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DO NOT BUY THIS CARD! .... Seller needs Your help!
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I DO NOT HAVE THIS CARD, SO DONT DO IT!!
Yeah ok.
What does a PSA 6 mantle go for?
15k right? So what exactly did this guy expect? He was going to get a 15k card for 5500.00?
I feel sorry for him I really do, but at the same time people need to step back and not let greed overtake them.
No help from me, sorry, I have my own problems.
Can he even use ebay like he is?
Steve
scamsters' listings do. EBAY don't like dat stuff.
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I wonder if the buyer thought $5500 was a little low for that card.
#19 All Time 500 Goal Scorers
#41 All Time 3000 Strikeouts Club
#25 Cal Ripken Jr. Basic Topps
#4 Greg Maddux Basic Topps
#7 Ryne Sandberg Basic Topps
#1 Fank Thomas Rookies 100%
#1 Chipper Jones Rookies 100%
The bottom line is he sent someone he does not know from adam 5500.00 dollars thinking he was going to get a 15-20k card!
I feel sorry for him.....
I also think he was an idiot.
Steve
I've make several auctions that were a warning, like this one. So far I've been lucky or whatever and they usually pulled them the last few hours of the auction.
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The card looks familiar. There may have been a thread about it
here, back in January.
PayPal and/or a credit card issuer should have stood by the deal
on a SNAD claim.
I am doing this for all the hard working, honest people out there who are quite frankly sick off getting ripped off.
I wonder if he would be doing 'this' had he not been 'ripped off'?
Steve
I DO NOT have the card but trying to bring justice here, PLEASE READ.
This card may be familiar to several of you and I am attempting to bring these people together that had been ripped off on this 1952 Mickey Mantle Rookie that was graded a PSA 6 and serial # 07045922. I did attach a picture below of the exact card that I was taken for in the amount of $5500 back in January. I have plenty of information on this guy, been to the FBI, been in contact with the Houston Police and Local Police, been in contact with multiple Banks, been in contact with PSA, been in contact with Ebay, filed several Fraud reports with the police and reported this to iC3 internet Fraud and recently been in contact with Memory Lane since I saw two auctions listed recently with this identical Serial Number. When I was buying this card back in January, it was going to go in the bank vault for my only daughter to help pay for her college in 7 years. Most of us cannot afford to lose this kind of money and what really gets under my skin is, I felt like it was taken away from her, not me.
I am doing this for all the hard working, honest people out there who are quite frankly sick off getting ripped off. Somewhere out here, someone needs to step up and fight for us. The only way we are going to get to the bottom of this is to put our claims together and get a trailing report that hopefully connects back to this individual Wade Nix or network of individuals to the FBI in order for them to open an Investigation. Obviously they see a loop in our system and are robbing people blind and nothing is getting done about it, making it from State to State to keep police and other Law Enforcement out of other Jurisdictions. Please Contact me so we can work together if you were a victim of this particular card or if you have any information that will help us put this guy behind bars. I have even considered contacting 20/20 and see if they would like to open an investigation with this ongoing scam of the 1952 Mickey Mantle card. So if anyone from 20/20 reads this, please feel free to contact me, I have plent of information and have been very organized the past several months. There is more to this story but would rather not say it here since it involves the Banks and may also involve the Air Force. I would really love to tell this story to them, every part of it....
Please do not send questions in regards to ebay or paypal helping or not, Only if you have been a Victim or can help us lead to the arrest of Wade Nix and or this Network of individuals.
If any individual chooses to hit buy it now, you will be fully responsible to pay the $25,000 and you will be shipped a piece of paper that states
I DO NOT HAVE THIS CARD, SO DONT DO IT!!
This is very serious and many hard working people are getting ripped off, thank you for taking the time and reading this!!
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Actually, some good stuff written here, however instead of wording it at the end implying a buyer would lose 25K, he shoulda stated something like "if anyone is dumb enough to buy this through PayPal, then don't worry about it, the buyer will promptly get a PayPal refund"
Unfortunately, he loses credibility with "If any individual chooses to hit buy it now, you will be fully responsible to pay the $25,000"
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Yup.
