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Raw cards "pre-certified authentic by PSA." Really? NOT.

digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
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I just saw a bunch of auctions on Ebay by a seller who's advertising his raw cards as "pre-certified authentic by PSA."

I emailed him and asked him about it, and he said:

"PSA often pre-determines if cards are authentic. Getting them encapsulated and graded simply cost more. When you have thousands of cards or are looking to purchase thousands of cards, it is good to have them pre-certified if you are unsure. Auction houses and dealers do this with PSA on many raw sets."


I've never heard of this service. Anyone else?
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    Color me skeptical.

    If true, there would have to be some kind of paperwork.

    I have never seen such paperwork.

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  • StatmanStatman Posts: 597 ✭✭✭
    I believe there is some service like this - mainly used by auction houses. I thought I recall seeing it mentioned in old Mastro and/or Huggins and Scott auctions.
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358
    Never heard of it, but sounds like a possibly worthwhile service

    An auction house has a collection of 1952 Topps high numbers, PSA simply provides their opinion that they are all original and unaltered, without grading them
    Tom
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I've never heard of it.

    I would think any card that goes through the system would have a cert number.

    Maybe he is thinking of Beckett? IIRC Beckett had such a program at one time.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    PSA/DNA is doing pre certification for Legendary Auctions, but I've never heard of a similar service for raw single cards for PSA.
    Who is Rober Maris?
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I just saw a bunch of auctions on Ebay by a seller who's advertising his raw cards as "pre-certified authentic by PSA."

    I emailed him and asked him about it, and he said:

    "PSA often pre-determines if cards are authentic. Getting them encapsulated and graded simply cost more. When you have thousands of cards or are looking to purchase thousands of cards, it is good to have them pre-certified if you are unsure. Auction houses and dealers do this with PSA on many raw sets."


    I've never heard of this service. Anyone else? >>




    I bet he is referring to PSA/DNA Quick Opinion service.

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Digicat knows the difference I would think?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ElToroLocoElToroLoco Posts: 914 ✭
    I was under the impression it was done for bulk lots of autograph memorabilia....I would think it would be very easy to slip in counterfeit/altered cards if they did it with raw card lots for the general public...
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Digicat knows the difference I would think?


    Steve >>




    But the seller probably doesn't and is wording incorrectly.

    Sicne the seller said this:



    << <i>PSA often pre-determines if cards are authentic. >>



    He seems to be describing the Quick Opinion service.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    The seller has about 130 listings, and only 3 of them are for autographed cards. He sells lots of graded stuff, but the raw cards all have this "pre-certified" langauge on them. He didn't use that language in previous raw card listings though.

    The card I inquired about specifically was a raw, unsigned card.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Matt

    My point was Digicat made no reference to these auctions being for autographs, or autographed cards


    Claims they are 'raw cards'

    I guess we need more info.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    It may be possible that he used that language for the 3 auto cards and forgot to take that
    out of his raw card listings?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    The autograph listings have "ALL OUR AUTOGRAPHS HAVE BEEN AUTHENTICATED AND PRE-CERTIFIED BY PSA."

    The raw card listings have "ALL OF OUR CARDS ARE PRE-CERTIFIED AUTHENTIC BY PSA PRIOR TO OUR SELLING THEM."

    Different wording.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Never heard of that service. He may be full of crap and implemented that statement for novice/unsuspecting buyers
    to kosher his description.
  • PoppaJPoppaJ Posts: 2,818 ✭


    << <i>I just saw a bunch of auctions on Ebay by a seller who's advertising his raw cards as "pre-certified authentic by PSA."

    I emailed him and asked him about it, and he said:

    "PSA often pre-determines if cards are authentic. Getting them encapsulated and graded simply cost more. When you have thousands of cards or are looking to purchase thousands of cards, it is good to have them pre-certified if you are unsure. Auction houses and dealers do this with PSA on many raw sets."


    I've never heard of this service. Anyone else? >>



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    Hi Digi,

    For what it's worth, there is absolutely NO service of this kind available for raw cards through PSA. I called PSA concerning a pending sub of mine and added your question to Christy. She immediately told me that the service is not available for anyone including major auction houses.

    PoppaJ

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Digi, I was just wondering aloud how that guy could have made such
    a mistake. That is also why I said earlier that you would know what the guy was selling.


    IMO he is just being a weasel for lack of a better term.

