Would you buy raw from Klinger83?
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I'm looking at some raw cards he's selling, the scans look good, but there's always the question "why weren't these graded?" Anyone bought raw from him? What were the results?
Thanks for any info!
Thanks for any info!
"Molon Labe"
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Bosox1976
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"Molon Labe"
1) His condition assessment's are mostly accurate, but he doesn't "understate" either. If he calls a card a "6" you will probably get a "6" in a few cases a high 5.
2) He has a huge following and you will have to pay a pretty penny as he gets tons of bidders on all his auctions
3) I don't think he is the type of guy that is into grading so just because he doesn't have a card graded doesn't necessarily mean there is something wrong with it
4) He caters to raw set builders. I you are a PSA guy who is hoping to pick land some vintage PSA 8's and better, I don't know that Klinger is the guy for you.
JMO...
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This is the second such thread that I can recall regarding this seller. Like I said in the previous thread, just examine the scans very closely before bidding. Save them to your computer, blow 'em up, and have a good look. If you have the slightest doubt about a card after doing this, pass on it. Jeff provides good scans so you shouldn't be in for many unpleasant surprises if you study them carefully.
<< <i>I've bought hundreds of raw cards from Jeff (klinger83) and continue to buy from him. I've received the occassional klunker, but the vast majority of his cards have been very nice.
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pass those clunkers onto to the summerof68 to investigate
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<< <i>I've bought hundreds of raw cards from Jeff (klinger83) and continue to buy from him. I've received the occassional klunker, but the vast majority of his cards have been very nice.
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pass those clunkers onto to the summerof68 to investigate >>
Someone a little bitter?
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<< <i>I've bought hundreds of raw cards from Jeff (klinger83) and continue to buy from him. I've received the occassional klunker, but the vast majority of his cards have been very nice.
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pass those clunkers onto to the summerof68 to investigate >>
Someone a little bitter? >>
how am i bitter? cause you clowns assume since I find the summerof68's "CSI" investigation to be absolutely comical that I am somehw a pack resealer haha ok
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<< <i>I've bought hundreds of raw cards from Jeff (klinger83) and continue to buy from him. I've received the occasional klunker, but the vast majority of his cards have been very nice.
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pass those clunkers onto to the summerof68 to investigate >>
You are the one who needs to be investigated!
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<< <i>He's usually pretty close on his grading, only off by a grade or 3 >>
When every seller on ebay uses the same scale, is it really off?
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<< <i>I've bought hundreds of raw cards from Jeff (klinger83) and continue to buy from him. I've received the occassional klunker, but the vast majority of his cards have been very nice.
This is the second such thread that I can recall regarding this seller. Like I said in the previous thread, just examine the scans very closely before bidding. Save them to your computer, blow 'em up, and have a good look. If you have the slightest doubt about a card after doing this, pass on it. Jeff provides good scans so you shouldn't be in for many unpleasant surprises if you study them carefully. >>
I too have purchased TONS from Jeff. Mostly 1975s. Early on, he was spot on with his assessments of grades. I mostly bid on ones he calls NM-MT+. Many have come back 9s but mostly 8s. Lately though, they have been duds. But as was mentioned earlier, they are great set upgrade cards.
As for the entire year-long study, my findings revealed that buying raw and re-selling graded was not a viable means of profitability. I made about $500 net (accounting for grading and eBay fees) but that excluded all the trips to the post office and an estimated 300-400 hours of time searching for cards on eBay. In short, I would have been far better off working at a local burger stand for minimum wage.
More importantly, this study also greatly heightens my skepticism of several eBay dealers, especially one in particular, who buys lots of raw on eBay and then seems to have an uncanny knack of getting impressively high PSA grades on the "low pop" cards in that era even though I outbid him on the majority of the described "NM/Mint" and "Mint" low pop cards that entire year leaving him to only buy thousands of mostly "NM" cards.
I don't think your link to his PSA 9 '72 card is deceptive or deliberately misleading. However, to a casual observer it would seem to imply that Klinger (Jeff) has questionable character which is a very serious accusation in my opinion especially since his business is based on trust and honesty and your link may suggest to some that he is at the very least questionable.
I do not know Klinger (see my original reply) but have made a few buys from time to time and feel he is mostly accurate and far above the average vintage baseball sellers, not perfect, but an "8" or "9" out of 10.
Bottom line, he makes big buys of raw vintage sets, often high grade. Chances are he looks through each card and occasionally (10%?) one jumps out at him and makes him think "Damn, I have got to get this one graded--it could get a 10!" In those circumstances he sends them to PSA and hopes to cash in on a few of those.
Now, the other raw cards, which he realizes are more in the "6-8" range he lists on eBay with a "likely" number that card would receive. I do not remember (and I could be wrong on this!) him claiming to buyers that his raw stuff will get a "9 or higher" because as stated, he would have pulled that card and rolled the dice himself.
All that said, in my opinion, he is very ethical and if you think his raw stuff will get a 9 or 10, think again, he has already pulled those cards and submitted them himself.
<< <i>Kinda makes u wonder if it was so easy to buy raw cards on Ebay then flip em as graded, wouldn't we all be doing it? Something stinks, >>
Burrito, I dont think Dan was saying it was easy to buy RAW cards on EBAY and then flip them as graded. I think he said the exact opposite, He would rather haver worked at a local burger stand than taken a year of his life to Net $500.
<< <i> don't think your link to his PSA 9 '72 card is deceptive or deliberately misleading. However, to a casual observer it would seem to imply that Klinger (Jeff) has questionable character which is a very serious >>
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