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adamlaneus
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"The next grade up is a big jump in price".
Well, that would be meaningful if the coin was graded incorrectly, HOWEVER, it is graded correctly and stands no chance of upgrade.
Providing false hopes of a numeric upgrade is one of my pet peeves.
What especially kills me is when the seller knows the coin is correctly graded and says this little phrase anyway.
Anyone else want to vent tonight?
Well, that would be meaningful if the coin was graded incorrectly, HOWEVER, it is graded correctly and stands no chance of upgrade.
Providing false hopes of a numeric upgrade is one of my pet peeves.
What especially kills me is when the seller knows the coin is correctly graded and says this little phrase anyway.
Anyone else want to vent tonight?
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That makes me want to punch the speaker in the face. I also think "it is what it is" makes the speaker sound remarkably stupid.
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<< <i>I also think "it is what it is" makes the speaker sound remarkably stupid. >>
Usually a dealer only says this when a potential buyer starts pointing out flaws in the coin that the dealer is already aware of which makes the potential buyer sound remarkably stupid.
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<< <i>...for the “connoisseur collector.” I’m not buying Russian caviar or a bottle French Bordeaux wine, I’m buying a US Minted coin. >>
A coin collector with a discerning eye can most certainly be a "connoisseur collector".
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<< <i>"The next grade up is a big jump in price".
Well, that would be meaningful if the coin was graded incorrectly, HOWEVER, it is graded correctly and stands no chance of upgrade.
Providing false hopes of a numeric upgrade is one of my pet peeves.
What especially kills me is when the seller knows the coin is correctly graded and says this little phrase anyway.
Anyone else want to vent tonight? >>
From the dealer's perspective, the dealer might not be "providing false hopes of an upgrade", but instead pointing out that, perhaps the 1886-O Morgan dollar in MS-64 at $12,000 might be a good decision compared with the same coin in MS-65 for $250,000, even if the MS-64 will never upgrade.
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<< <i>"The next grade up is a big jump in price".
From the dealer's perspective, the dealer might not be "providing false hopes of an upgrade", but instead pointing out that, perhaps the 1886-O Morgan dollar in MS-64 at $12,000 might be a good decision compared with the same coin in MS-65 for $250,000, even if the MS-64 will never upgrade. >>
This is my interpretation of how this phrase is normally used - something akin to QDB's "Optimal Collecting Grade (OCG)" concept of which grade offers the best combination of preservation and market price.
Certainly nothing to get "honked off" about.
I don't see how that observation in any way provides 'false hope of a numeric upgrade'.
I've used that very description before on many coins where there is a 4X or more jump from the coins current grade to the next grade up. Usually that comment is used to reinforce that the current grade is the highest reasonably affordable collector grade for the coin. If the buyer wants one graded a single point better, they need to be prepared to crack the wallet hard.
In fact when I'm buying, I'm frequently LOOKING for those coins where there is a big jump in price the next grade up. I'd much rather buy a PQ MS64 1882-O Morgan for $100-$125 (bid/ask is $80/86) than a pedestrian MS65 for the bid of $1,150. There are many, many other such examples just in the Morgan series. When I go to shows, I go with a whole list of coins in various series where this is a 7X jump or more from one grade to the next. I'm looking for those 'value' coins that are better than average for the grade.
But I guess maybe I'm just not easily riled up by sellers comments. They are, after all....selling. If something they say doesn't pass the smell test, I vote with my feet by moving on. I save getting 'honked off' for the drive in restaurant employees that can't seem to get the correct food in the bag, even though the ticket accurately shows what was ordered.
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<< <i>"The next grade up is a big jump in price". >>
Lots of other good examples provided of lame phrases that can tick you off, but this is not one of them. Besides the examples already provided by what this can mean, I also use it for split grade coins, again when there is a good price increase at the next higher grade - especially when I can offer it at just slightly above the price at the lower grade. If XF is $200 and AU is $700 and I have a legit XF45 that I can sell for $250 why wouldn't I point that out? They're getting most of an AU coin at a fraction of the price. Depending on savvyness of the buyer, I may rephrase it as 'and you and I both know what these go for in AU'...
#1 The price guide is just what it is. In the real world that coin is worth this amount.
#2 I am the one behind this counter. I didn't become a dealer to giveaway my money.
#3 Pcgs is the mecedes of slabbers. If you want to waist your money on a Hyundi, well that's your choice..
#4 Yea I know it's worth that much, but I have enough of that coin already.. It will be a venture to part with the ones I have.. So, I will offer you this for it..
Another thing that really burns me up is sellers writing gibberish like "L@@K!!" and "LQQK!!." This extremely tacky and unprofessional, and puts the competency of the seller into question.
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Lasvegasteddy, that Peace dollar listing is a HOOT!
Not sure why anything sellers say would honk anyone off...if you walk into a lion's cage expect the lion to roar.
<< <i>"you can't afford it"
"If I take it out of the case are you going to buy it"
I just walk away when I hear the first one but make sure they see my gold Rolex as I walk away
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2. "Bluesheet price is..": If you use the Bluesheet to buy my coins, _____ you! lol
3. "This coin I have is going for less than Trends": Do you think i am some idiot that was born yesterday and believes in paying trends prices??
