Hmm, why do I think you have been patiently waiting 6 months to make that joke
Not directed to your joke above, but speaking generally....There will always be naysayers. I really think based on my own experience and feelings, is that for those of us who are indeed interested in these varieties, we are interested because we think they are significant. The sixth finger, or skeleton appearing finger on Abe's hand is an interesting minting flaw. Far more than a wavy looking extra branch on the MN quarter for example. Point being, is I find these interesting and an easy to see DDR!!!! Others yawn, or even they take an anti-stance on these coins. I just do not get it. There are a few things I am certain of, yes there are 100+ varieites attributed and many are very boring. But there are a small select that are interesting, significant, and have to me at least, the WOW factor. I also know that certain varieties, including the more prominent ones are limited in quantities. I am not smarter than anyone else really, but do have an inside scoop on them so maybe patience is key. It is not about the money, as it is a drop in the bucket of my other collectible passions, but for some reason I feel like nobody else gets it but me.
So to me, they are interesting, significant, and selectively in limited quantities for the designs that exhibit the most dramatic doubling. Yet poo poers abound. Is it an old school crowd? The '55/'95 DDR crowd that thinks that type is the worthy lincoln for one's home and the modern crap is just that? In the end, I am happy with the examples I have collected but do find that the ongoing conversation on this board does have its moments. 1000 posts, and many many other threads along the way, that I have read and also been part of says something to the interest of these coins.
<< <i> So to me, they are interesting, significant, and selectively in limited quantities for the designs that exhibit the most dramatic doubling. Yet poo poers abound. Is it an old school crowd? The '55/'95 DDR crowd that thinks that type is the worthy lincoln for one's home and the modern crap is just that? In the end, I am happy with the examples I have collected but do find that the ongoing conversation on this board does have its moments. 1000 posts, and many many other threads along the way, that I have read and also been part of says something to the interest of these coins. >>
You took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you.
<< <i>I just checked ANACS pop report and came up with numbers that include all of the different DDR's lumped into one report.
8-MS63 28-MS64 282-MS65 575=MS66 353-MS67 14-MS68
They did not separate them by individual DDR numbers that I could see. >>
Does anybody have a better breakdown? >>
Well the numbers above look correct, but they include the following coins in ANACS category "FORMATIVE YEARS DDO & DDR". So that would be an attribution of both a DDO and DDR I believe. I know the Skeleton Finger is a DDO/DDR. But there are also a couple of other DDO/DDRs as well. So if this is what I am thinking it is to begin with, not sure how pure the number is for Skeleton Finger.
Those numbers which once again are included in the totals above are:
<< <i>Don't you have one of those 006's graded in MS67? I know someone has and I thought it was you. That is the only one that I know of. I did not get any of mine graded . >>
Yup....and a MS68 (but CDDR-014/WDDR-013 with the huge die crack on the reverse).....actually got quite a few 67's of the 001/002 types
2009 LINCOLN FORMATIVE YEARS DDO & DDR 1C MSRD 219 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 54 99 63 There are 63 in MS-67, so work your way backwards to figure out the rest.
Sooooooo where are the 68's?????
edited to add....never mind...I saw the 14 listed in the post above...duh!
<< <i>3. I think Papi has it completely backwards -- there is no better market indicator than ebay. Sure, every now and then a coin will escape attention because of a timing issue or a bad listing, but a search for completed auctions gives a pretty accurate range of where things are. >>
Blah Blah Blah
IMHO; until Ebay auctions end when the bidding ends, rather than the clock running out.
I think Redbook and PCGS have to legitimize some of these coins for the coin collecting world to even realize that they exist.
This will allow collectors to pick some up while they can still be found in the rolls from the mint.
In the past,like the 55 DD, no one even found out about these coins until a few people had gotten their hands on most of them.
This is an opportunity to give more people the chance to get their hands on one of a coin collectors dream of owning an error straight from the mint without having to buy it from a second party.
Thats my one cents worth.
As highlowleafs would say, " have a great day collecting coins".
perhaps nothing can be done. perhaps these just sit in storage and gather dust. perhaps the naysayers are right and these are just a figment of our exaggeration of value. perhaps they really are just a glob
of metal and not really a double die. perhaps future generations of collectors will benefit from our shortsightedness. perhaps we should send them all back to the mint as defective and get our money back.
<< <i>perhaps nothing can be done. perhaps these just sit in storage and gather dust. perhaps the naysayers are right and these are just a figment of our exaggeration of value. perhaps they really are just a glob
of metal and not really a double die. perhaps future generations of collectors will benefit from our shortsightedness. perhaps we should send them all back to the mint as defective and get our money back. >>
Well, you wouldn't have to send them back; just spend them.
