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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "..Next thing you know the kid's rabbit is being fricasseed on the stove..."

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    Having had more than my share of bunny soup, I know that
    ladies can go street-rat-crazy, BUT the subject chick just does
    not fit the profile.

    Unless she went "insane," there was NO reason to X herself
    out. Even if she murdered SM, she likely could have waltzed
    out of it with the right legal help.

    Because public opinion is shifting toward "he got what he deserved,"
    it is going to be just too easy for the cops to go with the "obvious."

    Why should us regular folks care?

    Because if LE flubs a case involving a celeb, we can have NO confidence
    that they can deliver justice if we become crime victims.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    I don't completely agree that she doesn't fit the profile.

    I can only assume her name is of Middle Eastern origin, Iranian maybe. I haven't looked for pictures of her though, so that may be off base.

    Anyway, depending on her heritage, familial influence, religion, and circumstances surrounding their [she and Steve's] relationship, ending her own life may have been the only recourse in her eyes. That in combination with jealousy/rage can lead to the loss of more than one life.

    Obviously, this is all completely conjecture...but possible in my eyes.
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...Obviously, this is all completely conjecture...but possible in my eyes. ..."

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    ALL of the case, so far, seems to be "conjecture."
    That is what troubles me about what LE is saying
    in public. They seem to be going for the EZ slamdunk.

    While I have no doubt that some of my Iranian associates
    would kill me, I really doubt they would be "ethnically driven"
    to kill themselves afterwards.

    The 20-year old chick had a 3+ year boyfriend. She dumped
    him and took up with SM. She KNEW that murder/suicide
    was not the sole way out of the mess; if indeed it was a
    "mess."

    Her former boyfriend's myspace page is a little spooky,
    after the fact. But, maybe it should have been spooky
    before the tragedy.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
    It was Kaiser Soze.


    What about this? Was this the dead girl?

    Woman Threatens McNair In Restaurant
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It was Kaiser Soze.


    What about this? Was this the dead girl?

    Woman Threatens McNair In Restaurant >>




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    Doubtful.

    The deceased would not likely, by most observers, be simply reported as "white."
    She also looks more like a teenager than a "woman in her 20s."

    The roofie story is either made up, or it is another of SM's situations.

    ........

    There is simply tooooooooooo much smoke around the perimeter
    of this thing to allow the cops to sweep it away with an easy story.

    They MUST keep it open, until they have looked at ALL of the stories.





    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    I guess childhood idols just aren't what they used to be.




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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess childhood idols just aren't what they used to be. >>



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    I am pretty sure that he was all of the good things that his fans
    believed him to be.

    That there was more to his private life than most folks are
    comfortable with, does not take away from the charitable
    things he did.

    ........

    Monogamy is a bit unnatural - except for birds - and is not even
    prized in some cultures. Maybe our societal views of fidelity are
    wrong, but we ALL - even famous folks - must accept that we
    will be "judged" based on those views.

    Also, nobody knows what the relationship was between SM and
    his spouse. Maybe they had an "understanding" that makes any
    "moral" judgement from the outside redundant.

    SM's conduct hardly points to somebody who was "sneaking around."
    The ill-fated relationship was not really much of a secret.

    .............

    Tab-blogs now say SM and his spouse were in the final lap of
    their divorce negotiations.



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  • BPorter26BPorter26 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a shame. He was one of the good guys. I really hope the NFL will do something to honor McNair this season.
    "EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE ON THE WALL" - JACKIE MOON
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I guess childhood idols just aren't what they used to be. >>



    /////////////////////////////

    I am pretty sure that he was all of the good things that his fans
    believed him to be.

    That there was more to his private life than most folks are
    comfortable with, does not take away from the charitable
    things he did.

    ........

    Monogamy is a bit unnatural - except for birds - and is not even
    prized in some cultures. Maybe our societal views of fidelity are
    wrong, but we ALL - even famous folks - must accept that we
    will be "judged" based on those views.

