<< <i>That Mantle would have been better off in a 9 OC holder IMO.
Steve >>
yeah, you're probably right. I've been getting away from qualifiers as it seems sets and cards with no qualifiers do better. Would you rather have a 9 OC card or a straight 7, or does it depend on the card?
<< <i>Tommy why did you sell the set thru Ebay UK?
Steve >>
I didn't, but when I checked goofbay ( I had no idea what that was) I looked at my bidder/seller history and found the link which was no longer available in the search history on ebay. So, rather than going through my feedback and sifting through 65 feedbacks from 4SC and a lot of others I just copied the link from there.
didn't, but when I checked goofbay ( I had no idea what that was) I looked at my bidder/seller history and found the link which was no longer available in the search history on ebay. So, rather than going through my feedback and sifting through 65 feedbacks from 4SC and a lot of others I just copied the link from there.
Couldn't you have just copied the link from the buyer?
<< <i>You may be too far into this now, but I think your set would do better at auction if most of the key cards are well centered. Even a well centered Mantle psa 6 would generate more interest for the set imo than an off-center 7. Most buyers know that off centered cards sell for below average prices, and just their presentation can be a turnoff.
VCP shows that the price you paid for the Mantle (excluding the discount) was close to normal when you take into account that it was off-center both ways. The lowest price before that was $202 with several 7's selling in the $230 range.
If you can find nicely centered key cards that *don't* sell for a premium (occasionally, that happens), those pay off the most imo even if you're paying close to the VCP average. >>
VCP average for the PSA 7 Mantle is $280 and the low is $230. And yes, I agree that the one I bought is relatively low end and off center more than most, but I've found that buyers of the sets I sold pay more attention to grades than appearance of individual cards, even Mantles. So in that regard, it was better for me to buy a low end 7 with no qualifier than to buy a high end 6 for the same price. >>
You can't just go by the summary. If you click on the link, you'll see that the lowest price was actually $202.50, but more importantly you'll see that only 5 of the 25 examples went for more than the prior average of $280. Their averages can be very skewed.
I used to sell big lots on ebay, and the best way to get people get bidding was to have at least a few cards that create a buzz, and creating the right mix of premium and ordinary. When people buy sets, the first cards they check out are the key cards, and you know what they say about first impressions. You might still make money with lower end star cards, but the sets that really cook are the ones where at least some of the key cards present well.
Look guys, when you pay $80k a year in taxes what's a mere $2,000 bet!? Some of us poor people bet lunch (at a cheap place) and Vette bets $2,000. >>
Larry, I'm gonna keep our PM's quiet to respect you, but why are you jabbing me when I thought we were cool now? And yes $2000 is a handsome bet, but it's not the end of the world if I lose it.
You can't just go by the summary. If you click on the link, you'll see that the lowest price was actually $202.50, but more importantly you'll see that only 5 of the 25 examples went for more than the prior average of $280. Their averages can be very skewed.
I used to sell big lots on ebay, and the best way to get people get bidding was to have at least a few cards that create a buzz, and creating the right mix of premium and ordinary. When people buy sets, the first cards they check out are the key cards, and you know what they say about first impressions. You might still make money with lower end star cards, but the sets that really cook are the ones where at least some of the key cards present well. >>
thanks for your input. I'm sure a bunch of different formulas work for different sets with different amount of graded, raw, etc....I'm only speaking for the sets I've built and sold and the methods I've used. A seller can always spruce up their listing with high resolution pictures and scans to enhance the sell without being dishonest. That being said, a lot of it has to do with pure luck. If two buyers are looking for the same item at the time you happen to list that item then they might get into a bidding war and pay crazy money for stuff. I just try to buy stuff that has done well for me in the past and that I have little risk in losing any money on. While the primary reason I build the sets is because it gives me something to do in the office, I also hate losing money at anything. I'll probably build a nice '69 set for my collection as I did with the '64 but I'm not sure this is it. The Mantle will definitely not go into my collection. Also, do you guys think I should send the Mantle in and ask for a 9 (OC) regrade? Will they even do that?
Edit to say that I'm not trying to step on anyones toes and I know I haven't been doing this as long as most of you. I simply asked what condition people would rate the set and I end up getting flamed for stating I thought the set would brink at least 3K.
Larry, I'm gonna keep our PM's quiet to respect you, but why are you jabbing me when I thought we were cool now? And yes $2000 is a handsome bet, but it's not the end of the world if I lose it.
We are cool. I am just messing with you. I think once a person states that they pay $80k in tax that it's ok to jab them with an occasional money comment.
In my little world $2,000 is a lot to bet... but I am not a gambler.
<< <i>Larry, I'm gonna keep our PM's quiet to respect you, but why are you jabbing me when I thought we were cool now? And yes $2000 is a handsome bet, but it's not the end of the world if I lose it.
We are cool. I am just messing with you. I think once a person states that they pay $80k in tax that it's ok to jab them with an occasional money comment.
In my little world $2,000 is a lot to bet... but I am not a gambler. >>
yeah, but if you were then it wouldn't be the end of the world to lose it. Also, I'm fine with the jabs as long as I know you are just ribbing me, which I expect to get due to some of the comments I've made.
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<< <i>That Mantle would have been better off in a 9 OC holder IMO.
Steve >>
yeah, you're probably right. I've been getting away from qualifiers as it seems sets and cards with no qualifiers do better. Would you rather have a 9 OC card or a straight 7, or does it depend on the card?