Patience and time will prevail. I stand on the side of the doubled die.
It was years before the '55 doubled die was listed in any book
That is exactly my point but in today's world it does not have to take years.
Collectors have the ability to learn about coins in a heartbeat if it were not for a few poo poo artists who want to see things held back because they don't like that particular coin or coins.
In spite of them, these coins will get recognized.
4/28 - yes, that's a surprise to not get any wddo-002's at least in that box. I never found any 001's in them.
Yes, far fewer "prime date" boxes available. Nice to see something topic-relevant in this thread again.
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It's nice to see anything of interest posted on these boards as it has been so boring I am spending most of my time playing pogo.
I only have one roll of unopened cents left. It has a WDDR 001 on both ends. I will keep it unopened at this point.
I will be away for a few weeks as I am going into the VA hospital Tuesday for a knee replacement but will return . Hopefully some things will be going on by then.
I'm still searching also for the prime dates. I haven't purchased any for awhile, but if the right deal comes around I am a buyer. Good luck to all of the "optimists" out there!
Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
<< <i>Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
et al satin finish category? >>
quite a few DDR's were found in the Satin Finish mint sets except this time, they were the Denver coins instead of the Philadelphia coins.
Premiums? My attempts at selling the sets for as little as $37.50 was a bust after selling a couple in the $40 - $60 range.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
et al satin finish category? >>
quite a few DDR's were found in the Satin Finish mint sets except this time, they were the Denver coins instead of the Philadelphia coins.
Premiums? My attempts at selling the sets for as little as $37.50 was a bust after selling a couple in the $40 - $60 range. >>
I agreee with the above and think there are around 9 DDRs classified. I would also emphasize though that there is not currently much of a premium on the satin finish DDRs for various reasons, but in my opinion, the main one is that there is not a satin finish DDR that is all that dramatic in appearance. I may sound like a broken record, but first to admit, most of these are boring. Those that care, focus on a select few DDRs that are significant in appearance and that is what I have focused on. Also, so many Mint sets will never be opened, and will be a hoard or treasure trove for searching for the DDRs if they ever gain popularity, making it easier and easier to acquire one. I personally, am not too excited about the satin finish DDRs for that reason and the snooze factor on the appearance of the DDR.
The proof set ones are another story, yes not very dramatic, but a proof is a proof, the box is not sealed (so you can open and close it with no issue) for searching, and historically, numbers for DDO/DDRs on proof coins is very low. So those are pretty cool but no skeleton finger.
<< <i>but in my opinion, the main one is that there is not a satin finish DDR that is all that dramatic in appearance. I may sound like a broken record, but first to admit, most of these are boring. >>
There's not a single person on this thread that will ever live to see a '55, '69, '72, '83, or '95 Doubled Die ever again.
How's that for WOW? Get over it already.
I'm not suppressing any "boring" opinions. I respect all opinions and postings, but exercise the right to disagree.
I'm merely pointing out the illogical logic from the poo-poo-ers. There are some historically low mintages with these. Hmmm Is the Mint making more 2009's?
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Unless you have Bionic Vision, I challenge anyone to see the detail on any Lincoln Cent without magnification.
As a matter of fact, in order to qualify for insertion in the guide, The "Cherrypicker" sets the maximum magnification at 7X.
All of the significant 2009 Formative Years DDOs & DDRs, including satins, can easily be seen with a 7X loupe.
Papi!, I am one of the strongest supporters of the 2009 FY DDRs!
But yes, many are boring. My point all along is to focus on the stronger more dramatic of the DDRs and to not get hung up on the fact that there are 100+ DDRs for the 2009 FY. We as collectors are always weeding out the best, and focusing on the most prominent, so that is only natural. To me, the satfin finish examples are not that exciting, but as you know, take a look at the regular production Philadelphia varieties and there are a few highlights and those have me excited.
<< <i>Papi!, I am one of the strongest supporters of the 2009 FY DDRs! >>
Con; my comment wasn't directed towards you. I know you've been an advocate all along. It was directed towards "boring".
Yes the DC quarter is a wow. But people ga-ga over overlapping stars on the edge of a coin. That's a wow?
I just don't see anything boring about the FY DDRs. I'm not even putting together a set, but there are at least a dozen that WOW me! >>
Yeah, I know, we are on the same page. Boring is probably my word choice for lack of a better vocabulary But regardless of what word is chosen, I do still think there are quite a few varieties that are minimal in appearance, and well, I simply do not have interest in them. But there shouldn't be any argument there, to each their own.