    Also, nobody knows what the relationship was between SM and
    his spouse. Maybe they had an "understanding" that makes any
    "moral" judgement from the outside redundant.

    SM's conduct hardly points to somebody who was "sneaking around."
    The ill-fated relationship was not really much of a secret.

    .............

    Tab-blogs now say SM and his spouse were in the final lap of
    their divorce negotiations. >>



    In regards to the relationship--more has developed today----what a shock...
    Let's start with what we do know--a condo owned by SM and friend where he was found deceased// 3 nights before in a vehicle "owned" by SM and other "deceased". Friends at place of employment stated she was a touting a "new" boyfriend". This is not rocket science. Steve McNair did not deserve to die for whatever the reason. What i don't like is when people try to justify infidelity by saying "he was a charitable guy" and "tough football player". I have yet to see any comments by anyone so far about what a great father and husband he was. I'm just waiting to see how long it will take the NFL to honor SM for all the wrong reasons in the 2010 season. This story will drop from sight just like Alex Rodriguez and Madonna.
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Doubtful.

    The deceased would not likely, by most observers, be simply reported as "white."
    She also looks more like a teenager than a "woman in her 20s."

    The roofie story is either made up, or it is another of SM's situations.

    >>




    There would be no mistake in someone saying that this girl is white. Not all people of Middle Eastern descent have olive skin.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,061 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tenn. police rule ex-QB McNair's death a homicide

    McNair Found Shot To Death WJZ 13 Baltimore By TERESA M. WALKER, AP Sports Writer Teresa M. Walker, Ap Sports Writer –
    15 mins ago

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Shot twice in the head and two more times in the chest, former NFL quarterback Steve McNair was the victim of a homicide, police declared Sunday. But authorities wouldn't say it was a murder-suicide — even with his 20-year-old girlfriend dead at his feet from a single bullet.

    McNair had been dating Saleh Kazemi for several months, and Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron said Sunday that a semiautomatic pistol was found under her body. She was shot in the head.

    McNair, who was married with four sons, had a permit to carry a handgun in Tennessee, and he was arrested once before with a 9mm weapon although charges in the case were dropped. Police said they had not yet determined who owned the gun found at the scene.

    Investigators weren't looking for a suspect but were questioning friends of the couple as well as Kazemi's ex-boyfriend. They were also waiting for results of drug and other laboratory tests before deciding whether McNair was killed in a lovers' quarrel.

    "That's a very important part of the investigation as we work to ultimately classify Miss Kazemi's death," Aaron said.

    The details surfacing after McNair's death stand in stark contrast to the public persona he enjoyed during his career.

    McNair repeatedly played through serious injuries and pain to win, though he came up a yard short of forcing overtime on the Tennessee Titans' famous drive that came a yard short of forcing overtime in the 2000 Super Bowl.

    Generous, he frequently took part in charity work for both the Titans and later the Baltimore Ravens after a 2006 trade. McNair even helped load donated food, water and clothes onto tractor-trailers that he had arranged for Hurricane Katrina victims, and paid for three football camps for children himself this year.

    McNair and Kazemi were found dead at a Nashville condominium — which overlooks the Titans stadium — that he rented with his friend Wayne Neeley. Police believe both died early Saturday. Neeley found the bodies hours later, and called a friend, Robert Gaddy, who played at Alcorn State with McNair. Gaddy dialed 911.

    "People have certain things that they do in life," Gaddy said. "We don't need to look on the situation at this time (but) on the fact we just lost a great member of society."

    The quarterback's agent, Bus Cook, said he had never heard Kazemi's name until news of the shooting broke Saturday. What McNair's wife knew wasn't clear Sunday. Cook said Mechelle McNair was "in and out of it." He said she had no comment after the police called his death a homicide.

    "It doesn't make any sense. I don't know what to say," Cook said.

    Mechelle was "very upset, very distraught" Sunday, Cook said. She was preparing to finish funeral arrangements Monday.

