Sosa meet A-rod, Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiroid, Tejada

lanemyer85 · June 16, 2009 6:38AM

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perkdog · June 16, 2009 6:43AM

jeffcbay · June 16, 2009 6:44AM

We, as fans, made these "monsters", by demanding the long ball. I don't fault them for doing everything in their power to make themselves hitting machines. We are to blame, so we shouldn't be so shocked to see people cheating to try to make it to the top.

digicat · June 16, 2009 6:46AM

Sosa used? What? NO WAY!

onebamafan · June 16, 2009 7:02AM

His results were in Spanish............no one could interpret the results (no speak english bit, when in trouble)

jivan · June 16, 2009 7:09AM

geez, by you pointing this out, it makes it sound like you had no clue...look at all these rookie cards and then later year cards.......whose neck and head size doubles when getting older?????look at pudge as well.. bonds, mcgwire, polmiero,,, all of them were pencil neck geeks upon breaking into majors.... the only point i wish was different was about them lying to congress.. gov't should stay out of this.. what congressman/person themselves does not lie????

mtcards · June 16, 2009 7:20AM

I may be in the minority, but honestly, do we all not do things in some way to make our job results more positive? (Yes I know it is against baseball rules). I have a bigger issue with those who lied under oath to Congress, again even though I believe Congress has enough carp to worry about other than baseball.

JackWESQ · June 16, 2009 7:27AM

I would think that cheating is bad in a vacuum. But when it comes to baseball, it appears that cheating is bad only if it enables you to put up Hall of Fame numbers. Otherwise, why don't we hold Yusaku Iriki, Jason Grimsley, Guillermo Mota, Juan Salas, Neifi Pérez, Mike Cameron and J. C. Romero, all of whom have 50 game suspensions on their records for using PEDs, with such disdain or curse these individuals at the top of our lungs? Well, the answer is obvious because they are all a bunch of nobodies. I suppose it makes sense. Who cares about an unsuccessful cheater?

/s/ JackWESQ

Nathaniel1960 · June 16, 2009 7:45AM

I will tell you this, Sosa and Big Mac saved baseball and launched it, figuratively and literally into the 21st century. I will never forget their epic home run chases. So I am willing to overlook the fact they had drugs shot in their butts.

halosfan · June 16, 2009 8:22AM

This is just idiotic. they should just disclose the entire list. Right now all that is happening is every so often so reporter outs another player -- years after the fact -- and it is all over the sports news outlets for a while. It dies down and the cycle starts again. Very tiresome.

sbtrailrider · June 16, 2009 9:21AM

My hope is that Baseball creates an amnesty date and employs stringent testing with high penalties going forward. Close the door and fix the game for today's fans and players. In track & field, cycling and swimming the penalties are year or longer (or life) suspensions. Players will still cheat w/ drugs because the payoff is huge, but getting caught will take them out of the sport.

Pigs · June 16, 2009 12:49PM

Reading all this about these guys makes me like the older players that much more. Aaron, Mays, Clemente etc. are the REAL ballplayers. These roid users are slugs and wanabees that will never touch Cooperstown with a 39 and 1/2 foot syringe.

WalterSobchak · June 16, 2009 1:04PM

Ordinarily, I would not consider a story about yet another MLB star being outed for using PED's to be remotely interesting.

However, nowadays I welcome sports news about ANYTHING other than Brett Favre coming out of retirement again with open arms. Tell me more!!

TomGshotput · June 16, 2009 1:22PM

<< In track & field, cycling and swimming the penalties are year or longer (or life) suspensions >>

Micheal Phelps got three months. And there is amnesty in baseball. Did anyone not notice that Alex Rodriguez wasn't suspended?

lanemyer85 · June 16, 2009 4:46PM

"geez, by you pointing this out, it makes it sound like you had no clue"

obviously everyone knew moron, but without proof speculation was still all circumstantial so this does make it official. HOF voters wouldn't have been rightly able to deny his accomplishments without merit...now he's officially history.

ElToroLoco · June 16, 2009 11:19PM

I have to say this is hurting baseball now. The McGwire and Sosa chase was amazing......but to have the best players on the planet years ago crucified year after year.....it makes me cringe....this list needs to be completely public....

leathtech · June 17, 2009 1:34AM

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<< In track & field, cycling and swimming the penalties are year or longer (or life) suspensions >>

Micheal Phelps got three months. And there is amnesty in baseball. Did anyone not notice that Alex Rodriguez wasn't suspended? >>

He was suspended they just called it an injury that appeared out of no where that required a few weeks off.

larryallen73 · June 17, 2009 2:04AM

I look forward to the whole list coming out one of these days. Who else is on there? What if a seemingly good guy like Pujols "sampled the stuff ONE time" but it happened to be right before the test in '03? How much is his legacy dampened? Or Jeter? Or whoever. Point is that we like to think some guys are clean but what if they were unlucky enough to try the stuff right before that test!? Does every guy on the list of 104 players NOT get into the HOF now? I am confident the whole list will come out eventually.

jayhawke · June 17, 2009 2:54AM

Can't an unnamed source just leak the entire list. This is getting old.

julen23 · June 17, 2009 6:48AM

does paul konerko really believe sosa was not juiced up?

sheesh,
i don't play pro baseball & I am pretty confident he was juiced up.

how is a-rod still playing while: barry, sammy, roger, mcgwire, brady anderson (yes, he's simply filler here) are no longer playing?

baseball cards rock, baseball kind of sucks

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bigjed · June 17, 2009 7:38AM

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<< In track & field, cycling and swimming the penalties are year or longer (or life) suspensions >>

Micheal Phelps got three months. And there is amnesty in baseball. Did anyone not notice that Alex Rodriguez wasn't suspended? >>

He was suspended they just called it an injury that appeared out of no where that required a few weeks off.