There are indeed a dozen or so that do WOW me too and that is what does get frustrating with me is I question why other people do not see it too!!! They are unique as a whole, with 2009 never to be repeated. You can put together some nice examples without breaking the bank, and I know from my own experience/research that singularly, each of the DDRs is in limited quantities. Many far less than people realize too.
Time will tell, if these coins can get their legs and earn some exposure over time. That I am certain; not that it will happen, but that it can.
Just letting everyone know I just picked up 3 boxes of the Mint Set Formative yr lincoln pennies... I got them for $12 each... I already opened the 4/20 box & found the following:
8 - WDDR-004 6 - WDDO-001
The other 2 boxes are dated 4/29 & was wondering if I should open them or not... Does anyone truly believes the unopened Mint boxes will ever be valuable cause they are un-opened?
By the way, John Wexler featured one of my coins in July 5th issue of Coin World... it was the one on the front upper left corner - it was the terminal die crack coin... showing MAJOR die crack running from the rim of "OF" through Lincolns Head. Cool looking coin...
I have never sent in any for grading but have over 20 different varieties... have a local dealer who were selling them for me. There were over 70 SOLD!! Most between the prices of $10 to $30. What I realized was by having the different coins showing with all the Main Doubled Die Pennies such as WDDR-001, WDDR-002, WDDR-003, WDDR-004, & WDDR-006... that the people buying the coins started buying the less doubled varieties... just letting others know what I have experienced.
Lastly, I believe there are so many different points of view concerning these type of coins... & I can see both sides BUT the truth is it will always be up to the individual interest on what THEY want. We all know the older double dies such as the famous 1955 & 1972 coins will always be special... but the newer 2009's will also have a following as they are less expensive & new people coming into the hobby will in time get interested because they will be available & priced lower... No matter what, once a year coin is done being minted... there is no more! Just my 2 cents (lincoln's)... :-)
shasta7
Those who are collecting SILVER... will be wealthy shortly!!
<< <i>The other 2 boxes are dated 4/29 & was wondering if I should open them or not... Does anyone truly believes the unopened Mint boxes will ever be valuable cause they are un-opened? >>
Well said Shasta7, thanks.
Also, great job on selling over 70 coins. Better yet, prices $10-$30. That looks like the type of multiplication I'm talking about.
That's what's great about these. The average collector can participate without breaking the bank.
As far as the 4/29; that's a definite crap shoot. They can either be loaded with DDRs, or you can get completely zonked. I've been zonked more than once on a 4/29 box.
Unopened boxes; hard to say. If 2/3 of the boxes are opened, for DDR searching, than they're equal in scarcity to the LP1; and they sell for $75-$100.
IMHO it seems silly to pay $100 for $1 worth of pennies just because of the box and the special wrapping paper.
I don't think the unopened boxes will exceed the value of the DDR contents, but who knows. A sealed 4/29 box with no DDRs is worth more than the contents. Got X-ray vision?
I am not sure I got the answer to my question earlier. Are there ddo/ddr's in the 36 coin mint set u09 and, if so, are they considered satin mint errors because of their mostly copper metallic content?
Also, if you had found any errors in these sets, would you break up the packaging and send that coin off to Anacs for attribution and grading? It seems that these cents would be a little more valuable because
of their more limited mintage numbers. Would you agree or disagree?
<< <i>could someone please address my question I posted about three or four postings prior? thanks, much appreciated...... >>
See Above, you'll find.................
<< <i>
<< <i>Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
et al satin finish category? >>
Quite a few DDR's were found in the Satin Finish mint sets except this time, they were the Denver coins instead of the Philadelphia coins.
Premiums? My attempts at selling the sets for as little as $37.50 was a bust after selling a couple in the $40 - $60 range. >>
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>I am not sure I got the answer to my question earlier. Are there ddo/ddr's in the 36 coin mint set u09 and, if so, are they considered satin mint errors because of their mostly copper metallic content?
Also, if you had found any errors in these sets, would you break up the packaging and send that coin off to Anacs for attribution and grading? It seems that these cents would be a little more valuable because
of their more limited mintage numbers. Would you agree or disagree? >>
Yes, as noted there were DDRs found in the 2009 mint sets. They are considered "satin finish" because that is the finish used by the Mint for all of the uncirculated sets since 2005. So the satin finish has nothing to do with the copper content of the coins. But yes, the 2009 Lincolns are copper in the Mint sets, vs clad in the regular production coins.
Have you been to www.varietyvista.com? It is by CONECA and they have an easy to navigate gallery of the various 2009 DDRs. Including the proofs and the satin finish DDRs.