    McNair split his time between Nashville and his farm in Mount Olive, Miss. He recently opened a restaurant near Tennessee State University that was aimed at serving healthy, affordable food to college students.

    McNair was also seen so often at Kazemi's apartment that a neighbor thought he lived there.

    McNair met Kazemi when his family ate often at the Dave & Buster's restaurant she worked at as a server, and the two began dating in a relationship that included a vacation with parasailing. Photos posted on TMZ.com showed McNair gazing and smiling at the young Kazemi.

    "She pretty obviously got mixed up way over her head with folks," said Reagan Howard, a neighbor of Kazemi's.

    A man who answered the door at a house in the Jacksonville, Fla., suburb of Orange Park said it was the home of Kazemi's family, but said her relatives did not want to comment.

    "We don't have anything to say, please leave us alone," he said.

    The victim's sister, Soheyla Kazemi, told the Florida Times-Union in Jacksonville that the young woman had expected McNair to get a divorce. "She said they were planning to get married."

    Kazemi often was dropped off by limousine in the early morning hours and recently went from driving a Kia to a 2007 Cadillac Escalade registered to both herself and McNair. Her niece told The Tennessean that Kazemi thought McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years soon.

    Nashville courts had no record of a McNair divorce case, but a home he owned in Nashville is on the market for $3 million.

    The real estate agent declined to comment. Her online listing for property described it as a "gigantic house" of more than 14,000 square feet and photos showed a pool, home theater, baby grand piano and ornate furnishings throughout.

    McNair and Kazemi were together Thursday night when she was pulled over driving that Escalade. She was arrested on a DUI charges, and he was allowed to leave in a taxi even though he was charged with drunken driving in 2007 when his brother-in-law was stopped for DUI while driving McNair's pickup truck.

    McNair led the Titans to the 2000 Super Bowl, which they lost 23-16 to the St. Louis Rams despite his 87-yard drive in the final minute and 48 seconds. He was co-MVP of the NFL with Colts quarterback Peyton Manning in 2003.

    Manning said in a statement Sunday that he had some great battles with the quarterback.

    "Sharing the NFL MVP honor with him in 2003 was special because of what a great football player he was," Manning said. "I had the opportunity to play in a couple of Pro Bowls with him, and the time spent with him in Hawaii I'll never forget. I'll truly miss him."

    The Titans drafted Vince Young in 2006 to replace McNair, who had mentored him since he was a teenager. They never played together but did play against each other that year.

    "He was like a father to me. I hear his advice in my head with everything I do. Life will be very different without him," Young said in a statement Sunday.

    McNair grew up in Mount Olive, Miss., and became a football star at Alcorn State, the Division I-AA school in his home state as he dominated the Southwestern Athletic Conference. He became a Heisman Trophy contender as reporters flocked to little Lorman to watch the man known as "Air McNair."

    He still holds the Division I-AA (now known as Football Championship Subdivision) records for career yards passing (14,496) and total offense (16,823). McNair was drafted in 1995 by the Houston Oilers, who eventually became the Titans.

    Picked four times for the Pro Bowl, McNair finished with 31,304 yards passing and 174 touchdowns. He led both the Titans and Ravens to playoff berths, including two AFC championship game appearances with Tennessee. Injuries finally led to his retirement after the 2007 season

    Besides his wife, McNair is survived his sons Junior, Steven, Tyler and Trenton

  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...What i don't like is when people try to justify infidelity by saying "he was a charitable guy" and "tough football player". I have yet to see any comments by anyone so far about what a great father and husband he was. I'm just waiting to see how long it will take the NFL to honor SM for all the wrong reasons in the 2010 season..."

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    The "charity" and the "infidelity" are separate issues.

    If the TMZ gang is right, the public would have known about
    the pending divorce in a matter of days.

    SM was certainly not trying to hide his affair; or, he was not
    a competent "cheater." It seems TONS of folks knew about
    the situation.

