Hi, You're an idiot and your payment terms are outrageous. I set snipes and check ebay every two or three days like most other well-adjusted people who have work schedules. Please block me from all your auctions just in case I might accidentally bid on them.
Also, there's a thread started about you on the PSA message boards and you've lost countless other potential bidders as a result of your insane payment terms. Congrats on being an idiot.
Lee >>
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If that message was sent through the EBAY system, it is "possible" that a successful appeal can be made to have EBAY remove the NEG that Sid left.
CD may be competent to make the case to an EBAY supervisor himself.
If they were willing to do so, one of the California lawyers here would be well positioned to make the request/demand to EBAY.
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The primary basis for the argument is:
1. Sid was on notice that CD did not want anything to do with Sid. That notice was sent via the EBAY message system. Sid disregarded the notice and placed a bid for the sole and exclusive purpose of leaving a NEG and causing damage to CD's biznez.
2. While EBAY provides multiple methods by which to block unwelcome bidders, and while CD did not avail himself of any of those, the very multiplicity of those blocking methods can be argued to be "not stated to be all inclusive and thus not the exclusive methods;" thus, opening the door for the original email from CD to Sid to be accepted by EBAY as a retrospective bar to Sid's bid.
(CD's failure to BBL Sid was excusable neglect, due to his reliance on the notice he sent to Sid using EBAY's message system. CD could not foresee or imagine that someone put upon such notice would EVER think of doing what Sid did.)
3. While CD only stated to Sid that Sid "should block" CD, a reasonable extension of CD's intent was meant to convey that Sid was CERTAINLY not welcome to bid on CD's items.
4. The conduct by Sid, viewed in light of all the circustances, was clearly intended to violate the spirit of EBAY's Unwelcome Bidder Policy.
This poorly worded/punctuated language also has to be overcome, to some extent:
Additionally, members are prohibited from bidding on or purchasing an item to disrupt or to leave non-positive Feedback or Detailed Seller Ratings for the seller, with no intention of completing the transaction.
While Sid "completed" the transaction, he did so for the sole purpose of leaving the NEG. The bid by Sid was a violation of the policy against "bidding with the intent to disrupt" a listing.
Also, obviously, there was NO scratch on the slab when it was shipped. Since Sid implied that such a scratch was NOT suffered in transit, Sid can be argued to have made a disingenuous comment about the scratch.
Getting an EBAY T&S supervisor to accept the email from CD as "proper notice to Sid to leave me alone" is prolly at the heart of the appeal.
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Such an appeal is FAR from a slam dunk, but it is likely winable if persistent efforts are expended.
Sellers may exclude buyers at any time prior to the listing close and are free to cancel unwelcome bids. After a seller has cancelled a bid, the bidder may not place a new bid without the seller's permission. Buyers who do not meet the seller’s terms as outlined in the item listing also are not permitted to bid on or buy the item.
Additionally, members are prohibited from bidding on or purchasing an item to disrupt or to leave non-positive Feedback or Detailed Seller Ratings for the seller, with no intention of completing the transaction.
Sellers are permitted to exclude bidders at any time prior to the listing close and are free to cancel unwelcome bids. After a seller has cancelled a bid, the bidder may not place a new bid without the seller's permission.
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
Failure to meet a seller's terms
Examples:
Seller states item will only be shipped domestically. Buyer is registered outside the shipping area.
Seller states that buyers with negative feedback comments are not permitted to bid. The buyer has negative feedback.
Report a buyer who participated in a listing without meeting the listing terms.
Buying with the intent to disrupt a listing Examples:
Buyer places a bid that greatly exceeds the value of the item in order to prevent a sale.
Buyer bids on multiple items listed by a seller without intent to complete the sale.
Buyer attempts to purchase an item after having been placed on a seller's blocked bidder list.
Report a buyer who bid with intent to disrupt a listing.
Note: Buyers who fail to respond or who back out of a transaction do not fall under the Unwelcome Buying policy. These listings should be reported as Unpaid Items.
.
Additional Information
Preventing Unwelcome Buying
In addition to reporting a user to eBay, there are several steps sellers can take to prevent unwelcome buying including:
Turn on Buyer Requirements to block buyers who don’t meet certain criteria.
Use Immediate Payment Required on Buy It Now and Stores listings.
Place the bidder on a blocked bidder list.
Cancel bids.
