1936 Proof Cents [Photos by commoncents05] UPDATE: GRADE IN!

devious

UPDATE: 08/20/2009

The grades are in. Wow! i submitted regular submission and it was received on the 17th and it is now the 20th and i just received email saying grades were in!

So alas, here it is for that 1936 proof. Not bad considering it was free after I sold off other bunch of coins that you see photos of below in the original message[s] below. Anyways, i thought this was pretty RAD for a 342 dollar raw coin purchase off of ebay that came with almost all the other proofs. I chose not to submit those for grading but may be kicking myself now. Paul's assessment was 63/64RB...but the die polishing lines made it complicated. So I am *EXTREMELY* happy with this grade. *woot!* I think it may just fit into my box of 20 now.

1 1 15707524 3335 1936 1C Brilliant US PR65RD

Best-

Aaron

Updated with pictures from Paul aka commoncents05 photos in case you don't want to move on to the second page.

And a cut and paste of my message on the second page:

Well, Paul, you beat me to it.

I owe Paul a big thank you for offering to inspect and analyze them as he did. And another thank you for the unsuspecting photos that popped up showing them far better than the photos I had posted here. And mostly, I was happy to hear about the 36. It was a small chance that paid off. Because I think I already have mentioned it, I spent 346 dollars on these on a poorly listed ebay lot. It paid off. These weren't the only cents in the lot. There were a lot of unc 40's and 50's varieties as well. Those were all pretty low mint state.

Again, thank you Paul. I can't extend enough thanks for doing that for me and your time and statements are totally appreciated as you already know. I'll repost those photos in the first post.

RedHerring

Tough to tell from those pics but I'd call it Brilliant Proof.

lasvegasteddy

i can't even guess if they are...proof from those shots

i've owned both and know the fields are watery mirrored on brill's and subdued on the satin

commoncents05

Based on those photos, I don't think it's a Proof. Possibly a polished Business Strike, but I don't think it's a Proof (based on those photos)

-Paul

BillJones

<< <i>Based on those photos, I don't think it's a Proof. Possibly a polished Business Strike, but I don't think it's a Proof (based on those photos)

-Paul >>



Polished business strike is always a consideration with these coins. I would either go with a certified satin finish Proof (or insist that the seller give you a return privilege subject to satin Proof certification), or a brilliant Proof. Most collectors can tell the difference between a business strike the brilliant Proof, but the satin Proofs can be trickier. The 1936 Proof coins are dangerous for some people to purchase raw because all of them are scarce and the incentive to make polished fakes is high.

devious

I'll take some new photos of the coins when they arrive. Here were the other alleged proof cents in the lot. I didn't think too highly of these photographs I received...But I'm going to take the seller's word on it that they are indeed proofs. Guess the proof will be in the pudding [delivery of coins!] I'll keep this thread posted.

BillJones

Going by the photos the 1939 is most convincing of that group. Going by the photo I don't care for the 1940 at all, but it might be okay. These photos are too poor to decide too much about these coins.

devious

<< <i>Going by the photos the 1939 is most convincing of that group. Going by the photo I don't care for the 1940 at all, but it might be okay. These photos are too poor to decide too much about these coins. >>



Here's my original photo I had to go by... So I guess those were better than nothing [requested from the seller]. Again, I'll keep the thread posted and provide better photos if they are indeed proofs. Doing the proof lincoln thing for my son right now since he wanted me to sell off his proof franklin collection I was assembling. I thought kids liked bigger coins. But I was wrong. He loves the lincoln!

guitarwes

good luck with that one. keep us posted.

lusterlover

Here's a picture of my '36 PR 64 R Brilliant for comparison. That one looks a little funky IMHO.

pennyannie

The pics really suck but i assume you scored a good price? I hope they turn out proof.

dorkkarl

those look like proofs but pretty low end

K S

BadgerRay

OK..... this is something that has bothered me for quite a long time.

What are the telltale signs for raw coins that they are proof and not uncirculated? Are these signs different for Lincolns vs. Mercury dimes vs. whatever.....

Please enlighten me..........

THANKS


Ray

Rampage

Sorry, I am with the previous posters. Those look like polished business strike cents. If they are proofs, then the seller would have made much more money with better pictures. Good luck with your purchase. I do hope it works in your favor. I've made similar transactions on eBay before. Some worked out, some did not. But, the better majority worked out and far outweighed the losers. ")

devious

Not the best photos, a quick snapshot of what arrived today [at least some of them] It turns out the 1936 is a brilliant and is all red which has something going for it. BUT, it has an awful lot of polish lines and with that a few hairlines. One of the proofs had been harshly wiped on the left side of Mr. Lincoln sadly, but still worthy of the 346 bucks paid for the lot. :-)

Anyways, here's the silly photos.

BadgerRay

OK........ so I still don't get it if I had say a 1940 proof PR65 next to a MS65 of the same date how would they look different. I am not trying to judge the original posters coins but my question is more of a general one.

Two coins side by side ............ spot the proof???

anyone??

THANKS

Ray

devious

A forum member has offered to examine these for me before sending them off to our friendly host for encapsulation. Some things are questionable.

To Ray: Side by side, I'd say look at the fields. The proof will reflect a heckuvalot more than a business strike. If you have a magnifier handy, look at the rims, you will see more of a rounded edge on a business strike while you would see a sharp straight edge with a proof, at least most of the time. There are likely instances where the rim check doesn't apply.

291fifth

Useless photos.

coinman420

<< <i>OK..... this is something that has bothered me for quite a long time.

What are the telltale signs for raw coins that they are proof and not uncirculated? Are these signs different for Lincolns vs. Mercury dimes vs. whatever.....

Please enlighten me..........

THANKS


Ray >>



a proof will have squared off rims and business strike will be rounded.

commoncents05

I received the coins today (I realize the pictures are gone) but they are all Proofs. Low to mid grades, 63-64 most are RB. The 1936 is a Brilliant Proof.

-Paul

commoncents05

I took some photos:

lasvegasteddy

wow...yup they're proofs...congrats

the 36' is sweet all in all...best date too

so how was the deal in price for um?

personally...i'd soak um for like a year in olive oil

stinkinlincoln

Glad to hear they all turned out to be what they were claimed to be. The 36 is a spot free sweet looking coin. I dont see a single carbon spot on that bad boy. Ive seen some dogs too in PCGS slabs.


The other coins are a bust for me, as soon as I see green on red, its a wrap.


Good pickup though all things considering.

devious

Well, Paul, you beat me to it.

I owe Paul a big thank you for offering to inspect and analyze them as he did. And another thank you for the unsuspecting photos that popped up showing them far better than the photos I had posted here. And mostly, I was happy to hear about the 36. It was a small chance that paid off. Because I think I already have mentioned it, I spent 346 dollars on these on a poorly listed ebay lot. It paid off. These weren't the only cents in the lot. There were a lot of unc 40's and 50's varieties as well. Those were all pretty low mint state.

Again, thank you Paul. I can't extend enough thanks for doing that for me and your time and statements are totally appreciated as you already know. I'll repost those photos in the first post.

devious

to the top. Grades is in, please see update in first post.

lusterlover

Congrats! That's a nice score for what you paid. The original picture did not do it justice. I'm jealous

devious

<< <i>Congrats! That's a nice score for what you paid. The original picture did not do it justice. I'm jealous >>



Thanks! And the original photo did not do the lot justice. But hey, it all paid out in the end. Woot!