Not happy!!! I was buying a coin on ebay, and it was pulled just before I could do so.... )-:
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I was searching on ebay and found a coin that I needed for my Seated Half set and I was ecstatic. I refresh the page and it's still valid and then I type in all the required info etc. to buy the coin at the asking price (even though there was a "make an offer" option). As soon as I press the buy button it tells me in big red letters that this item has ended. 
I then check the ebay page and see that the seller ended the listing early because the item is no longer available for sale... What???!!!???
I then call the phone # on the ebay page and I'm told, "Sorry, I just sold the coin on the phone". Next time I'm going to simply have to type a lot faster I guess, but not from that seller anymore. I am really getting tired of ebay auctions ending early to sell outside of the bay.
Has anyone else dealt with this sort of dissappointing cr
I then check the ebay page and see that the seller ended the listing early because the item is no longer available for sale... What???!!!???
I then call the phone # on the ebay page and I'm told, "Sorry, I just sold the coin on the phone". Next time I'm going to simply have to type a lot faster I guess, but not from that seller anymore. I am really getting tired of ebay auctions ending early to sell outside of the bay.
Has anyone else dealt with this sort of dissappointing cr
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I was explained that its a business and if they get an offer thats good enough for them they can save on fees such. I guess they are right as I would want the same thing. I guess sometimes it just stinks
In no way was I trying to knock on them. Ive only had the best things to say about them otherwise. its only when it gets pulled that makes me say... why did I waste my time bidding...isnt by placing it on ebay you are AGREEING to SELL it to the highest bidder?
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I never know what to do in these cases. I have some loyal buyers who have great snipe programs and usually bid up the price at the last second. They would be po'd if I pulled the coin before they had their chance.
the seller pulled it and did a BIN for someone
I think current bid was $150 and the BIN was $650 but with 2 days tu go
I asked the seller what gives - they said they needed XX and did not feel they were going to get it in auction
I really didn't need the coin , but was irritated none the less .
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I put things on my watch list and come back to them to bid later, so my bid doesn't always show. When they "end" early, I check why.....if I see it is because it was pulled by the seller, I remember it and avoid.
When I bid, and it is pulled like that, I avoid them even more.
Sellers like that are after the short term profit....hit and run....so I ignore them.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I have never been able to end an auction with 15 seconds to go. >>
I always thought that there was at least a 24 hours , can't end option. When I used to sell cards or coins on Ebay , I never ended any of my auctions early , but still understood the rules. Somehow , this clown was able to sidestep the rules.
<< <i>I am really getting tired of ebay auctions ending early to sell outside of the bay.
The exact same thing can happen with a coin listed on any website- it's not an eBay flaw.
Some of the ebay sellers are right up front, and very nice to buy from. I only wish that more ebay sellers were that way.
Now, if I see something that I'm very interested in I just either bid what I'm willing to pay or I send the seller a message telling them I'd be willing to do a buy it now/best offer if they relisted in that manner or I'll just bid if they prefer. That message will usually result in a message telling me to bid and good luck or it'll result in an offer to deal off of eBay.
Either way, i'm no longer silent and I no longer wait for a snipe when it comes to a coin I really want. Of course, I'm sure I open myself up to potentially shill bids though
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<< <i>Life's a bich, and then you die. >>
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<< <i>Life's a bich, and then you die. >>
That's original.
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BUT Id never do this on an auction with actual placed bids. That really wouldn't be ethical.
<< <i>Its a thin line sometimes what is right and what is wrong. Lots of coin dealers now run an ebay 'store' and also sell on their website. More than once...I will admit...I have contacted a vendor and proposed purchase, asked for a price to buy off ebay and pay by cashiers check. Asked for a reduced price since they would not be paying paypal and ebay final fees. Most time a discounted price can be agreed upon, the auction ended early, and we completed the transaction...just like it was a purchase off the web site. If this is right or wrong, Im not really sure. There may indeed be people with this on watch, set to put in a snipe at the last three seconds....but who am I to know that?
BUT Id never do this on an auction with actual placed bids. That really wouldn't be ethical. >>
You indeed have very good points here. I was certainly 'venting out loud' because of course nobody likes it when it happens to them.