Regarding value, or breaking it out of the package, and/or sending it to ANACS, that is all personal preference. I believe many here would rather send them to PCGS if they would wake up and start attributing these (politely said). In my opinion, if I was collecting the satin finish DDRs, or looking to sell one, I think one would lean towards the coin cut out and in a holder on its own as that would be the focus or reason of interest that person had in the set to begin with. But you hear both sides of leaving or cutting it out though. Also, you can always cut out later, but can never put back in, so it depends on what your purpose is of the coin too.
thanks Constantine....why don't the copper coins ( and any errors found ) in the 2009 sets have a different designation than "satin finish" if they're made from copper instead of zinc? Kind of confusing to me..
I only mentioned Anacs because obviously they're the only grading company that designates the errors on their slabs to date. I would prefer PCGS and NGC join the party.
<< <i>thanks Constantine....why don't the copper coins ( and any errors found ) in the 2009 sets have a different designation than "satin finish" if they're made from copper instead of zinc? Kind of confusing to me..
I only mentioned Anacs because obviously they're the only grading company that designates the errors on their slabs to date. I would prefer PCGS and NGC join the party. >>
why don't the copper coins ( and any errors found ) in the 2009 sets have a different designation than "satin finish" if they're made from copper instead of zinc? Kind of confusing to me..
Only the satin coins are copper, all the other Lincoln errors from 2009 are zinc. Hope this helps.
Thank you Lee (hope you don't mind me calling you Lee). I had the Wexler site already, but the Coneca site is nice and easy to navigate. My problem still in all of this is deciphering the difference between satin
finish zinc and satin finish copper errors and any value differences they may have. I am torn about removing any coins from the 36 coin p&d set (u09) to submit for grading and attribution. I have two coins that
I came across that I thought might be errors (not double die), but upon contacting John Wexler, I am led to believe that they probably aren't.
you can see in this image (scanned the best that I can) that there is a distinct line disecting the first 0 in the date. It runs diagonally from about two o'clock through the 0 at about seven o'clock. It is a raised line
not a scratch or a die crack. This is on the "d" mint white house coin and only two of my six sets have this feature. Again, this resides in the 36 coin u09 set. I thought I might have a new discovery....what say
you??? This is a copper cent ... is it worth sending in for further evaluation and attribution??? If I do have a new discovery, I hope I get to name it. Looking forward to reading your feedback.....
onedollar, not sure if I am following you, but to be clear...... The only satin finish 2009 lincolns are in the 2009 U.S. Mint Uncirculated sets. They are also copper in that set as well. Satin finish just means it has that satiny burnished look on the coin. It was made intentionally and only in U.S. Mint Uncirculated sets, for all denoms.
Regarding your scan, I can't really see much going on there, but after looking at so many of these cents, there are quite a few cracks, die gouges, struck throughs, or other various things that are out of the norm when minted. With your coin blown up so big and I have a hard time seeing what you are referring too, then it probably is pretty darn minor if anything.
Just look at the first zero in the date and follow from below it at about seven o'clock through the zero all the way to about two o'clock touching the inside of the zero. There is a raised line ( I know the scan is rough)
that you should be able to see. It is a solid straight line. Take another look...this is the best I can do without a real camera. What do think it is and what would cause that? I'll call it the "reverse Q effect"
the line runs from inside the zero touching at about two o'clock and runs underneath the zero out below it at seven o'clock and has like a reverse Q effect. It is definately raised but doesn't look like a foreign piece of
metal. At first I thought it was paralleling the stem of the number nine in the date, but it's not curved as much as the number nine seems to be. It's a mystery to me....hopefully someone here will know what it
My problem still in all of this is deciphering the difference between satin
finish zinc and satin finish copper errors and any value differences they may have.
There are no 2009 satin finish zinc pennies, they are all copper like in 1909. These rest of the errors are in regular circulation strikes which are zinc.
thank you coincrazy....I can sleep tonight! Oh, I forgot, I still want some opinions on my pics and if this might be considered a variety, error, strike through, or ??? Hopefully the scans and my description
are enough for the experienced eyes and voices here.....
just when you thought it was safe to go back into the forum.......this thread pops up again! Looking for opinions and comments on the pics I posted yesterday....thanks new crowd in advance.....
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<< <i>1000!!! >>
Just about the same number of DDR's found!!!
