buyer. Insurance is necessary and leaving it out of any calculations is silly. >>



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  • << <i>He is charging you what he said he would. You bid knowing the shipping charges.[/q

    I agree.
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  • I can't believe you (and others) are getting upset about $2.99+$1.99 for each extra coin postage. That sounds fair to me. Since moving to Australia and buying coins on ebay, many (most?) of my purchases have been either from the U.S. or England. Quite often, the postage costs more than the coin itself. I don't complain because, either I asked before I bid or it was clearly stated in the auction. I do the math, decide how bad I want the coin and pay the price without complaining.

    I don't see how this is even an issue.


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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My advice would be to pay it. You've saved $19.72 on shipping by buying multiple lots according to the way you described the seller advertised. At $5 or $6 a coin the profit margin is going to be razor thin; probably less than a dollar per coin or possibly a loss. If the seller is breaking even or even profiting $5, how can you blame them for not wanting to be of service to you for free or even a loss?
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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He stated the shipping costs upfront, and that's part of the deal - the same deal that you got for a good price.

    He's free to use whatever method of shipment to you at whatever cost savings he can arrive at, and you're free to ask for a better rate but he's not obligated to negotiate it.
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  • << <i>He stated the shipping costs upfront, and that's part of the deal - the same deal that you got for a good price.

    He's free to use whatever method of shipment to you at whatever cost savings he can arrive at, and you're free to ask for a better rate but he's not obligated to negotiate it. >>



    And you are absolutely right, he is not obligated to do anything but deliver the coins for the price stated.

    If a few of you guys read the posts that continue page after page, you might see where the seller and I came to an agreed figure and the issue has since been resolved, in fact a few posts up from this one I show you all what I bought! Did the seller lose money on this deal? if I were to take PCGS retail pricing versus what I paid for them, then yes he lost out.

    I promise from now on when I bid on a coin(s) I will send off to the seller asking for a reduced shipping rate should I win more than one auction in a day/night, that way I will not feel guilty for saving a few bucks here and there, in order to purchase more items, maybe from that seller or others. Now if by chance I am in one of my medical moods, I may have to place the question 7 seconds before I snipe the item, which if done the seller would have to respond after auction close- in which some don't respond, they just send you a bill.

  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Just as a point of clarification...my problem isn't with OP negotiating a better shipping price; that happens on a daily basis. My problem is with waiting until after he already bid and won to do so. That's the whole and entire point. If it all worked out, great. Still doesn't make it right. JMHO

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  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    seller comes back with 999K, owner tells the man- max- 750K cash and wants the parking lot repaved and windows fixed, which is about 45K in cost. Seller accepted

    If you don't see a distinction between negotiation over a 1/4 million dollar difference in a real estate transaction and a handful of dollars for shipping, I don't think there is anything I can say that will make any sense to you. Initiating negotiations over a few bucks for shipping as you did when the descriptions were clear, was in poor tast IMO.

    Like many others who have posted here, I have found your contributions to the forum to be many and thoughtful...but on this issue, I think your wrong to ask the seller for the reduction.

    I wouldn't have asked for the shipping reduction since the auction description was clear and I would have factored the cost of shipping each item into my max bids.

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Like many others who have posted here, I have found your contributions to the forum to be many and thoughtful...but on this issue, I think your wrong to ask the seller for the reduction.

    I wouldn't have asked for the shipping reduction since the auction description was clear and I would have factored the cost of shipping each item into my max bids. >>



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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    In 1964 I took my first high school algebra test. The first sentence on the test was to read all the instructions first. If one managed to do that they found in the last sentence of the instructions only to do the first question. Most of the class ignored that and soon students were standing, clapping, humming, making faces, etc. All of these were required in subsequent questions. I've never forgotten that test. I admit to after seeing the first silly question that I went back and reread the instructions. Most did not. image Needless to say it was a funny class that day.


  • << <i>In 1964 I took my first high school algebra test. The first sentence on the test was to read all the instructions first. If one managed to do that they found in the last sentence of the instructions only to do the first question. Most of the class ignored that and soon students were standing, clapping, humming, making faces, etc. All of these were required in subsequent questions. I've never forgotten that test. I admit to after seeing the first silly question that I went back and reread the instructions. Most did not. image Needless to say it was a funny class that day. >>



    Mike- where did you go to school? I had the exact same test- and did just what it said- read all before answering.

    Had I THOUGHT that I was going to win all 7 auctions, I would have sent the seller a message in the text of "Hey if I'm the lucky bast erd to win all the auctions that I bid on- will ya cut the cost of shipping"?. FYI- the guy has a pure feedback- no gripes or complaints from anyone- perfect score all around, and has been there a long time. I DID NOT THINK ABOUT IT until AFTER I WON ALL THAT I BID ON!!!!, so as I said before- I will ASK every seller for a reduction on shipping even if it is ONE item or several, and I will do it prior to my bidding. NEVER AGAIN- WILL I BID ON A BATCH AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER!!!!

    want an cool update.. seller sends me an ebay message claiming his P.O> will only allow him to send XX amount of packages in a day, and wanted to know if it would be alright if my package went out a bit late, because he had SO MANY auctions that had to get out this weekend.

    Should I cut him some slack? Oh I did ask him if his PO works part time, considering I have never heard of a limit on what you can ship....
    I'm not laughing nor making this one up...


  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The seller did take a whipping on this one unfortunately.

    And yet you feel the need to beat him up an additional $5 on shipping?





    I agree, that really was the worst part about this mess.




  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not reading the entire thread but here's my 2 cents worth.

    Pay the seller what he billed you for as it was clearly stated.

    When all the fees he is paying are considered, he isn't making that much (on shipping) and probably losing money for a lot of time and effort.
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  • forget everything: Just Neg him for not O/N shipping you the items that you won.
    If I win an auction and don't get the product within 36 hours You get 1's on your DSR and a big NEG.
    Can't believe these lowlife ebay sellers. Neg them all! image
  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If their listing says $2.99 and $1.99 for each additional item, just pay the $1.99 per additional item. I think it's a little high but then I only ask for $1 for each additional item when I'm selling. >>

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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>In 1964 I took my first high school algebra test. The first sentence on the test was to read all the instructions first. If one managed to do that they found in the last sentence of the instructions only to do the first question. Most of the class ignored that and soon students were standing, clapping, humming, making faces, etc. All of these were required in subsequent questions. I've never forgotten that test. I admit to after seeing the first silly question that I went back and reread the instructions. Most did not. image Needless to say it was a funny class that day. >>



    Mike- where did you go to school? I had the exact same test- and did just what it said- read all before answering.

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