<< <i>many many times with RLNE on ebay. Id be bidding with only whatever time left and I put in bids that should make me a winning bidder and at least 5 times the auction ended early. All times I was told the coin sold. >>
Same! Twice with RLNE!
<< <i>This listing was a BIN, and someone came first. >>
That would make a difference....sounds like there was no issue at all....you snooze you lose
ex: I have a very small business selling small animals and the such, there is a guy who prices things he has VERY high...ex2: a $750 item he prices at $5K or higher...He does this for tax reasons and uses the "non sale" to justify his loss on his taxes...is it wrong? I think it is.
<< <i>I was searching on ebay and found a coin that I needed for my Seated Half set and I was ecstatic. I refresh the page and it's still valid and then I type in all the required info etc. to buy the coin at the asking price (even though there was a "make an offer" option). As soon as I press the buy button it tells me in big red letters that this item has ended.
I then check the ebay page and see that the seller ended the listing early because the item is no longer available for sale... What???!!!???
I then call the phone # on the ebay page and I'm told, "Sorry, I just sold the coin on the phone". Next time I'm going to simply have to type a lot faster I guess, but not from that seller anymore. I am really getting tired of ebay auctions ending early to sell outside of the bay.
Has anyone else dealt with this sort of dissappointing cr
<< <i>.He does this for tax reasons and uses the "non sale" to justify his loss on his taxes...is it wrong? I think it is. >>
Ok..... 'splain to me how a "non sale" can be used to justify a loss....
You do not realize a loss until a sale is made and the +/- depends on what your original cost was (not what you thought it would sell for)
<< <i>I fail to see the problem here. This listing was a BIN, and someone came first. That the buyer wasn't on eBay isn't the problem--this could have easily been another eBay member hitting BIN a second sooner. Most replies here are talking about ending true auction listings early and selling off eBay, taking away a "promise" that the auction would be completed. That isn't what happened here. In listing the BIN, the seller agreed to sell the coin when the buyer came along. Clearly one came sooner, and the coin was sold. >>
True Jeremy, but, if someone is going to use ebay as their selling venue then keep the darn thing on ebay at least until the auction is scheduled to end.
Most sellers welcome an off-ebay purchase, particulary when Paypal can also be cut out of the picture. Buyers are realizing this and contacting sellers directly. A lot of ebay deals now take place via direct communication with the seller. Ebay will penalize sellers or buyers who use the ebay message system to conduct such business. You should always feel free to contact the seller about a coin you are interested in. Most sellers will pass on all or part of the fees savings. When you do contact seller through ebay message system always do it with a "please provide me a phone number or email adress as I have a question on this item," or something like "email me (or call me) at XXXXX as I have a question on this item."
Look for ebay to address this loss of business with some future effort to limit communication through the ebay message system.
Rising fees have driven up the cost of doing business on ebay and buyers/sellers are only responding to this.
Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.
<< <i>If everybody didn't wait to the end of the auction to snipe, I'd be willing to bet a lot of this would never happen.
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<< <i>True Jeremy, but, if someone is going to use ebay as their selling venue then keep the darn thing on ebay at least until the auction is scheduled to end.
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Many sellers list their inventory as BINs and also have it for sale on their site/shop/show. Perhaps the coin really sold a day prior and was only just taken down. There's no guarantee of foul play here, and honestly, that last argument is pretty weak. The outcome would have changed in no way if the buyer hit BIN and then paid a pre-determined other price. The fact is that the coin was listed for sale to the first person who said they'd take it, and someone came before you.
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<< <i>True Jeremy, but, if someone is going to use ebay as their selling venue then keep the darn thing on ebay at least until the auction is scheduled to end.