<< <i>
<< <i>1000!!! >>
Just about the same number of DDR's found!!! >>
Hmm, why do I think you have been patiently waiting 6 months to make that joke
Not directed to your joke above, but speaking generally....There will always be naysayers. I really think based on my own experience and feelings, is that for those of us who are indeed interested in these varieties, we are interested because we think they are significant. The sixth finger, or skeleton appearing finger on Abe's hand is an interesting minting flaw. Far more than a wavy looking extra branch on the MN quarter for example. Point being, is I find these interesting and an easy to see DDR!!!! Others yawn, or even they take an anti-stance on these coins. I just do not get it. There are a few things I am certain of, yes there are 100+ varieites attributed and many are very boring. But there are a small select that are interesting, significant, and have to me at least, the WOW factor. I also know that certain varieties, including the more prominent ones are limited in quantities. I am not smarter than anyone else really, but do have an inside scoop on them so maybe patience is key. It is not about the money, as it is a drop in the bucket of my other collectible passions, but for some reason I feel like nobody else gets it but me.
So to me, they are interesting, significant, and selectively in limited quantities for the designs that exhibit the most dramatic doubling. Yet poo poers abound. Is it an old school crowd? The '55/'95 DDR crowd that thinks that type is the worthy lincoln for one's home and the modern crap is just that? In the end, I am happy with the examples I have collected but do find that the ongoing conversation on this board does have its moments. 1000 posts, and many many other threads along the way, that I have read and also been part of says something to the interest of these coins.
<< <i>
So to me, they are interesting, significant, and selectively in limited quantities for the designs that exhibit the most dramatic doubling. Yet poo poers abound. Is it an old school crowd? The '55/'95 DDR crowd that thinks that type is the worthy lincoln for one's home and the modern crap is just that? In the end, I am happy with the examples I have collected but do find that the ongoing conversation on this board does have its moments. 1000 posts, and many many other threads along the way, that I have read and also been part of says something to the interest of these coins. >>
You took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you.
<< <i>I just checked ANACS pop report and came up with numbers that include all of the different DDR's lumped into one report.
8-MS63
28-MS64
282-MS65
575=MS66
353-MS67
14-MS68
They did not separate them by individual DDR numbers that I could see. >>
Does anybody have a better breakdown?
<< <i>
<< <i>I just checked ANACS pop report and came up with numbers that include all of the different DDR's lumped into one report.
8-MS63
28-MS64
282-MS65
575=MS66
353-MS67
14-MS68
They did not separate them by individual DDR numbers that I could see. >>
Does anybody have a better breakdown? >>
Well the numbers above look correct, but they include the following coins in ANACS category "FORMATIVE YEARS DDO & DDR". So that would be an attribution of both a DDO and DDR I believe. I know the Skeleton Finger is a DDO/DDR. But there are also a couple of other DDO/DDRs as well. So if this is what I am thinking it is to begin with, not sure how pure the number is for Skeleton Finger.
Those numbers which once again are included in the totals above are:
2009 LINCOLN FORMATIVE YEARS DDO & DDR 1C MSRD 219 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 54 99 63
There are 63 in MS-67, so work your way backwards to figure out the rest.
<< <i>Don't you have one of those 006's graded in MS67? I know someone has and I thought it was you. That is the only one that I know of. I did not get any of mine graded . >>
Yup....and a MS68 (but CDDR-014/WDDR-013 with the huge die crack on the reverse).....actually got quite a few 67's of the 001/002 types
There are 63 in MS-67, so work your way backwards to figure out the rest.
Sooooooo where are the 68's?????
edited to add....never mind...I saw the 14 listed in the post above...duh!
<< <i>3. I think Papi has it completely backwards -- there is no better market indicator than ebay. Sure, every now and then a coin will escape attention because of a timing issue or a bad listing, but a search for completed auctions gives a pretty accurate range of where things are. >>
Blah Blah Blah
IMHO; until Ebay auctions end when the bidding ends, rather than the clock running out.
It will always be "The Nations Garage Sale"
PCGS?
NGC?
REDBOOK?
HERITAGE?
TELETRADE?
What?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>So................what needs to happen to get these "back" into the limelight? >>
Listed in Redbook.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
I think Redbook and PCGS have to legitimize some of these coins for the coin collecting world to even realize that they exist.
This will allow collectors to pick some up while they can still be found in the rolls from the mint.
In the past,like the 55 DD, no one even found out about these coins until a few people had gotten their hands on most of them.
This is an opportunity to give more people the chance to get their hands on one of a coin collectors dream of owning an error straight from the mint without having to buy it from a second party.
Thats my one cents worth.
As highlowleafs would say, " have a great day collecting coins".
of metal and not really a double die. perhaps future generations of collectors will benefit from our shortsightedness. perhaps we should send them all back to the mint as defective and get our money back.
You too.Magoo.
They are really scaring everyone off.