He should have gotten somebody to help him with that listing.
I hate working for free, but I also hate to see folks struggle.
and expect 10-15k in profit on the buy end.
That would put many of these scammers out of business IMO.
Steve
<< <i>I agree we should, what i also think we should do is not buy 52 Mantles from people we don't know
and expect 10-15k in profit on the buy end.
That would put many of these scammers out of business IMO.
Steve >>
This should be required reading from anyone buying a 52 Mantle on ebay.
Unfortunately thnough, ebay is still the "Wild West" with blatant and rampant lawlessness...and "tenderfoot buyers" still walking into a tough lawless town unarmed.
Unfortunately though, ebay is still the "Wild West" with blatant and rampant lawlessness...and "tenderfoot buyers" still walking into a tough lawless town unarmed. "
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A few hours on THIS site would be just about all the DD a
new person would need to be fairly well protected.
The challenge is driving folks here AND getting them to read
the old posts. I am clueless about how to accomplish that.
<< <i>"This should be required reading from anyone buying a 52 Mantle on ebay.
Unfortunately though, ebay is still the "Wild West" with blatant and rampant lawlessness...and "tenderfoot buyers" still walking into a tough lawless town unarmed. "
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A few hours on THIS site would be just about all the DD a
new person would need to be fairly well protected.
The challenge is driving folks here AND getting them to read
the old posts. I am clueless about how to accomplish that. >>
You're right Storm...this site provided invaluable information but getting it out to the masses is another story.
Those that acquire it along the way pay a tuition. This guy paid his.
Scratch him off the list of those that think they can get something for nothing.
Steve
My Registry Sets
<< <i>I do not feel sorry for the guy who bought the card for $5,500 at all. What he attempted to do is just as wrong as him getting ripped off. There is something called fair market value and any person buying and selling the card is very much aware that the item is worth around $25,000. No reasonable person would expect to be able to buy the card for $5,500. If you were given the opportunity to buy the card for $5,500 you would have to know that something is wrong and would have to assume it's stolen merchandise. If you go through with the purchase under those conditions then you're knowingly purchasing merchandise that's likely been stolen. Now maybe you're "saved" from actually receiving stolen property due to the seller not shipping you anything, or shipping you a fake slab, but the bottom line is you thought you could get away with buying a $25,000 card for $5,500. If a real card was purchased under these circumstances, and later the police got involved because the card was stolen, the person who bought the card for $5,500 would be out the card, money, and probably some good lawyer fees. >>
What if he had placed a bid of $20,000 and there were no underbidders? Is he still a bad buyer? I'm confused.
CSA equal to PSA
His BVG Rose rookie will upgrade if sent to PSA
Steve
Not sure I understand what you mean.
Are you saying what if the seller had a BIN for the card or an auction that had an opening price of 20k
and only the 'buyer' placed a bid and won the auction? If that is the case then NO I would not think he is a
bad buyer because he was at least paying market value for the item in question. I would think twice about
any buyer that buys such a card from someone on ebay that does not have sterling ebay rep.
The bottom line is that card is probably the most conned carde in the hobby and buyers need
to do a great amount of DD.
Forgive me if I misunderstood your post.
Steve
and it kicked me out as someone else owns the card. I would have asked the seller to remove it from his set before I bought it.
Any type of excuse would have set off a million red flags. I always feel sorry for people that get ripped off regardless the type
of buyer they are. I am not sure I am buying his story about how it was for his daughters College?
I don't understand the TV analogy.
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
I too see the reality of both the sophistication and the general conduct
of the buyer of the NG card. While both leave a bad taste, neither likely
bars him from claiming victimhood and trying to recover his damages.
We can decide that we have little/no sympathy for the buyer, but that
is not a legal issue UNLESS we can "prove" that the buyer thought he
was engaging in an illegal act when he paid for the card. Simply being
a greater bearer of sophistication - and believing that you are getting
"a steal" on an item - does NOT rise to criminality.
The courts, in general, will not enforce or intervene in an illegal contract.
The guy who bought the stolen TV from the shopping cart is out of luck.