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Why does eBay have this policy?
This policy is intended to protect the integrity of the eBay marketplace by prohibiting conduct that would interfere with the completion or performance of eBay transactions.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
Good call storm, I just sent ebay an email explaining the situation and your argument. I could care less about the neg but I'm curious to see if ebay will remove it. I'm setting the odds at 9-2.
1. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him 2. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him. 3. buy something off Lee, but with the understanding that he is (Nuts) and might scratch my 2.00 psa graded card. ( who cares) 4. sell something to the OP , but don't expect to get paid for at least 25 hours to 7 days. 5. quit ebay altogether and seek mental and medical help from anyone willing to do it for free. 6. quit posting on these boards since everything I type is taken the wrong way. 7. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him 8. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him 9. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him 10. all of the above and then contact Storm for legal advice. 11. None of the above take my medication and drink another beer.
all advice welcome. Thanks in advance!
Ps, CDsnuts I think the odds should be 7.5 to 2.1 JMHO
<< <i>jeffv96masters Hi, hello, how are ya? Good to have you here. By the way, you're not Nascar96 are you? >>
Wherever you go in this hobby I have the same user ID on every single site ( Ebay/ beckett/ CU/ Net54/ Freedomcardboard , etc, etc, etc),,,,,,life is a whole lot simpler that way ,,,,,,,,,,I am a moderator on Beckett Ralph if your unaware,,,,,,and hello to you to by the way,,,,,,,, I am feeling fine
Hope this comforts you I am not some "ghost" or prior headache user,,,,,, just never signed up for these boards as I enjoy listening & learning,,,,, just felt the need to weigh in on a subject I happen to know a little about,,,,,,
Let me know if you need anything else I'll be happy to assist you in any way,,,, Jeff
Well they answered me within 12 hours and said they won't take away the neg with a nice form letter. I just don't care enough to go any farther with it; if I had to be placed on hold for more than 4 seconds by an ebay rep I would be forced to repeatedly slam my cell phone into my forehead until it crushes my temporal lobe.
Comments
<< <i>
Hi,
You're an idiot and your payment terms are outrageous. I set snipes and check ebay every two or three days like most other well-adjusted people who have work schedules. Please block me from all your auctions just in case I might accidentally bid on them.
Also, there's a thread started about you on the PSA message boards and you've lost countless other potential bidders as a result of your insane payment terms. Congrats on being an idiot.
Lee >>
/////////////////////////////////
If that message was sent through the EBAY system, it is "possible"
that a successful appeal can be made to have EBAY remove the NEG
that Sid left.
CD may be competent to make the case to an EBAY supervisor himself.
If they were willing to do so, one of the California lawyers here would
be well positioned to make the request/demand to EBAY.
........
The primary basis for the argument is:
1. Sid was on notice that CD did not want anything to do with Sid. That
notice was sent via the EBAY message system. Sid disregarded the notice
and placed a bid for the sole and exclusive purpose of leaving a NEG and
causing damage to CD's biznez.
2. While EBAY provides multiple methods by which to block unwelcome
bidders, and while CD did not avail himself of any of those, the very multiplicity
of those blocking methods can be argued to be "not stated to be all inclusive
and thus not the exclusive methods;" thus, opening the door for the original
email from CD to Sid to be accepted by EBAY as a retrospective bar to Sid's bid.
(CD's failure to BBL Sid was excusable neglect, due to his reliance on the
notice he sent to Sid using EBAY's message system. CD could not foresee
or imagine that someone put upon such notice would EVER think of doing
what Sid did.)
3. While CD only stated to Sid that Sid "should block" CD, a reasonable extension
of CD's intent was meant to convey that Sid was CERTAINLY not welcome to
bid on CD's items.
4. The conduct by Sid, viewed in light of all the circustances, was clearly intended
to violate the spirit of EBAY's Unwelcome Bidder Policy.
This poorly worded/punctuated language also has to be overcome, to some extent:
Additionally, members are prohibited from bidding on or purchasing an item to disrupt or to leave non-positive Feedback or Detailed Seller Ratings for the seller, with no intention of completing the transaction.
While Sid "completed" the transaction, he did so for the sole purpose of
leaving the NEG. The bid by Sid was a violation of the policy against
"bidding with the intent to disrupt" a listing.
Also, obviously, there was NO scratch on the slab when it was shipped.
