Tim Lincecum -- MLB's Best Pitcher
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I think Lincecum is THE top pitcher in the game today. Here are a few of my reasons:
* 381 hits allowed in 461 innings
* 518 K's (and 175 walks) in those 461 innings
* Career 31 Wins and 11 Losses (for a team that's well under .500 during that time)
* Career ERA of 3.06 -- and one Cy Young Award
* He'll turn 25 later this month
Thoughts?
* 381 hits allowed in 461 innings
* 518 K's (and 175 walks) in those 461 innings
* Career 31 Wins and 11 Losses (for a team that's well under .500 during that time)
* Career ERA of 3.06 -- and one Cy Young Award
* He'll turn 25 later this month
Thoughts?
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Love to have those 4 -5 in a Mets rotation.
Steve
Either way, I think his stats are awesome considering who he plays for.
Brian
<< <i>Johan Santana and Zach Greinke are up there too, Jon Lester gets some kudos as well.
Love to have those 4 -5 in a Mets rotation. >>
Jon Lester? Granted, he has a live arm, but he has not demonstrated anything near the consistency as Halladay or Santana.
Greinke is still waiting on a verdict as he's really only started to harvest his potential since the midpoint of last season.
Based upon track record of more than one season, I'd have to lean to these guys being the ten best in baseball at this point:
Roy Halladay
Johan Santana
Tim Lincecum
C.C. Sabathia
Brandon Webb
Jake Peavy
Roy Oswalt
Dan Haren
Justin Verlander
Tie: Chris Carpenter and Josh Beckett - When healthy
Up and Comers:
Zack Greinke
Yovani Gallardo
Cole Hamels
Josh Johnson
Félix Hernández
Rick Porcello (a little early, but trust me on this one)
Edwin Jackson (after 5 years on everyone's can't miss list)
Zach Duke
Eric Bedard
Johnny Cueto
I said Jon Lester gets some kudos as well. Not that he was the best pitcher.
I based that on his 700+ winning pct over 4 years.
Steve
<< <i>Halladay in the AL and Santana in the NL for me. >>
Agreed.
Grienke has become more "human" lately (giving up 2 runs instead of 1 or zero), but still very good. Unfortunately, he has to go 9 innings to ensure a win, and he can't do that every game.
Halladay in the AL & Santana in the NL
Chad Billingsly is not in the same category as Linsecum, Greinke ect.. just yet but is working his way there IMO.
* Career 42 Wins and 47 Losses
* Career .268 Batting Ave Against
In 5 years Lincecum may be the games best, but let him get a couple of more seasons under his belt, again he plays for a crappy team, would love to see him play for a real contender.
/s/ JackWESQ
If the playoffs started today, Lincecum's team would be in it -- despite the Giants having scored the fewest runs in the entire National League.
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<< <i>Lincecum's awesome, but he's not the only pitcher who's shining in SF. Matt Cain's having a breakout season (9-1, 2.39 era) and making a serious All Star Team case this year. >>
I agree and I wanted to add the Giants have seemed to kick it up lately as they have been putting together some wins. Maybe the Giants will keep on getting stronger and then the NL West will at least have a couple of strong teams.
Brian
I hear ya -- but Matt Cain has a career record of 39 W's and 44 L's -- and I personally don't believe in "talking up" a pitcher with a career losing record. But you could be right -- maybe Cain will continue to shine for many years to come.
<< <i>I hear ya -- but Matt Cain has a career record of 39 W's and 44 L's -- and I personally don't believe in "talking up" a pitcher with a career losing record. But you could be right -- maybe Cain will continue to shine for many years to come. >>
He's still young. He's a few months younger than Tim Lincecum. Cain was drafted out of high school, and has been in the Giants starting rotation since he was 20 years old in 2005. He's been growing and developing, and the Giants organization and fans have never been disapointed by his progress.
It's nice to have 2 ace quality pitchers on our staff this year.
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Dave
<< <i>Ofcourse this thread appears AFTER he throws a complete game shutout
Halladay in the AL & Santana in the NL
Chad Billingsly is not in the same category as Linsecum, Greinke ect.. just yet but is working his way there IMO. >>
Quoting myself- I thought of this thread after he threw another complete game shutout.
Im getting sold... AL- Halladay NL - TIE!! Santana & Lincecum
<< <i>Félix Hernández, hands down. >>
Felix is really good, but he's not "hands down" good.
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Whacky Tobacky
<< <i>I think Lincecum is THE top pitcher in the game today. Here are a few of my reasons:
* 381 hits allowed in 461 innings
* 518 K's (and 175 walks) in those 461 innings
* Career 31 Wins and 11 Losses (for a team that's well under .500 during that time)
* Career ERA of 3.06 -- and one Cy Young Award
* He'll turn 25 later this month
Thoughts? >>
Gee, take Juan Guzman's first 3 seasons and HE is the greatest pitcher in MLB. Look how that one turned out.
<< <i>Gee, take Juan Guzman's first 3 seasons and HE is the greatest pitcher in MLB. Look how that one turned out. >>
Notice that the OP said "in the game today," not "of all time."
We all know how the Guzman story turned out. The Lincecum story is still unfolding.
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