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It's a cleaned, artificially-toned POS... but I like it! UPDATE: PCGS holdered it.

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My local b&m had it in the case, and I just had to have it. In one way it's a complete travesty, but
in another, it's quite alluring...

Most likely the toning is residual from the cleaning rather than intentional?

The $64,000 question, of course, is "Will it sticker?" imageimage

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly, Im sure JA would put a sticker on it if you paid him 64000$ image
  • HTubbsHTubbs Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭
    From the pictures it doesn't look harshly cleaned (or do the hairlines not show up in the picture?) and I kinda like it as well.
  • stinkinlincolnstinkinlincoln Posts: 2,733 ✭
    I dont know why Im saying this, and I sorta hate saying this, but I think I like it too abit.
  • CaptainRonCaptainRon Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    I like the photography
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    I'll take that POS off your hands if/when you decide to get rid of it. In other words, I LIKE IT!!!
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    I certainly doesn't look artificially toned, and the cleaning seems pretty light.
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    Is the cleaning more obvious in hand?
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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is the cleaning more obvious in hand? >>



    Well now that I look at it under a 10x loupe (didn't have one with me when I bought the coin), it's not bad at all for a circ coin. I guess I just assumed that it was harshly cleaned. The contrast between device and field is high enough that it probably has been cleaned, but I take back the "harshly" part...

    I can't imagine these color patterns could be in any way natural though... could they? image
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  • shottakershottaker Posts: 309
    Looks more like a whitman push in style album toned coin that someone rubbed with their thumb to get some of the color off. Shame if thats the case as its quite attractive color for a circulated coin.
    More often you see the ugly yellow/brownish toning from those albums though. Would ALMOST rather see a wire brush job than that yellow color. Said almost if you missed it so no flames please.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    POS? Wow. I knew you had high standards, but THAT kind of POS I could live with!

    I like that, more than just a little bit.

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  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭


    << <i>Looks more like a whitman push in style album toned coin that someone rubbed with their thumb to get some of the color off. >>



    I agree. Long ago cleaned, then sat in an old Whitman cardboard album in a slightly damp atmosphere. Finally - someone finger rubbed it. These coins will actually come back graded from time to time.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coins aren't supposed to look like that. But, it has a uniform appearance, good detail, and it is old. And some nice color in the background. Definitely at the higher end of the POS scale image
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  • SirAnthonyACSirAnthonyAC Posts: 646
    Maybe it's me but I really don't see much, if anything wrong with that coin.

    It might have been dipped and re-toned over time, but... it looks pretty okay overall.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I see why you think it looks a little unusual, I'm not sure what to think of it either. I too like it and appreciate the "I want it even if it isn't problem free" attitude. Nice pictures too. --Jerry
  • seemyauctionseemyauction Posts: 3,655 ✭

    It was probably "Dipped" then place in an album.


    Here is one that I pulled out of an album, sure makes your POS look like a winner

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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    Based on people's comments, I'm now curious as to whether PCGS would holder the coin in a non-Genuine slab. It's not valuable enough to justify sending in (the slabbing fee and shipping would be more than the coin cost).
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  • yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    Saying it's a POS is pretty harsh for this coin. I'm thinking it's been "pickled."
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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Funny thing about this forum…start out saying a coin is a POS and by the end of the thread it’s a winner.

    Start out with winner and by the end of the thread it’s one you should have left in the dealers case.

    Get it into a XF-45 first before wondering if it will sticker. image
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  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭
    It sure looks attractive in a photo!
  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Get it into a XF-45 first before wondering if it will sticker. image >>



    The sticker comment was a joke, if you couldn't tell. My assumption all along has been that this coin will not holder.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's not all that bad........nice picture.
  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    I kinda like it image
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe if it were in a Genuine holder it would sticker.
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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    I tossed it into a submission to fill up a form.

    PCGS thought the color is real. Grade just posted: VF35. I personally think it's an XF, but I'm not going to quibble. The overall aesthetic is more important than the technical grade on this one IMO.
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  • phehpheh Posts: 1,588 ✭


    << <i>I tossed it into a submission to fill up a form.

    PCGS thought the color is real. Grade just posted: VF35. I personally think it's an XF, but I'm not going to quibble. The overall aesthetic is more important than the technical grade on this one IMO. >>



    I think it is an XF too. I agree with them on the color (like I said earlier) and my guess is they knocked you down a peg because of the prior light cleaning and more recent finger rub, deservedly really. That coin would still flip for XF40 money (if not 45) no problem IMHO. Which is another reason I suspect they were perfectly comfortable knocking the coin down a grade level.

    But I'm not the grader or PCGS - so what the hell do I know? Grats on the coin holdered or raw. I far prefer that type of toning to the neon bullseye that almost always looks artificial to me (even if it isn't).
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    VF35 is murder for that coin. It looks choice XF.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>VF35 is murder for that coin. It looks choice XF. >>



    Maybe it was silently net graded.

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow... glad it got holdered in a non-genuine slab...


    ...now send it to CAC to get your gold sticker and you're in business...

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>VF35 is murder for that coin. It looks choice XF. >>



    Maybe it was silently net graded. >>



    or they actually decided to grade to the standard that was used
    20+ years ago. vf35 actually used to have some luster left. xf45 used
    to actually have a LOT of luster left.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a cleaned, artificially-toned POS... but I like it!

    One man's POS is another man's treasure.

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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I tossed it into a submission to fill up a form.

    PCGS thought the color is real. Grade just posted: VF35. I personally think it's an XF, but I'm not going to quibble. The overall aesthetic is more important than the technical grade on this one IMO. >>



    Wow!!! I would feel like I just "won the lottery" so-to-speak if I were you based on the fact that PCGS didn't throw that coin into a "Genuine" holder. I do like the coin very much.
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