    Probably a Phillies fan too.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>


    IMO he is just being a weasel for lack of a better term.

    Probably a Phillies fan too.

    Steve >>



    I concur image

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  • dioworlddioworld Posts: 140 ✭✭
    Acutally PSA/DNA has a service call quickopinion
    but it offers only on items in the auction and it's not 100% gurantee.

    QuickOpinion™ is safe and easy to use. Just fill out the submission form (click here for an example) which includes your personal information, the Auction House, the lot numbers and a description of the items you would like reviewed. After the form is complete, your request will be sent immediately to our experts and they will proceed with an online examination.

    For only $10.00 per review and within 24-36 hours, you will receive an email with PSA/DNA's opinion on whether they feel the item is "Likely Genuine" or "Likely Not Genuine."

  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Acutally PSA/DNA has a service call quickopinion >>



    PSA/DNA doesn't apply to non-autographed cards.


    I emailed the seller and mentioned that I had not heard of PSA doing pre-certification, and that "pre-certification" is not a service that I can find being offered by PSA.

    Instead of explaining himself, he simply replied with:

    "Don't buy from anyone you don't trust- including us."
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    "Don't buy from anyone you don't trust- including us."

    What a jackass image
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Acutally PSA/DNA has a service call quickopinion >>



    PSA/DNA doesn't apply to raw cards >>




    Did they change it or something?? I have used it on 3 raw ebay cards before.

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Did they change it or something?? I have used it on 3 raw ebay cards before. >>



    Sorry, I meant to say "non-autographed cards."
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
    My guess: the seller won a 1962 Topps set from Legendary / Mastro that was partially autographed, and didn't quite understand that the pre-certified bit applied to the autographed cards, not the remaining unsigned cards. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.
    Who is Rober Maris?
  • bigjacobigjaco Posts: 605
    I recently purchased where the seller claimed "mass authentication" from PSA. While the exerpt sent was actually a listing from REA the "Letter of Authenticity" was on PSA letter head. It was a photocopy for approximately 6,000 cards.

    Looks legit... thou it maybe something from REA based on some of the "hightlight" cards which appear to have been slabbed.

    Will post a scan if interested in seeing.
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Did they change it or something?? I have used it on 3 raw ebay cards before. >>



    Sorry, I meant to say "non-autographed cards." >>




    Ah...okay image

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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    Maybe PSA will chime in here.

    The answer Popa got seems correct to me.

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  • bigjacobigjaco Posts: 605
    because i'm interested in the validity...

    image
  • SportsModerator2SportsModerator2 Posts: 1,736 mod
    PSA does not offer a pre-certification on cards.

    PSA/DNA does offer a Pre-Certification on autographs. If the term is being applied to a card it would be an autographed card and the pre-certification would only apply to the autograph, not the card itself.

    The new Pre-Certification is what has replaced the old auction letter. Here is a link from the PSA/DNA home page discussing the new Pre-Certification service.
    Link


    If someone has the link to the auction please send it to me.

    Carol
  • bigjacobigjaco Posts: 605


    << <i>PSA does not offer a pre-certification on cards.

    PSA/DNA does offer a Pre-Certification on autographs. If the term is being applied to a card it would be an autographed card and the pre-certification would only apply to the autograph, not the card itself.

    The new Pre-Certification is what has replaced the old auction letter. Here is a link from the PSA/DNA home page discussing the new Pre-Certification service.
    Link


    If someone has the link to the auction please send it to me.

    Carol >>



    Thanks Carol.. thou now of course I'm nervous. image
  • SportsModerator2SportsModerator2 Posts: 1,736 mod


    << <i>

    << <i>PSA does not offer a pre-certification on cards.

    PSA/DNA does offer a Pre-Certification on autographs. If the term is being applied to a card it would be an autographed card and the pre-certification would only apply to the autograph, not the card itself.

    The new Pre-Certification is what has replaced the old auction letter. Here is a link from the PSA/DNA home page discussing the new Pre-Certification service.
    Link


    If someone has the link to the auction please send it to me.

    Carol >>



    Thanks Carol.. thou now of course I'm nervous. image >>




    You have an old style auction letter which we no longer issue to auction houses. I can't tell you if you should be nervous or not. If you purchased it yourself from the auction house you shouldn't have a reason to be nervous. People sometimes were confused with what an auction letter was and wasn't, as explained in the article, when they decided to sell the item.