Since Sid implied that such a scratch was NOT suffered in transit, Sid
can be argued to have made a disingenuous comment about the scratch.
Getting an EBAY T&S supervisor to accept the email from CD as "proper
notice to Sid to leave me alone" is prolly at the heart of the appeal.
.......
Such an appeal is FAR from a slam dunk, but it is likely winable if persistent
efforts are expended.
.................
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EBAY's Policy
Unwelcome and Malicious Buying
Sellers may exclude buyers at any time prior to the listing close and are free to cancel unwelcome bids. After a seller has cancelled a bid, the bidder may not place a new bid without the seller's permission. Buyers who do not meet the seller’s terms as outlined in the item listing also are not permitted to bid on or buy the item.
Additionally, members are prohibited from bidding on or purchasing an item to disrupt or to leave non-positive Feedback or Detailed Seller Ratings for the seller, with no intention of completing the transaction.
Sellers are permitted to exclude bidders at any time prior to the listing close and are free to cancel unwelcome bids. After a seller has cancelled a bid, the bidder may not place a new bid without the seller's permission.
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
Failure to meet a seller's terms
Examples:
Seller states item will only be shipped domestically. Buyer is registered outside the shipping area.
Seller states that buyers with negative feedback comments are not permitted to bid. The buyer has negative feedback.
Report a buyer who participated in a listing without meeting the listing terms.
Buying with the intent to disrupt a listing Examples:
Buyer places a bid that greatly exceeds the value of the item in order to prevent a sale.
Buyer bids on multiple items listed by a seller without intent to complete the sale.
Buyer attempts to purchase an item after having been placed on a seller's blocked bidder list.
Report a buyer who bid with intent to disrupt a listing.
Note: Buyers who fail to respond or who back out of a transaction do not fall under the Unwelcome Buying policy. These listings should be reported as Unpaid Items.
.
Additional Information
Preventing Unwelcome Buying
In addition to reporting a user to eBay, there are several steps sellers can take to prevent unwelcome buying including:
Turn on Buyer Requirements to block buyers who don’t meet certain criteria.
Use Immediate Payment Required on Buy It Now and Stores listings.
Place the bidder on a blocked bidder list.
Cancel bids.
....
Why does eBay have this policy?
This policy is intended to protect the integrity of the eBay marketplace by prohibiting conduct that would interfere with the completion or performance of eBay transactions.
<< <i>Funny enough, I could care less about the neg........ >>
<< <i>Don't sweat it, I could care less about the neg........ >>
<< <i>I could care less about the neg but I'm curious to see if ebay will remove it........ >>
If you keep saying it, you just might convince yourself.
of the circumstance across.
Several folks here have had good luck using email to
get the job done.
I always prefer to get the T&S folks on the phone and make
the case more "personal."
The key is persistence.
1. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him
2. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him.
3. buy something off Lee, but with the understanding that he is (Nuts) and might scratch my 2.00 psa graded card. ( who cares)
4. sell something to the OP , but don't expect to get paid for at least 25 hours to 7 days.
5. quit ebay altogether and seek mental and medical help from anyone willing to do it for free.
6. quit posting on these boards since everything I type is taken the wrong way.
7. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him
8. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him
9. buy something off Bama_sid, and then Neg him
10. all of the above and then contact Storm for legal advice.
11. None of the above take my medication and drink another beer.
all advice welcome. Thanks in advance!
Ps, CDsnuts I think the odds should be 7.5 to 2.1 JMHO
Hi, hello, how are ya?
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Ralph
<< <i>jeffv96masters
Hi, hello, how are ya?
Wherever you go in this hobby I have the same user ID on every single site ( Ebay/ beckett/ CU/ Net54/ Freedomcardboard , etc, etc, etc),,,,,,life is a whole lot simpler that way ,,,,,,,,,,I am a moderator on Beckett Ralph if your unaware,,,,,,and hello to you to by the way,,,,,,,, I am feeling fine
Hope this comforts you I am not some "ghost" or prior headache user,,,,,, just never signed up for these boards as I enjoy listening & learning,,,,, just felt the need to weigh in on a subject I happen to know a little about,,,,,,
Let me know if you need anything else I'll be happy to assist you in any way,,,,
Jeff
<< <i>p.s. Oh-- and hello people >>
Hi Jeff - welcome to the boards!
mike