Bama_sid...Wow, deal gone bad FAST!
mcolney1
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Won this on 6/1 Link
Receive this message from Ray Gaydash on 6/3:
--u won this lot on 1 June 2009; payment was due yesterday. please pay thru PAYPAL. GOD bless + thanku, - bama_sid
My response:
--Payment sent within seven days according to ebay TOS. If you want immediate payment then you should set up BIN with immediate payment. 24 hour payment goes against ebay policy.
Ray Gaydash responds on 6/4:
--Dear mcolney,
buyer unhappy with seller's specific payment terms! i am cheerfully refunding your full purchase price + cancelling the sale. - bama_sid
My response:
--Hey Bama_sid,
Let's be reasonable. It was late at night and I just wanted you to know your terms aren't enforceable. I felt you first message to me was badgering me for payment. I pay for all my auctions won between 1 to 5 days after close - I win many items and like to group my payments in sets of five for convenient Paypal payments. You have my money, let's move on from here and complete this transaction.
Ray Gaydash responds:
--Dear mcolney,
current situation: 1.) i the seller fully refunded your $62.03 thru PAYPAL (check my PAYPAL account). 2.) i sold the lot 2 the 2nd bidder who already paid. 3.) the lot will be mailed to the 2nd bidder today. 4.) i blocked u from ever bidding on my lots again. u have your money back - therefore there is no need for us to communicate ever again. bye, - bama_sid
My response:
I have no other recourse than to communicate with you through feedback.
I left the following negative feedback: Paid Seller within 3 days of close, won't complete trans. TOS unreasonable WOW!
His response:
Dear mcolney,
GOLLY GEE GOMER, U R SO RIGHT! - bama_sid
He leaves me this feedback: SELLERS BEWARE - THIS BUYER IGNORES YOUR TERMS - SHAME, CAN NOT LEAVE NEGATIVE!
What's done is done:
I want to know:
1. Can I get his feedback removed from my account?
2. Can I try to ensure he doesn't get his FVF refunded?
3. I should have kept my mouth shut, but come-on, 24 hour payment required - listed at bottom of item description
Venting over - thanks,
Tony
Receive this message from Ray Gaydash on 6/3:
--u won this lot on 1 June 2009; payment was due yesterday. please pay thru PAYPAL. GOD bless + thanku, - bama_sid
My response:
--Payment sent within seven days according to ebay TOS. If you want immediate payment then you should set up BIN with immediate payment. 24 hour payment goes against ebay policy.
Ray Gaydash responds on 6/4:
--Dear mcolney,
buyer unhappy with seller's specific payment terms! i am cheerfully refunding your full purchase price + cancelling the sale. - bama_sid
My response:
--Hey Bama_sid,
Let's be reasonable. It was late at night and I just wanted you to know your terms aren't enforceable. I felt you first message to me was badgering me for payment. I pay for all my auctions won between 1 to 5 days after close - I win many items and like to group my payments in sets of five for convenient Paypal payments. You have my money, let's move on from here and complete this transaction.
Ray Gaydash responds:
--Dear mcolney,
current situation: 1.) i the seller fully refunded your $62.03 thru PAYPAL (check my PAYPAL account). 2.) i sold the lot 2 the 2nd bidder who already paid. 3.) the lot will be mailed to the 2nd bidder today. 4.) i blocked u from ever bidding on my lots again. u have your money back - therefore there is no need for us to communicate ever again. bye, - bama_sid
My response:
I have no other recourse than to communicate with you through feedback.
I left the following negative feedback: Paid Seller within 3 days of close, won't complete trans. TOS unreasonable WOW!
His response:
Dear mcolney,
GOLLY GEE GOMER, U R SO RIGHT! - bama_sid
He leaves me this feedback: SELLERS BEWARE - THIS BUYER IGNORES YOUR TERMS - SHAME, CAN NOT LEAVE NEGATIVE!
What's done is done:
I want to know:
1. Can I get his feedback removed from my account?
2. Can I try to ensure he doesn't get his FVF refunded?
3. I should have kept my mouth shut, but come-on, 24 hour payment required - listed at bottom of item description
Venting over - thanks,
Tony
Collecting Topps, Philadelphia and Kellogg's from 1964-1989
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wow, what a jackass
3) Keeping one's mouth shut helps to avoid this sort of avoidable crap. There wasn't really any need to mouth off to the guy in the first place.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
but buyers are getting pretty annoying lately with no negative feedbacks possible..
just like the post from yesterday with the buyers about me page..
maybe this seller didn't want to deal with you and felt like it was already going south why
continue and make bad, worse
( not that you are a bad buyer )
Buyer is 100% in the right in terms of complying with eBay policy but made one little slip that, while it DID NOT IN ANYWAY justify the canceled sale, it did contribute to the negative relationship: telling the seller that he "should" change his TOS to comply with policy--that make have been perceived as "smug" intended or not...
That said, the buyer is overall in the right and I be steamed at this seller.