<< <i>Tommy why did you sell the set thru Ebay UK?
Steve >>
I didn't, but when I checked goofbay ( I had no idea what that was) I looked at my bidder/seller history and found the link which was no longer available in the search history on ebay. So, rather than going through my feedback and sifting through 65 feedbacks from 4SC and a lot of others I just copied the link from there.
Look guys, when you pay $80k a year in taxes what's a mere $2,000 bet!? Some of us poor people bet lunch (at a cheap place) and Vette bets $2,000.
Depends on the card and the amount of OC.
For that card I'd have preferred it in a 9 OC holder.
If the centering was 50/50 side to side and OC T/B I might say straight 7.
High value cards IMO are better off not net graded.
So my answer is depends on the card.
Steve
Couldn't you have just copied the link from the buyer?
Steve
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<< <i>You may be too far into this now, but I think your set would do better at auction if most of the key cards are well centered. Even a well centered Mantle psa 6 would generate more interest for the set imo than an off-center 7. Most buyers know that off centered cards sell for below average prices, and just their presentation can be a turnoff.
VCP shows that the price you paid for the Mantle (excluding the discount) was close to normal when you take into account that it was off-center both ways. The lowest price before that was $202 with several 7's selling in the $230 range.
If you can find nicely centered key cards that *don't* sell for a premium (occasionally, that happens), those pay off the most imo even if you're paying close to the VCP average. >>
VCP average for the PSA 7 Mantle is $280 and the low is $230. And yes, I agree that the one I bought is relatively low end and off center more than most, but I've found that buyers of the sets I sold pay more attention to grades than appearance of individual cards, even Mantles. So in that regard, it was better for me to buy a low end 7 with no qualifier than to buy a high end 6 for the same price. >>
You can't just go by the summary. If you click on the link, you'll see that the lowest price was actually $202.50, but more importantly you'll see that only 5 of the 25 examples went for more than the prior average of $280. Their averages can be very skewed.
I used to sell big lots on ebay, and the best way to get people get bidding was to have at least a few cards that create a buzz, and creating the right mix of premium and ordinary. When people buy sets, the first cards they check out are the key cards, and you know what they say about first impressions. You might still make money with lower end star cards, but the sets that really cook are the ones where at least some of the key cards present well.
<< <i>Steve, to some it is.
Look guys, when you pay $80k a year in taxes what's a mere $2,000 bet!? Some of us poor people bet lunch (at a cheap place) and Vette bets $2,000. >>
Larry, I'm gonna keep our PM's quiet to respect you, but why are you jabbing me when I thought we were cool now? And yes $2000 is a handsome bet, but it's not the end of the world if I lose it.
You can't just go by the summary. If you click on the link, you'll see that the lowest price was actually $202.50, but more importantly you'll see that only 5 of the 25 examples went for more than the prior average of $280. Their averages can be very skewed.
I used to sell big lots on ebay, and the best way to get people get bidding was to have at least a few cards that create a buzz, and creating the right mix of premium and ordinary. When people buy sets, the first cards they check out are the key cards, and you know what they say about first impressions. You might still make money with lower end star cards, but the sets that really cook are the ones where at least some of the key cards present well. >>
thanks for your input. I'm sure a bunch of different formulas work for different sets with different amount of graded, raw, etc....I'm only speaking for the sets I've built and sold and the methods I've used. A seller can always spruce up their listing with high resolution pictures and scans to enhance the sell without being dishonest. That being said, a lot of it has to do with pure luck. If two buyers are looking for the same item at the time you happen to list that item then they might get into a bidding war and pay crazy money for stuff. I just try to buy stuff that has done well for me in the past and that I have little risk in losing any money on. While the primary reason I build the sets is because it gives me something to do in the office, I also hate losing money at anything. I'll probably build a nice '69 set for my collection as I did with the '64 but I'm not sure this is it. The Mantle will definitely not go into my collection. Also, do you guys think I should send the Mantle in and ask for a 9 (OC) regrade? Will they even do that?
Edit to say that I'm not trying to step on anyones toes and I know I haven't been doing this as long as most of you. I simply asked what condition people would rate the set and I end up getting flamed for stating I thought the set would brink at least 3K.
We are cool. I am just messing with you. I think once a person states that they pay $80k in tax that it's ok to jab them with an occasional money comment.
In my little world $2,000 is a lot to bet... but I am not a gambler.
<< <i>Larry, I'm gonna keep our PM's quiet to respect you, but why are you jabbing me when I thought we were cool now? And yes $2000 is a handsome bet, but it's not the end of the world if I lose it.
We are cool. I am just messing with you. I think once a person states that they pay $80k in tax that it's ok to jab them with an occasional money comment.
In my little world $2,000 is a lot to bet... but I am not a gambler. >>
yeah, but if you were then it wouldn't be the end of the world to lose it. Also, I'm fine with the jabs as long as I know you are just ribbing me, which I expect to get due to some of the comments I've made.
Vette- I will preface all jabs with a disclaimer that it is such.
Steve
<< <i>Gambling is wrong and immoral and you're all going to hell. >>
$2000 bet in this thread hucklebuck...
I want to get in on this action so that if i win i can go to the hardrock and have fun for .06 seconds.
Steve
there is always bluffing....
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i would do what steve said, finish set then sell.
great set w/ many raw & graded collectors out there on e-bay hustling to win auctions.
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