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Many sellers list their inventory as BINs and also have it for sale on their site/shop/show. Perhaps the coin really sold a day prior and was only just taken down. There's no guarantee of foul play here, and honestly, that last argument is pretty weak. The outcome would have changed in no way if the buyer hit BIN and then paid a pre-determined other price. The fact is that the coin was listed for sale to the first person who said they'd take it, and someone came before you. >>
10-4. May I ask for password access to your coin website and I'll advertise my coins for sale there with of course a % of the final sale going to you for hosting my sales, if it sells through your checkout on your site. I'll then sell them to the first person who calls me to buy it outside of your website and cut you out of the deal. But, thanks so much for hosting it for me and giving me great exposure to the masses. No hard feelings I'm sure.
<< <i>10-4. May I ask for password access to your coin website and I'll advertise my coins for sale there with of course a % of the final sale going to you for hosting my sales, if it sells through your checkout on your site. I'll then sell them to the first person who calls me to buy it outside of your website and cut you out of the deal. But, thanks so much for hosting it for me and giving me great exposure to the masses. No hard feelings I'm sure.
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That's why eBay charges a listing fee. I'm not debating the ethics of ending an item off eBay when except for the last press of a button, the whole transaction was on/because of eBay. You're also not making a consistent argument, rather, you're changing your argument in each reply to keep the debate going. Your initial premise was wrong:
<< <i> I refresh the page and it's still valid and then I type in all the required info etc. to buy the coin at the asking price (even though there was a "make an offer" option) >>
<< <i> I am really getting tired of ebay auctions ending early to sell outside of the bay. >>
The facts of your case and the complaint to you make do not correlate. No auction was ended early, someone simply bought the coin first. You can go to a show and by the time you see a coin, find out it sold to someone who called the dealer after seeing it on their site. Sometimes, dealers will even take a smaller profit to sell to the person of their choosing for a deal they know will go through, rather than get a bit more and risk a return. All that you know in this case is that the coin was listed, and by the time you got to it, was no longer available. You have no facts to support the wrongdoing in the manner you express it.
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<< <i>I fail to see the problem here. This listing was a BIN, and someone came first. That the buyer wasn't on eBay isn't the problem--this could have easily been another eBay member hitting BIN a second sooner. Most replies here are talking about ending true auction listings early and selling off eBay, taking away a "promise" that the auction would be completed. That isn't what happened here. In listing the BIN, the seller agreed to sell the coin when the buyer came along. Clearly one came sooner, and the coin was sold. >>
True Jeremy, but, if someone is going to use ebay as their selling venue then keep the darn thing on ebay at least until the auction is scheduled to end. >>
dizzy,
I fully disagree. I posted earlier that I share the OP frustration, and I believed that was what the OP was posting, a bit of frustration but I didn't think the intent of this post was that the seller had acted improperly. There is no contract with ebay or with ebay buyers that a coin on ebay can't be sold off ebay. I have sold perhaps a dozen coins off ebay in the past couple of months and taken them down off ebay. The problem comes when I forget to take them down and sell a coin I don't have.
I currently have the PR70 lincoln set on ebay and have two offers out off ebay. This set could come down at any moment. When a coin is for sale there is always the chance that someone will beat you to it. This becomes painfully clear when you subscribe to Mark Felds or CROs e-mail for new offerings and respond within 5 minutes only to find out you're 3rd in line for the coin.
Sure it's frustration but the spoils go to those who hesitate least. As a buyer I've learned to move very quickly when I like something. when I hesitate, I usually end up passing anyway.
And finally, you say "until the auction is scheduled to end". Most of my listings are "good til canceled" so that would never happen.
--Jerry
<< <i>C'est la vie! >>
Such is life and are you only back for the 4th or is this more permanent?
As eBay has prohibited me from sending prospective buyers from my eBay listings to my website, I see no reason I should feel obligated to insist that buyers who contact me directly through my website should go to eBay to buy my stuff. Fair's fair, no?
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<< <i>10-4. May I ask for password access to your coin website and I'll advertise my coins for sale there with of course a % of the final sale going to you for hosting my sales, if it sells through your checkout on your site. I'll then sell them to the first person who calls me to buy it outside of your website and cut you out of the deal. But, thanks so much for hosting it for me and giving me great exposure to the masses. No hard feelings I'm sure.