"I want to know:
1. Can I get his feedback removed from my account?
2. Can I try to ensure he doesn't get his FVF refunded?
3. I should have kept my mouth shut, but come-on, 24 hour payment required - listed at bottom of item description."
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1. Yes. His FB will be removed if you ask EBAY to do so.
2. I don't see how he can get the FVFs back, based on
your response to the NPB claim.
3. If you did not see his TOS before you bid, his placement
of the time-limit might have been partly at fault.
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This is just another case of an EXCELLENT seller who actually thinks
he has the right to set his own TOS. He and other good sellers
should avoid EBAY, if they want to enforce their own TOS.
Anyway, appreciate your feedback, just one of those days when you need to vent. Its been above 90 degrees in Seattle for a few days, maybe that's the problem!
<< <i>2) No.
3) Keeping one's mouth shut helps to avoid this sort of avoidable crap. There wasn't really any need to mouth off to the guy in the first place. >>
Why not read the auction description, and if you don't like the terms don't bid.
<< <i>The guy wanted immediate payment and you decided it was easier to type out a response informing him of how things are actually done. You felt that was the proper thing to do, even though it probably took up more of your time than just sending the payment.
Why not read the auction description, and if you don't like the terms don't bid. >>
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There is NO written EBAY policy as to when a seller can
demand payment.
The 7-day NPB-filing wait has been deemed by most of us
to have created a de facto policy of 7-days. A seller is free
to set his own TOS on the issue, and buyers who want
their merch can abide by those TOS or risk not getting
their stuff.
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With 13 decent PSA cards for $4.77 each DELIVERED on
the line, you are right, it would have been best to just
pay promptly and keep quiet.
<< <i>The guy wanted immediate payment >>
If that's the case there is an option requiring immediate payment, which this guy could've used. You cannot "make your own rules" willy-nilly and get pissed when buyers call you on it. If that's the case, build your own website and sell on there.
On a side note that is a $-grip avatar nightcrawler.
<< <i>I responded to his message after I made the payment. Again, it just rubbed me the wrong way. >>
I know, I've been rubbed that way too, lol. Too bad it ended up this way. I think sellers feel bullied these days. I didn't mean immediate payment, I mean't the 24hr thing. And I agree it's not even close to being reasonable.
<< <i>On a side note that is a $-grip avatar nightcrawler. >>
Minty, I have no idea what a $-grip avatar is??? I took a picture of my Nightcrawler T-shirt and modified it into this gif pic for my avatar.
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<< <i>The guy wanted immediate payment >>
If that's the case there is an option requiring immediate payment, which this guy could've used. You cannot "make your own rules" willy-nilly and get pissed when buyers call you on it. If that's the case, build your own website and sell on there. >>
Whether he wanted immediate payment or not, you were within eBay TOS in making payment within 7 days. HOWEVER, considering that it was stated in the auction, regardless of whether it was seen by you or a legitimate TOS, the payment reminder should've prompted payment. The additional commentary and lecture is what turned this transaction sour.
Perhaps the best method in these situations is not trying to teach the seller a lesson before the transaction is completed, but following through and then once the item is received, you can further your cause through feedback and/or an "lecturing" email. Why risk ticking off a seller when they still hold the product?
Trust me, I'm as opinionated as anyone and there are things that tick me off, but if I get a good deal, I'm not going to ruffle any feathers until the deal is done. Then all bets are off . . .
Hi,
You're an idiot and your payment terms are outrageous. I set snipes and check ebay every two or three days like most other well-adjusted people who have work schedules. Please block me from all your auctions just in case I might accidentally bid on them.
Also, there's a thread started about you on the PSA message boards and you've lost countless other potential bidders as a result of your insane payment terms. Congrats on being an idiot.
Lee
I'm really happy I do this as a hobby, because if my livelihood depended on putting up with crap from these complete morons I'd want to blow my brains out six times a day.
<< <i>Couldn't resist:
Hi,
You're an idiot and your payment terms are outrageous. I set snipes and check ebay every two or three days like most other well-adjusted people who have work schedules. Please block me from all your auctions just in case I might accidentally bid on them.
Also, there's a thread started about you on the PSA message boards and you've lost countless other potential bidders as a result of your insane payment terms. Congrats on being an idiot.
Lee
I'm really happy I do this as a hobby, because if my livelihood depended on putting up with crap from these complete morons I'd want to blow my brains out six times a day. >>
Nobody likes a turd in the punchbowl more than me Lee.
Bosox1976
He won't get his FVF back under these circumstances unless you agree to do so.
Grade A moron right there...
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Will usually ship within 5 business days of receiving cleared payment.
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What a joke.
Whether you agree with my actions or not I think it comes down to this:
Neither the seller nor the buyer sets the terms on a standard auction - we both agree to go on ebay and live with the fact that ebay sets the terms.
He's still emailing me with goofiness even though he said he didn't want anything else to do with me. I did leave a neg. and I'll stand by that. He sent me a retaliatory negative positive feedback, but I called ebay and to their credit they had it removed while I was talking to the rep.