<< <i>perhaps nothing can be done. perhaps these just sit in storage and gather dust. perhaps the naysayers are right and these are just a figment of our exaggeration of value. perhaps they really are just a glob
of metal and not really a double die. perhaps future generations of collectors will benefit from our shortsightedness. perhaps we should send them all back to the mint as defective and get our money back. >>
Well, you wouldn't have to send them back; just spend them.
Patience and time will prevail. I stand on the side of the doubled die.
It was years before the '55 doubled die was listed in any book
That is exactly my point but in today's world it does not have to take years.
Collectors have the ability to learn about coins in a heartbeat if it were not for a few poo poo artists who want to see things held back because they don't like that particular coin or coins.
In spite of them, these coins will get recognized.
Just have patience and keep spreading the word.
Based on past postings to this thread, I expected 001 & 002 from this date.
Apparently it's a crap-shoot no matter what date you're looking at.
I know the DDR period is 4/17-5/6, and 4/16 has the huge crack.
Opening weekend sales were 200, 055 sets, but I don't think all orders were filled with the above dates.
I wonder how many of the 4-13 thru 5/06 dates were opened; leaving how many early date DDR sets? These early dates are getting scarce on Ebay.
Yes, far fewer "prime date" boxes available. Nice to see something topic-relevant in this thread again.
It's nice to see anything of interest posted on these boards as it has been so boring I am spending most of my time playing pogo.
I only have one roll of unopened cents left. It has a WDDR 001 on both ends. I will keep it unopened at this point.
I will be away for a few weeks as I am going into the VA hospital Tuesday for a knee replacement but will return . Hopefully some things will be going on by then.
ended up with 8 wddr-2's. Fun search!
I only bought 1 box of 5-05 and 2 boxes of 4-28 and got
a total of 15 DDR's and I am keeping one box of 4-28 sealed.
Down the road there may be a premium for sealed boxes with that date
Time will tell. I'm hanging on to mine. I'm still buying prime dates; I bought 7 this month so far.
They, prime dates, are getting harder and harder to find.
I would be buying if I could afford it but I am retired now so I will just have to be happy with what I have.
I hope you do well papi.
et al satin finish category?
<< <i>Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
et al satin finish category? >>
quite a few DDR's were found in the Satin Finish mint sets except this time, they were the Denver coins instead of the Philadelphia coins.
Premiums? My attempts at selling the sets for as little as $37.50 was a bust after selling a couple in the $40 - $60 range.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
et al satin finish category? >>
quite a few DDR's were found in the Satin Finish mint sets except this time, they were the Denver coins instead of the Philadelphia coins.
Premiums? My attempts at selling the sets for as little as $37.50 was a bust after selling a couple in the $40 - $60 range. >>
I agreee with the above and think there are around 9 DDRs classified. I would also emphasize though that there is not currently much of a premium on the satin finish DDRs for various reasons, but in my opinion, the main one is that there is not a satin finish DDR that is all that dramatic in appearance. I may sound like a broken record, but first to admit, most of these are boring. Those that care, focus on a select few DDRs that are significant in appearance and that is what I have focused on. Also, so many Mint sets will never be opened, and will be a hoard or treasure trove for searching for the DDRs if they ever gain popularity, making it easier and easier to acquire one. I personally, am not too excited about the satin finish DDRs for that reason and the snooze factor on the appearance of the DDR.
The proof set ones are another story, yes not very dramatic, but a proof is a proof, the box is not sealed (so you can open and close it with no issue) for searching, and historically, numbers for DDO/DDRs on proof coins is very low. So those are pretty cool but no skeleton finger.
<< <i>but in my opinion, the main one is that there is not a satin finish DDR that is all that dramatic in appearance. I may sound like a broken record, but first to admit, most of these are boring. >>
There's not a single person on this thread that will ever live to see a '55, '69, '72, '83, or '95 Doubled Die ever again.
How's that for WOW? Get over it already.
I'm not suppressing any "boring" opinions. I respect all opinions and postings, but exercise the right to disagree.
I'm merely pointing out the illogical logic from the poo-poo-ers. There are some historically low mintages with these. Hmmm
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Unless you have Bionic Vision, I challenge anyone to see the detail on any Lincoln Cent without magnification.
As a matter of fact, in order to qualify for insertion in the guide, The "Cherrypicker" sets the maximum magnification at 7X.
All of the significant 2009 Formative Years DDOs & DDRs, including satins, can easily be seen with a 7X loupe.
OK; Let the poo-pooing commence.
But yes, many are boring. My point all along is to focus on the stronger more dramatic of the DDRs and to not get hung up on the fact that there are 100+ DDRs for the 2009 FY. We as collectors are always weeding out the best, and focusing on the most prominent, so that is only natural. To me, the satfin finish examples are not that exciting, but as you know, take a look at the regular production Philadelphia varieties and there are a few highlights and those have me excited.