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That's why eBay charges a listing fee. I'm not debating the ethics of ending an item off eBay when except for the last press of a button, the whole transaction was on/because of eBay. You're also not making a consistent argument, rather, you're changing your argument in each reply to keep the debate going. Your initial premise was wrong:
<< <i> I refresh the page and it's still valid and then I type in all the required info etc. to buy the coin at the asking price (even though there was a "make an offer" option) >>
<< <i> I am really getting tired of ebay auctions ending early to sell outside of the bay. >>
The facts of your case and the complaint to you make do not correlate. No auction was ended early, someone simply bought the coin first. You can go to a show and by the time you see a coin, find out it sold to someone who called the dealer after seeing it on their site. Sometimes, dealers will even take a smaller profit to sell to the person of their choosing for a deal they know will go through, rather than get a bit more and risk a return. All that you know in this case is that the coin was listed, and by the time you got to it, was no longer available. You have no facts to support the wrongdoing in the manner you express it. >>
Jeremy,
You can slice the moldy cheese in any way shape or form, but it will still stink.
P.S. Access to your web page please, I'm ready to do some listing.
<< <i>You can slice the moldy cheese in any way shape or form, but it will still stink. >>
Just because you didn't get to buy a coin you wanted, when somebody else was there first? When he was talking to the guy on the phone, how was the dealer supposed to know you wanted to buy it? ESP? How long is a dealer expected to hold onto a coin when he has an interested buyer in front of him, just so he doesn't upset somebody else who might come along later and want to buy it, too?
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<< <i>You can slice the moldy cheese in any way shape or form, but it will still stink. >>
Just because you didn't get to buy a coin you wanted, when somebody else was there first? When he was talking to the guy on the phone, how was the dealer supposed to know you wanted to buy it? ESP? How long is a dealer expected to hold onto a coin when he has an interested buyer in front of him, just so he doesn't upset somebody else who might come along later and want to buy it, too? >>
If it's listed on a third party hosting site for an agreed determined amount of time, then yes. I'm not quite sure what is so confusing about this. Of course someone else was there first, oh well, but it should have sold on EBAY where it was listed or at least it should have gone through the duration of the listing. Not ethical rocket science, I don't think.
<< <i>If it's listed on a third party hosting site for an agreed determined amount of time, then yes. I'm not quite sure what is so confusing about this. Of course someone else was there first, oh well, but it should have sold on EBAY where it was listed or at least it should have gone through the duration of the listing. Not ethical rocket science, I don't think.
The agreed time for a listing to stay on eBay as a BIN is until it is sold. If eBay didn't think there was a reason sellers might not have an item while it's listed, they wouldn't let you cancel an item because "it is no longer available."
Suppose I have a coin listed as a BIN. I've paid eBay a listing fee, and have agreed to pay them a final fee if they bring me a buyer. I then have the coin at a show or listed on my website. Someone contacts me through either of those venues and says they are interested in purchasing the coin. Am I supposed to say no and they should go to eBay so eBay gets a fee? The final value fee on eBay is designed to reward eBay for bringing me a sale. In this case, eBay did not bring me a sale. Perhaps I got advertising for myself while the listing was up, and for that, I paid a listing fee. eBay is due a final value fee when their service results in my receiving business. Thus, they prohibit soliciting sales off eBay through their system to thwart fees. When an item is listed for a fixed price, I fail to see why it must only be sold when eBay says it's done, either because time is up or someone hit the BIN.
Your claims for how businesses should be run are preposterous. Why would any business either delay a sale or direct their customers to a venue such that more fees that are unwarranted be added to the sale? If the item was ended because someone emailed THROUGH eBay to BIN and avoid the fees, then there's an ethical problem. But you have no such proof that this happened.
<< <i>Of course someone else was there first, oh well, but it should have sold on EBAY where it was listed or at least it should have gone through the duration of the listing. Not ethical rocket science, I don't think.
I'm not sure why you think it's an ethical issue to offer a coin for sale in more than one place at a time. And as far as ending eBay listings early, these are reasons eBay says you can:
The item is lost, broken, or otherwise no longer available for sale.
"Sold to another buyer" certainly fits the "no longer available for sale" category, I'd think.