    It is not harsh to say that SM turned out not to be a great
    role model in some aspects of his personal life. But, whatever
    his conduct in those matters, he remained a generous giver
    of financial help to the needy folks in and out of his community.

    Everybody is guilty of some things. Most folks try to do the best
    they can do. Sometimes, things just work out poorly. So far, I am
    not seeing a monster when I see SM. He likely made some bad
    choices, and I can certainly relate to doing that.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...There would be no mistake in someone saying that this girl is white. Not all people of Middle Eastern descent have olive skin...."

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    It is not about "mistake."

    "The deceased would not likely, by most observers, be simply reported as "white."
    She also looks more like a teenager than a "woman in her 20s."


    The para-sailing pictures are not at all representative of
    what the girl actually looked like in street clothes/nightclub
    clothes.

    I have a fair idea of how she might have been described,
    based on my experience living in the SE. Most descriptions
    would include a modifier, due to the exotic/ethnic appearance
    of the woman.

    Thus, I emphasized the word "simply."

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  • rbdjr1rbdjr1 Posts: 4,474 ✭✭
    Suicide, depression and murder seems to be common occurrences these days!

    Things need to change fast!

    Soooooooooooooooooooooooo sad! image
  • onebamafanonebamafan Posts: 1,318 ✭✭
    Just a hunch, but i am willing to bet there is a lot more to this story than we know. Murder, suicide.........................mmmmmmmmmmm. Lets see what happens.
  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just a hunch, but i am willing to bet there is a lot more to this story than we know. Murder, suicide.........................mmmmmmmmmmm. Lets see what happens. >>



    I am with you on this hunch bamafan.

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  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭✭
    McNair met Kazemi when his family ate often at the Dave & Buster's restaurant she worked at as a server, and the two began dating in a relationship that included a vacation with parasailing. Photos posted on TMZ.com showed McNair gazing and smiling at the young Kazemi.


    ???? Sounds like someone that loves his wife and kids????
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  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    Tough to picture his wife answering the kid's questions about why Daddy is (was) living with a 20 year old girl. Didn't deserve what happened to him, but being a good football player isn't helping him now.

    "Molon Labe"

  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Tough to picture his wife answering the kid's questions about why Daddy is (was) living with a 20 year old girl. Didn't deserve what happened to him, but being a good football player isn't helping him now. >>



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    I am growing cold to my original thoughts that the
    pair were killed by a third-party.

    As the bodies were inside the condo, the tow-truck
    was towing away the Escalade; a car that was titled
    in "both names."

    That car was at least the second-largest part of her identity.
    If SM came by to tell her it was being taken away, she would
    have been very angry.

    A rich guy getting a divorce does not, unless he is a total moron,
    title a car in his and his girl-friend's name.

    Did she do some fancy chat at the dealership and "buy" that car
    using SM's id/credit, without SM's knowledge?

    Did SM discover the problem when the registration papers had to
    be produced during the DUI stop?

    Why did she buy a pistola immediately after SM bailed her out
    of the DUI jail? (Or, did her boyfriend lie to cops about that buy?
    I am starting to think not.)

    ........

    Poor guy.




    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • ripkenintheminorsripkenintheminors Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭
    Jeff Fisher once again showed why people have so much respect for him. The guy certainly has a knack for saying the right thing.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Jeff Fisher once again showed why people have so much respect for him. The guy certainly has a knack for saying the right thing. >>



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    Fisher
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One more has-been athlete who couldn't handle not being a star anymore, so he has to go out with a sweet young thing to prove he's still the man... buys her a car, tells her he's leaving his wife for her... then after a while he thinks better of it, probably tells her it's over and/or he's going back to the wife, and she promptly flips out and decides "if I can't have him, no one can". Bang-Bang... end of story.

    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    The more that comes to light, I think he knew she was bad news. Actually, cheating on your wife and kids is always bad news.

    "Molon Labe"

  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    The story just keeps getting better---girlfriend finds out Steve has a "new" girlfriend. Wifey poo didn't know about any of em!!! Way to go Steve!!!
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