<< <i>Papi!, I am one of the strongest supporters of the 2009 FY DDRs! >>
Con; my comment wasn't directed towards you. I know you've been an advocate all along. It was directed towards "boring".
Yes the DC quarter is a wow. But people ga-ga over overlapping stars on the edge of a coin. That's a wow?
I just don't see anything boring about the FY DDRs. I'm not even putting together a set, but there are at least a dozen that WOW me!
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<< <i>Papi!, I am one of the strongest supporters of the 2009 FY DDRs! >>
Con; my comment wasn't directed towards you. I know you've been an advocate all along. It was directed towards "boring".
Yes the DC quarter is a wow. But people ga-ga over overlapping stars on the edge of a coin. That's a wow?
I just don't see anything boring about the FY DDRs. I'm not even putting together a set, but there are at least a dozen that WOW me! >>
Yeah, I know, we are on the same page. Boring is probably my word choice for lack of a better vocabulary
There are indeed a dozen or so that do WOW me too and that is what does get frustrating with me is I question why other people do not see it too!!! They are unique as a whole, with 2009 never to be repeated. You can put together some nice examples without breaking the bank, and I know from my own experience/research that singularly, each of the DDRs is in limited quantities. Many far less than people realize too.
Time will tell, if these coins can get their legs and earn some exposure over time. That I am certain; not that it will happen, but that it can.
Just letting everyone know I just picked up 3 boxes of the Mint Set Formative yr lincoln pennies... I got them for $12 each...
I already opened the 4/20 box & found the following:
8 - WDDR-004
6 - WDDO-001
The other 2 boxes are dated 4/29 & was wondering if I should open them or not... Does anyone truly believes the unopened
Mint boxes will ever be valuable cause they are un-opened?
By the way, John Wexler featured one of my coins in July 5th issue of Coin World... it was the one on the front upper left corner -
it was the terminal die crack coin... showing MAJOR die crack running from the rim of "OF" through Lincolns Head. Cool looking coin...
I have never sent in any for grading but have over 20 different varieties... have a local dealer who were selling them for me.
There were over 70 SOLD!! Most between the prices of $10 to $30. What I realized was by having the different coins showing
with all the Main Doubled Die Pennies such as WDDR-001, WDDR-002, WDDR-003, WDDR-004, & WDDR-006... that the people
buying the coins started buying the less doubled varieties... just letting others know what I have experienced.
Lastly, I believe there are so many different points of view concerning these type of coins... & I can see both sides BUT the
truth is it will always be up to the individual interest on what THEY want. We all know the older double dies such as the famous
1955 & 1972 coins will always be special... but the newer 2009's will also have a following as they are less expensive & new
people coming into the hobby will in time get interested because they will be available & priced lower... No matter what, once
a year coin is done being minted... there is no more! Just my 2 cents (lincoln's)... :-)
shasta7
<< <i>The other 2 boxes are dated 4/29 & was wondering if I should open them or not... Does anyone truly believes the unopened
Mint boxes will ever be valuable cause they are un-opened? >>
Well said Shasta7, thanks.
Also, great job on selling over 70 coins. Better yet, prices $10-$30. That looks like the type of multiplication I'm talking about.
That's what's great about these. The average collector can participate without breaking the bank.
As far as the 4/29; that's a definite crap shoot. They can either be loaded with DDRs, or you can get completely zonked. I've been zonked more than once on a 4/29 box.
Unopened boxes; hard to say. If 2/3 of the boxes are opened, for DDR searching, than they're equal in scarcity to the LP1; and they sell for $75-$100.
IMHO it seems silly to pay $100 for $1 worth of pennies just because of the box and the special wrapping paper.
I don't think the unopened boxes will exceed the value of the DDR contents, but who knows. A sealed 4/29 box with no DDRs is worth more than the contents. Got X-ray vision?
Also, if you had found any errors in these sets, would you break up the packaging and send that coin off to Anacs for attribution and grading? It seems that these cents would be a little more valuable because
of their more limited mintage numbers. Would you agree or disagree?
Just am curious what Double Dies people have found in boxes dated 4/29? as I said I have 2...
Both dated 4/29 with Insp # 9774 One with time stamp 07:28... other 10:15
If someone could direct to to a few posts this would be helpful... Thanks in adv
shasta7
<< <i>Question...
Just am curious what Double Dies people have found in boxes dated 4/29? as I said I have 2...