And so it goes, another day in paradise...
Thanks, Tony
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Just to be clear...........
EBAY is silent on the issue of how long a buyer has to pay.
EBAY is silent on the issue of when a seller can state that
a payment must be made.
The seller's TOS on the issue can be whatever he chooses
to make them; he simply cannot enforce them, if the buyer
decides not to abide by them after the sale is made.
But, obviously, if a seller is in soup nazi mode he can simply
refuses to complete the transaction.
Steve
<< <i>And if such a seller wants to act like a nazi a buyer can neg him.
Steve >>
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Yup.
I suspect the seller prolly figures one NEG on the issue -
out of 3,600+ sales - is a pretty good record.
Who's in?
Steve
edited to add:
But, wow - payment due within 24 hrs is kinda ridiculous and to be honest, I might've missed that requirement.
For one thing, I - sometimes - hold off with payment for a day or so if I'm bidding on another item from the same seller so I can save on the shipping - nothing wrong with that IMO.
Unfair seller IMO.
mike
Tony, you did nothing wrong here.
I don't thinh you can set that (immediate payment) with an auction.
Steve
This seller is a loon and chasing away good customers will ultimately sink his business.
Your message to him.
"Payment sent within seven days per ebay TOS. If you want immediate payment you should use BIN with immediate payment. I comply with ebay policy on all my transactions."
It's funny that you took the time to read and explain to him what you incorrectly think are Ebay's offical rules that govern all auctions, but you didn't bother to read the two places in the seller's description where he requested payment to be made within 24 hours. Not saying that 24 hours is reasonable, right, or wrong but those were the terms under which you purchased the item. He sent you a reminder to pay and instead of just paying it and giving the whole situation no further thought, you told him what your payment policy was, why you ignored his, and how he should run his auctions. Like you he decided to exercise his right to do whatever he pleases and gave you a cheerful refund. You replied with a cheerful negative and now have an Ebay horror story to tell your grandkids someday. Well played!
While his terms may be payment within 24 hours he can't file until 7 days for non payment.
In the early days of ebay they asked that buyers and sellers give 2 weeks each way If I remember
correctly.
In any event nothing wrong with negging this seller, if anything it will advise the next guy to pay within 24 hrs.
What bothers me is that the guy refunded the money after he requested and received payment.
Maybe he should grow a thicker skin too.
Steve
bama_sid and I obviously not friends, but ebay has sided with me and looks like they have insisted that he leave off the 24 hour payment demands in his TOS:
Item before my complaint: Item not sold before my complaint
Same item relisted: with new payment terms
Yes, I could have handled the situation better, but he earned his neg. and, at least, won't pull the same stuff he did with me with another buyer. All his other items are the same with standard 7 day payment window.
I may just send him a note letting him know how happy I am that he agrees with me about following ebay policy
started.
Maybe this hobby event was important enough for such an idiot to post to it?
Lastly I would think such an idiot would know when a remark is serious and when it is not
especially when the writer of such a remark takes the time and adds an emoticon.
Only an idiot would have taken such a statement as serious.
Steve
Clearly this moron should immediately be thrown off ebay.
edit:
This guy infuriates me. This is the reason why God created the Earth so large...that way I only have to be near a small populous of the idiots and the likelihood of my going crazy on someone would be minimized as the vast majority of idiots would not be at my disposal.
Steve
<< <i>Clearly this moron should immediately be thrown off ebay. >>
So you sent him a nasty message through eBay, and he turned around and bought a $1.95 card from you just to smoke you with a negative? You're slipping Lee.
Obviously. I should really pay more attention to my BBL and who's buying my stuff. Funny enough, I could care less about the neg and I sent him another nasty message. I'd be willing to bet I get more enjoyment out of my belittling messages to him than he got out of negging me. That neg is really going to have a huge effect on the $13 worth of cards I sell per week on ebay.
The moral- if you're going to mock people through ebay, you might want to add them to your BBL before doing so.
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I guess.
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<< <i>See? Storm just mocked me and I'm willing to bet he added me to his BBL just in case I got any funny ideas. >>
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No BBL for you, but if I see that filthy avatar of yours trying
to buy anything from me, I will beat him half to death, and
repeatedly transfuse him just to make the process last for
at least one year.
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Truthfully, it is bad that the guy NEGd you, but, as you note,
the humor, such as it is, lies in your forgetting to BBL him
after you poked him in the eye.
Added this moron to my blocked list.
Seems like my suggestion was to far fetched after all. Isn't that what Sid does?
Steve
<< <i>I can't believe there's a serious suggestion for people to buy something and neg the seller
Seems like my suggestion was to far fetched after all. Isn't that what Sid does?
Steve >>
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I think that is what MANY folks do.
Don't sweat it, I could care less about the neg. I have a hard time believing the difference between 100% and 99.7% feedback would ever end up costing me any money. Even so, if I never sold another card on ebay my life would still end up ok.
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