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Sort of like Michael Jordan taking two years off to play pro baseball and such only to return to basketball. I know, just a conspiracy theory regarding his gambling problem.

RonBurgundy · June 17, 2009 8:26AM

"We, as fans, made these "monsters", by demanding the long ball. I don't fault them for doing everything in their power to make themselves hitting machines. We are to blame, so we shouldn't be so shocked to see people cheating to try to make it to the top."

<SMACKS HEAD AGAINST WALL> Jeff - speak for yourself. If you want to blame yourself for these guys violating federal law (not lying to Congress, using the drugs), then lying about it, attempting to make everything look clean and pure, obliterating baseball's historic records and mucking them up forever (and don't talk to me about how guys in the 50's did this or that), and sending a message to kids that steroid use is ok, go ahead. Go ahead and blame yourself for that.

Shock? Really? To the contrary, that's the sad part of all of this, there's very little shock amongst the fans. Most are blase about it, they just don't care. Just read the posts in this thread, a lot of people want to give these guys a pass. That says a lot more about where we are as a society than the usage itself.

It's stunning to me how much people will give these criminals a pass simply because they play a game, a game that happens to be a multibillion dollar business. It's like we erase any concept of accountability, responsibility, and consequences for your actions just because these are people who play a game for their living. The fact is, if they broke the law, there ought to be consequences for it. They should not be allowed to hide behind the "it's only a game" excuse, or their union (ah yes, that old chestnut, the union, strikes again), or in Sosa's case his inability to understand English spoken by a congressman. The fact is, Sammy deserves the hoosegow along with Roger, Barry, and all of the other minions who think they can say that some trainer rubbed some cream on their butt but they didn't know what it was. C'mon now.

As far as I'm concerned, if baseball had the cojones to wipe out all of the play, all of the stats, and all of the records that took place between 1994 and whenever testing was instituted, I wouldn't care because to me Roger Maris and Hank Aaron are still the HR Kings, not a bunch of dudes who freaked themselves out so much they looked like MMA dudes in a baseball uniform.

fur72 · June 17, 2009 8:28AM

I dont what to know anyone else who is on that list.

hammered · June 17, 2009 9:11AM

Movie stars get plastic surgery to entertain us and earn more $.
Athletes use PEDs to entertain us and earn more $.
"These athletes broke the law" - who cares if the drugs were illegal - they shouldn't have been.
There has never has been one single case of a death directly attributable to steroid use.
(No, not even Alzado)
How many deaths have alcohol and tobacco directly caused?
If you want to keep them from kids, make them illegal for kids, like everything else.
We are a society of hypocrites and I am tired of the self-righteousness against these athletes. (And yes, they are athletes)
Many of you want to wipe out an entire era of baseball. Why, because the drugs gave them 7 extra homers a year?
Get over yourselves.

jcdcubs · June 17, 2009 9:20AM

I bet he hits more than 75 home runs in the prison league!

summerof68 · June 17, 2009 9:23AM

It's good to see that there are educated and objective thinking members on this board such as Ron Burgandy. His words were well thought out, all-encompassing and dead on correct.

It sort of reminds me of "The Gettysburg address". Once you've read it there's simply nothing else that needs to be said....

....except possibly that it would be an absolute travesty if any of these cheating disgraces was rewarded by making it to the Hall. Hopefully Bob Feller and others from the golden age of baseball will do their best to keep the door closed!

TomGshotput · June 17, 2009 12:22PM

I have to agree with summerof68 on this one. The war on drugs can be summed up perfectly in those four paragraphs. Drug offenders have no place in the workforce. Looking like an MMA fighter should be a firebale offense for any employee. Just because no one told the players that an honor system was in place for the first 40 years steroids were in sports does not give them the right to violate our trust

billwaltonsbeard · June 17, 2009 10:31PM

Does this mean that my brick of 90 Topps Sosa RCs aren't worth that much anymore?

fkw · June 18, 2009 10:58AM

All future Hall of Famers, and they are all great players.

They all had great years and just happened to play in the Steroid/Home Gym era! So what, it was well known by insiders and every player from 1980-2003 at all levels (HS, College, Minors, Majors)

Every Era had its advantages and disadvantages.....
........ Just like Mantle, Mays, Aaron etc. played in the "Greenies" era (meth).
......Ruth, Gehrig, Sisler, Hornsby etc. all played in the non Black, non Hispanic, non nightgame, non closer, etc. era
.....Lajoie, Cobb, Wagner, Young all played in the Coke era and as above... non Black etc.

If you want to break it down, make every era have its own all time leaders, but that would be stupid! Baseball will always evolve.

Sosa meet A-rod, Bonds, Clemens, Palmeiroid, Tejada

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