Both dated 4/29 with Insp # 9774 One with time stamp 07:28... other 10:15
If someone could direct to to a few posts this would be helpful... Thanks in adv
shasta7 >>
Shasta,
There are numerous postings throughout this thread about boxes from 4/29. The very 1st entry on this thread, page 1, mentions a 4/29 box.
Look at each page of this thread, page 8 etc, and you'll find the info you seek.
I said myself, 2 responses above your last post, that I've been zonked more than once on 4/29.
<< <i>could someone please address my question I posted about three or four postings prior? thanks, much appreciated......
See Above, you'll find.................
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<< <i>Has anyone found any ddr's/ddo's in the 36 coin p & d sets? If so, do they command a premium because of their copper makeup and supposedly limited mintage? Also, if found, would they be listed under Wexler
et al satin finish category? >>
Quite a few DDR's were found in the Satin Finish mint sets except this time, they were the Denver coins instead of the Philadelphia coins.
Premiums? My attempts at selling the sets for as little as $37.50 was a bust after selling a couple in the $40 - $60 range. >>
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I am not sure I got the answer to my question earlier. Are there ddo/ddr's in the 36 coin mint set u09 and, if so, are they considered satin mint errors because of their mostly copper metallic content?
Also, if you had found any errors in these sets, would you break up the packaging and send that coin off to Anacs for attribution and grading? It seems that these cents would be a little more valuable because
of their more limited mintage numbers. Would you agree or disagree? >>
Yes, as noted there were DDRs found in the 2009 mint sets. They are considered "satin finish" because that is the finish used by the Mint for all of the uncirculated sets since 2005. So the satin finish has nothing to do with the copper content of the coins. But yes, the 2009 Lincolns are copper in the Mint sets, vs clad in the regular production coins.
Have you been to www.varietyvista.com? It is by CONECA and they have an easy to navigate gallery of the various 2009 DDRs. Including the proofs and the satin finish DDRs.
Regarding value, or breaking it out of the package, and/or sending it to ANACS, that is all personal preference. I believe many here would rather send them to PCGS if they would wake up and start attributing these (politely said). In my opinion, if I was collecting the satin finish DDRs, or looking to sell one, I think one would lean towards the coin cut out and in a holder on its own as that would be the focus or reason of interest that person had in the set to begin with. But you hear both sides of leaving or cutting it out though. Also, you can always cut out later, but can never put back in, so it depends on what your purpose is of the coin too.
I only mentioned Anacs because obviously they're the only grading company that designates the errors on their slabs to date. I would prefer PCGS and NGC join the party.
<< <i>thanks Constantine....why don't the copper coins ( and any errors found ) in the 2009 sets have a different designation than "satin finish" if they're made from copper instead of zinc? Kind of confusing to me..
I only mentioned Anacs because obviously they're the only grading company that designates the errors on their slabs to date. I would prefer PCGS and NGC join the party. >>
www.varietyvista.com
John Wexler's sight is at www.doubleddie.com
The name is LEE!
Only the satin coins are copper, all the other Lincoln errors from 2009 are zinc. Hope this helps.
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finish zinc and satin finish copper errors and any value differences they may have. I am torn about removing any coins from the 36 coin p&d set (u09) to submit for grading and attribution. I have two coins that
I came across that I thought might be errors (not double die), but upon contacting John Wexler, I am led to believe that they probably aren't.
you can see in this image (scanned the best that I can) that there is a distinct line disecting the first 0 in the date. It runs diagonally from about two o'clock through the 0 at about seven o'clock. It is a raised line
not a scratch or a die crack. This is on the "d" mint white house coin and only two of my six sets have this feature. Again, this resides in the 36 coin u09 set. I thought I might have a new discovery....what say
you??? This is a copper cent ... is it worth sending in for further evaluation and attribution??? If I do have a new discovery, I hope I get to name it. Looking forward to reading your feedback.....
Regarding your scan, I can't really see much going on there, but after looking at so many of these cents, there are quite a few cracks, die gouges, struck throughs, or other various things that are out of the norm when minted. With your coin blown up so big and I have a hard time seeing what you are referring too, then it probably is pretty darn minor if anything.
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that you should be able to see. It is a solid straight line. Take another look...this is the best I can do without a real camera. What do think it is and what would cause that? I'll call it the "reverse Q effect"
metal. At first I thought it was paralleling the stem of the number nine in the date, but it's not curved as much as the number nine seems to be. It's a mystery to me....hopefully someone here will know what it
is....thanks for the feedback!
finish zinc and satin finish copper errors and any value differences they may have.
There are no 2009 satin finish zinc pennies, they are all copper like in 1909. These rest of the errors are in regular circulation strikes which are zinc.
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are enough for the experienced eyes and voices here.....