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<< <i>If it's listed on a third party hosting site for an agreed determined amount of time, then yes. I'm not quite sure what is so confusing about this. Of course someone else was there first, oh well, but it should have sold on EBAY where it was listed or at least it should have gone through the duration of the listing. Not ethical rocket science, I don't think.
The agreed time for a listing to stay on eBay as a BIN is until it is sold. If eBay didn't think there was a reason sellers might not have an item while it's listed, they wouldn't let you cancel an item because "it is no longer available."
Suppose I have a coin listed as a BIN. I've paid eBay a listing fee, and have agreed to pay them a final fee if they bring me a buyer. I then have the coin at a show or listed on my website. Someone contacts me through either of those venues and says they are interested in purchasing the coin. Am I supposed to say no and they should go to eBay so eBay gets a fee? The final value fee on eBay is designed to reward eBay for bringing me a sale. In this case, eBay did not bring me a sale. Perhaps I got advertising for myself while the listing was up, and for that, I paid a listing fee. eBay is due a final value fee when their service results in my receiving business. Thus, they prohibit soliciting sales off eBay through their system to thwart fees. When an item is listed for a fixed price, I fail to see why it must only be sold when eBay says it's done, either because time is up or someone hit the BIN.
Your claims for how businesses should be run are preposterous. Why would any business either delay a sale or direct their customers to a venue such that more fees that are unwarranted be added to the sale? If the item was ended because someone emailed THROUGH eBay to BIN and avoid the fees, then there's an ethical problem. But you have no such proof that this happened. >>
Don't forget....
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<< <i>If it's listed on a third party hosting site for an agreed determined amount of time, then yes. I'm not quite sure what is so confusing about this. Of course someone else was there first, oh well, but it should have sold on EBAY where it was listed or at least it should have gone through the duration of the listing. Not ethical rocket science, I don't think.
The agreed time for a listing to stay on eBay as a BIN is until it is sold. If eBay didn't think there was a reason sellers might not have an item while it's listed, they wouldn't let you cancel an item because "it is no longer available."
Suppose I have a coin listed as a BIN. I've paid eBay a listing fee, and have agreed to pay them a final fee if they bring me a buyer. I then have the coin at a show or listed on my website. Someone contacts me through either of those venues and says they are interested in purchasing the coin. Am I supposed to say no and they should go to eBay so eBay gets a fee? The final value fee on eBay is designed to reward eBay for bringing me a sale. In this case, eBay did not bring me a sale. Perhaps I got advertising for myself while the listing was up, and for that, I paid a listing fee. eBay is due a final value fee when their service results in my receiving business. Thus, they prohibit soliciting sales off eBay through their system to thwart fees. When an item is listed for a fixed price, I fail to see why it must only be sold when eBay says it's done, either because time is up or someone hit the BIN.
Your claims for how businesses should be run are preposterous. Why would any business either delay a sale or direct their customers to a venue such that more fees that are unwarranted be added to the sale? If the item was ended because someone emailed THROUGH eBay to BIN and avoid the fees, then there's an ethical problem. But you have no such proof that this happened. >>
Don't forget....
In all seriousness Jeremy, I understand what you're saying and I understand that when someone is running a business that they must jump at whatever opportunities come their way to make a sale. I just don't personally like this overall format and method of doing so and it just seems as though it can be construed as a tad shady. JMHO of course, and to each his own.
<< <i>Would you have found it shady if you had called the dealer to buy the coin and had him tell you to go through eBay, only to find that in the meantime, someone else bought it? >>
That's a good question, so please allow me to elaborate as to how I believe the scenario was. This might or might not change some opinions on this particular situation....
I believe the coin was just recently listed on ebay like within an hour or so, new to the market. I do not believe the seller has a separate website so I don't see any other way it could have been advertised. The seller's phone # is listed so I came to the conclusion that another collector saw the coin on ebay, saw the phone #, called the dealer and worked out a better deal to save on the Paypal and/or ebay final value fees. Now, this is all conjecture but assuming this is the case, do you feel this is the proper way of utilizing ebay as a venue for selling coins? Perhaps the buyer and seller does, but I seriously doubt that the venue host would???