A guy who buys what he thinks is a high-value item at a super discount,
but is given a box of rocks may have recourse; notwithstanding the low
price he paid.
In the instant controversy, the seemingly great level of sophistication
held by the buyer does not mean his contract partner is free to steal
from or cheat the buyer. So far, we have no "evidence" that the buyer
thought he was buying a stolen item or doing anything "illegal."
Wiki gives some fun and elementary examples of legal/illegal contracts.
A seller of playing cards can enforce his contract to sell a case of playing
cards to a known gambler, even if gambling is illegal. A card dealer at
an unlicensed gambling parlor cannot enforce his contract for wages.
Neither can the winner in an illegal card game ask the court to enforce
the payment of his proceeds.
In Bovard v. American Horse Enterprises, 247 Cal. Rptr. 340 (1988),
the California Supreme Court refused to enforce a contract for payment
of promissory notes used for the purchase of a company that manufactured
drug paraphernalia. But today, at a licensed marijuana "clinic" in the same state,
a buyer can complain to the court that he was sold oregano but charged for
marijuana
The GB Law Commission, advisors to Parliament, well explained the concepts
it, in part, successfully encouraged the government to modify and codify.
The Law Commission considers that the present rules which govern the effect of illegality on contracts and trusts are unnecessarily complex, may result in unjust decisions, and are in many respects obscure.
For example, frequent reference is made in the case law to two general rules:
(i) that no action arises from an unworthy cause; and
(ii) that where the guilt is shared, the position of the defendant is stronger.
But it is not at all clear how these two rules should be applied to the facts of a particular case.
The Law Commission’s main provisional proposal is that these technical rules should be replaced by a structured discretion. Under that discretion a court would decide whether illegality should act as a defence to normal rights and remedies, and would take into account a range of relevant factors. These factors would be:
(i) the seriousness of the illegality involved;
(ii) the knowledge and intention of the party claiming relief;
(iii) whether denying the claim would deter the illegality;
(iv) whether denying the claim would further the purpose of the rule which rendered the transaction illegal; and
(v) whether denying the claim would be proportionate to the illegality involved.
These factors reflect the policies lying behind the illegality defence and would enable the court to reach clearer and more just decisions, by more straightforward and open reasoning.
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We have ZERO "evidence" that the buyer intended to do
anything illegal.
We don't like that the buyer seemingly thought he was
being a sharpshooter, but folks whose guile or market
knowledge causes them to outsmart themselves are
NOT, legally, fair game for criminals.
We don't like the apparent EBAY business practices of the
buyer.
We see that the seller appears to be a serial criminal.
We should prolly not turn our backs on jilted consumers
simply because we "have a sense" that they MAY have
had unclean hands. Merely being a party to a screwball
transaction does not, alone, indicate complicity in an
illegal scheme.
<< <i>Can someone explain this to me. I feel terrible for the guy getting ripped off, but am I wrong, that if you pay with CC via paypal and do not recieve your item, that you can dispute the charge and not have to pay? Please enlighten me. Thanks. >>
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In general, PayPal/EBAY "Buyer Protection" - and/or
the buyer's credit card issuer - would protect the
buyer.
We don't fully know the payment details in the subject
transaction. Often, in this type of EBAY scam, the
buyer is enticed to meet with the seller and pay
by cash/check/money-order.
(EDIT: Buyer claims to have paid via cashier's check.)
The MERE offer to meet face to face is OFTEN more
than enough to put a leary buyer at ease. The offer
of "a discount for cash," is usually a slam dunk for
the thief.
A signed check to an account with sufficient funds is almost the same as cash
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I have no empathy and little sympathy for the buyer.
I have loathing for the seller that FAR outweighs my view
of the buyer.
It is NOT illegal to pay "too little" for an item.
Can I tell the difference between a seller who has not
done his DD on market values AND a seller who is trying
to con me with a low price?............. YES, I can.
But, the law is meant to protect folks who cannot protect
themselves as well and fully as I can.
Criminals who only prey on stupid and greedy folks still
leave GENUINE victims in their wake. The law and public
policy make it so.
Steve