It sounds painful
I know of no business (other than perhaps prostitution) where the sellers NEVER take losses. To be honest, I don't care what you paid for it, it either makes sense or not. I recently paid about 25% above what a delaer had bought a coin for at auction the previous week! Why, becuase I think it is worth it, sure I wish I had bought it cheaper, but he took the risk and deserves to make the $$$. IMHO if any dealer has never sold a coin for a loss, they would be retired in a few short years.
so, if any of you dealers have never sold a coin for a loss, let me know, because I will give you all my money to invest.
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2) "It is PQ."
3) "It has a CAC sticker."
4) "It is NGC graded."
5) "It is very nice but PCGS genuine as it was lightly cleaned."
6) "I have others who have expressed interest."
7) "Only one person has touched this coin. He used white gloves and put the coin in his safety deposit box 25-years ago."
8) "If this coin doesn't sell, I'm sending it in for grading which will only boost the price."
9) "This coin will likely upgrade on a resubmission to PCGS. You can look at how much you would make with a 65 vs. a 64."
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<< <i>I also think "it is what it is" makes the speaker sound remarkably stupid. >>
Usually a dealer only says this when a potential buyer starts pointing out flaws in the coin that the dealer is already aware of which makes the potential buyer sound remarkably stupid. >>
Rob
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<< <i>One thing sellers say that really gets under my skin is "serious bidders only." This is one of those overused, meaningless cliches I see all the time on eBay.
Another thing that really burns me up is sellers writing gibberish like "L@@K!!" and "LQQK!!." This extremely tacky and unprofessional, and puts the competency of the seller into question. >>
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
<< <i>"The next grade up is a big jump in price" >>
Interesting how many folks defend this. I understand the points made. However, I feel the original language can indeed be interpreted many ways regardless of the conscious intent of the seller.
If one wanted to avoid the suggestion of deception, i'd rather see language like:
"Compare this coin to the price you pay for the next grade up and you'll see that this is a bargain!"
That seems to convey the points about affordability without the pitfall I initially mentioned, without implying false hope about an upgrade.
Honestly, I didn't get the point about how "a coin at this grade is a bargain compared to the next grade up"; I had interpreted the statement the other way.
And now the folks have replied, I still feel that better words could be used.
Any statement that could be misinterpreted and needs defending is inaccurate enough to merit some revision in my opinion.
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Steve
Some dealers have very nice stock. And price it just right...everything is expensive, but not so much that the inventory does not move. Some day, i'm gonna purchase a coin from that dealer, but the prices have me sitting on the fence as I am not a rich person.
(Yes I have a specific person in mind. This dealer is a member on the board. I'll leave it to the forum to guess. I'm not telling. If I ever want to do business with this fellow, I had better watch it.)
It takes time to work the guts up to jump off that fence and buy one of those Nice Coins from that dealer. Yet, the prices are just high enough such that someone seems to jump shortly before I finalize my decision to buy a coin that has been speaking to me.
Now that it has happened five times, five coin-misses because the price was right at the limit line for my comfort...I am annoyed. Five times, I have jumped off of the fence too late. This does not make me impatient; I won't change my ways because of this. Knowing when to jump is difficult.
This is obviously a case where the seller has dialed in their inventory and prices just right and appears to be doing well and enjoying themselves to boot.
I can respect that. Very much so!
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Dammit!
This is a different sort of getting honked off. I am angry at myself in this case.
Yes, I am complaining about a good business model. Yes, my complaint sounds stupid and is born out of frustration. But thank you for letting me vent my frustration, as it is better to do that than to push it down and ball it up.
(some day...)
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
1940 MS66RD - WOW
I even asked a seller once - Is WOW like CAC or what?
RegistryNut
But the one I see that seems to always indicate trouble:
"You be the judge"
I read this as:
"when you can't say anything good about what you are selling ... tell the buyer they are a judge".
<< <i>I've never cared for WOW in a coin title or description.
1940 MS66RD - WOW
I even asked a seller once - Is WOW like CAC or what?
RegistryNut
I think WOW is refering to the high price being asked rather than the quality of the coin.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>"The next grade up is a big jump in price".
From the dealer's perspective, the dealer might not be "providing false hopes of an upgrade", but instead pointing out that, perhaps the 1886-O Morgan dollar in MS-64 at $12,000 might be a good decision compared with the same coin in MS-65 for $250,000, even if the MS-64 will never upgrade. >>
This is my interpretation of how this phrase is normally used - something akin to QDB's "Optimal Collecting Grade (OCG)" concept of which grade offers the best combination of preservation and market price.
Certainly nothing to get "honked off" about. >>
Yup.
That's the way I always took it.. an MS64 is $400, an MS65 is $4500, most 64s look awfully nice when held next to a 65, assuming both are solid for the grade, nobody on here can tell me that a 65 is 10+ times as nice as a 64.
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<< <i>"The next grade up is a big jump in price".
Well, that would be meaningful if the coin was graded incorrectly, HOWEVER, it is graded correctly and stands no chance of upgrade.
Providing false hopes of a numeric upgrade is one of my pet peeves.
What especially kills me is when the seller knows the coin is correctly graded and says this little phrase anyway.
Anyone else want to vent tonight? >>
Well, sometimes it nice to know what the next price up is, if you know that then you might realize you have to settle for the grade being sold and buy it.
And when someone shows a gallery picture of multiple coins or lists a quantity of coins in the title and is actually selling them individually.