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This sure looks like a beautiful raw Proof Seated Half....

dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
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Quite attractive
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I would want to see straight on pics before I bid on such a coin. Can hide lots of bad things on a mirror-shot.
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    From what I've heard, those sellers crack out low grade and problem proofs and sell them raw. Beware.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You always have to wonder when a nice looking coin (other than early copper when raw rules) is offered raw, "What's wrong with it?" given the prevalence of slabbing these days. Selling a coin like this raw, especially on eBay, is a warning sign so far as I’m concerned. Why put yourself at a disadvantage as a seller when getting the coin in a slab with a decent grade on it will enhance your ability to sell the coin as well as the selling price?

    With old Proof coins, different angles of photography yeild different results. You can't go by one picture. Here are two views of the same seated quarter shot at different angles.

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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Caution would be advised!!!
  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,683 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>From what I've heard, those sellers crack out low grade and problem proofs and sell them raw. Beware. >>


    I've always been impressed by their (GSC) ability to get top dollar for minor problem and/or overgraded coins month after month on fleabay.....not that this is something I care to do, just an observation.
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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>From what I've heard, those sellers crack out low grade and problem proofs and sell them raw. Beware. >>



    I asked this seller why he did not have such nice pieces graded. He replied, "He does not play that game". image
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  • CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    As others point out it is too good to be true. The photo is flooded with light washing out any hairlines or other details so we can't really say why this coin didn't slab. Its one thing if you view the coin in hand, love it and don't care if it won't slab, its another thing to see an over exposed photo on eBay...
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>From what I've heard, those sellers crack out low grade and problem proofs and sell them raw. Beware. >>



    I asked this seller why he did not have such nice pieces graded. He replied, "He does not play that game". image >>



    Yeah, he plays the "sell them on eBay with angled photos hiding the hairlines and see if they stick to some sucker that doesn't know better" game, IMO. On the bright side, he does have a good return policy.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What Carl said.
  • Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>From what I've heard, those sellers crack out low grade and problem proofs and sell them raw. Beware. >>



    Their claim that they're selling raw coins due to requests by their customers doesn't pass the laugh test.
  • Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>From what I've heard, those sellers crack out low grade and problem proofs and sell them raw. Beware. >>


    I've always been impressed by their (GSC) ability to get top dollar for minor problem and/or overgraded coins month after month on fleabay.....not that this is something I care to do, just an observation. >>



    You should be suspicious of shill bidding, not impressed.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    At least they give you 10 business days to notify them if you want to return a item. Thats pretty good.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    That is pretty strong money for a raw one. Here is one I bought slabbed by PCGS:
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're joking, right? It's circulated.
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    I am sure what dizzyfoxx means is that the photo looks beautiful


    when I see beautiful photos from them and MTC3015 I print them out because I am sure the coin will look nothing as good as the photo and I will have paid at least 50% too much for what I got
  • marmacmarmac Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭
    the pictures scream run.....
  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What TomB said, it could be circulated. Might be AT as well.
    Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
  • stinkinlincolnstinkinlincoln Posts: 2,733 ✭
    Hasnt this seller been discussed here at length?



    Raw? Proof? Ebay? Ill pass.

    edited to add: I agree with TomB aswell. Looks circulated.....
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PF55.

    Seriously.

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PF55.

    Seriously. >>



    I saw that too. the photo looks like that but the light is so bright it could just be the high points are whited out. --Jerry
  • MoneyCollectorMoneyCollector Posts: 451 ✭✭✭
    Looks like something going on in the "Half Dol" lettering also.
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  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    I bought a raw proof morgan from them. I could not get it returned fast enough. I actually had to file with PP to get my money back. The day i filed the claim he refunded. I have bought very few raw coins since then on ebay. Most of the time it is cheaper to buy a graded one.
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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What Carl said.
    Larry

  • RaginsteveKRaginsteveK Posts: 511
    I'll be glad to supply several first hand experiences with raw too-good-to-be-true coins from this seller (and another) to anyone who PMs me.
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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    That seller has had several raw 1853 quarters that had great looking pics. As my finger hung over the mouse key with my heart screaming yes... my mind won the day saying no.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    High volume ebay crapster selling high value raw coins -- 99% chance the coin is a problem cleaned/hairlined piece of crap.

    Of course, Dizzy might be one of those savvy 1% who can pick out the good raw coins from this seller.
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  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    While slabs are far from perfect, I would never consider a coin like this raw unless I had a gaurentee it would slab when sent in.
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Long ago, MikeinFla steered me away from this seller and I'm so glad he did!
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