    You can send it in, or see us at a show, to obtain a full authentication on the item. Since this was from 2005 the 45 day window for a discount has passed.
    The auction letter should accompany the item if you do decide to send the item in or bring it to a show.

    Carol


  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Acutally PSA/DNA has a service call quickopinion



    lol


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • SportsModerator2SportsModerator2 Posts: 1,736 mod


    << <i>Acutally PSA/DNA has a service call quickopinion

    lol
    Steve >>



    Yes we do offer Quick Opinion. Quick Opinion is a service for the buyer only and only offered on items being sold through an auction venue.
    Quick Opinion is only rendering the opinion by the scan shown. It is different from Pre-Certified.

    Quick Opinion results are not intended to be used as a selling feature.

    Carol
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Hi Carol! Will you marry me? Quick Opinion?
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi Carol! Will you marry me? Quick Opinion? >>



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  • Bottom9thBottom9th Posts: 2,695 ✭✭


    << <i>Hi Carol! Will you marry me? Quick Opinion? >>



    Be afraid, Be very afraid!
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Thanks Digi, I was just wondering aloud how that guy could have made such
    a mistake. That is also why I said earlier that you would know what the guy was selling.
    IMO he is just being a weasel for lack of a better term.
    Probably a Phillies fan too.
    Steve >>



    Don't those terms mean the same thing? LMAO!
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    Doug

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    Here you go... the seller's ebay ID is powercardparadise.

    Apparently PSA contacted him about his auctions, and he decided send me an email to let me know what he thought about me.

    Bottom line, he didn't know what he was talking about, and is angry that he got called on it.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Care to share the email?

    We could all use a laugh.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    No recent problems recorded.

    toolhaus

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    ////////////////////////////


    His subtitles and listings still have the same nonsense in them:

    listings say:

    "ALL OF OUR CARDS ARE PRE-CERTIFIED AUTHENTIC BY PSA PRIOR TO OUR SELLING THEM. "

    subtitles say"

    "ALL OUR CARDS ARE AUTHENTIC AND PRE-CERTIFIED BY PSA "


    //////////////////////////

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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    Before this little rant, the last email he sent me was the "Don't buy from anyone you don't trust- including us." email. I didn't respond to that one, as it was clear to me that he didn't want to talk about it anymore. I guess he reads the boards here, or got a call from PSA, because suddenly he got a bit more chatty.

    The email, with a few bits edited:



    << <i>"As usual, we can sell $50,000 cards with no problem to clients who understand the industry, yet we have ignorant bums like yourself making trouble for us over yardsale cards- truly amazing. The most discouraging thing about this hobby is the petty clientelle we encounter when dealing in junk cards.

    By the way, we never said it was a "service" offered on PSA's form (we can read English) nor did we say that a customer service rep would offer this service. The auction house we bought the 2 sets from told us they were pre-certified, and PSA said that meant they had looked at them and if we included an invoice of our auction house purchase, we could get them holdered for a 25% discount.

    In talking with PSA today, they indicated that it was true of the 62 set but not of the 53 set-- yes, you can call Carol back to clarify.

    Thanks for all the bull****. I'll be sure to have it removed from all my listings so ***holes like you can wonder if they are authentic or not. Like I would sell a freakin' yardsale card that was bogus when I have 3M in slabbed material. Did you happen to notice our full refund guarantee for all cards submitted to PSA?? Didn't think so." >>

    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I wonder why he has PSA graded cards yet the raw cards make the nonsense claim?

    hmmm I wonder if the raw cards would slab at PSA? He has a 53 Hal Newhouser that in 5 brings around 40-50 dollars
    and in 6 can fetch 100.00

    Must be an honest explanation..........<eyeroll>



    Steve

    Good for you.
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Must be an honest explanation..........<eyeroll> >>



    Well, he says he's got "3M" in slabbed material, so that settles it. image
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The point this clown is missing is someone new to the hobby reads his nonsense and thinks the raw card he is selling will slab at PSA.

    They very well may not. Another problem is it is just misleading and incorrect. Who cares if he has 3 m in slabbed cards? I sure as hell don't

    What I care about is auctions that are true.


    If he knows so much about PSA why then would he make such an outlandish claim?


    Steve


    Good for you.
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    I don't think Carol loves me any more. I think she is secretly seeing lawnmowerman.
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