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The Official Longacre Travel Report-- the Silk Market in Beijing, China: a day in pictures...

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
As I write these words gentle reader, I am a happy camper. After nearly a week of eating Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese, and last night a first for me--bullfrog, I happily ditched my Chinese colleagues and ate dinner alone at the Hard Rock Cafe. After a plate of buffalo chicken wings, a BBQ bacon cheddar burger, and a beer, I am satisfied and ready to recount my day in Beijing for the boards.

The day started at approximately 10 AM, as I left the hotel and ventured to the Silk Market in Beijing. I have been there before, but today I felt energized and ready to negotiate hard with the locals. For those of you who don't know the Silk Market, it is a seven floor department store size building, but it is set up with little stalls where people sell their wares. By many accounts, nearly every single thing in the entire market is counterfeit, or a "copy" as the locals put it.

Here are pictures of the exterior of the building:

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Here is a picture of what is looks like inside.

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Before we get to the coins, here are the things that I bought (for a song, mind you):

Some Polo shirts for Mrs. L, and the three kids:

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Here is a close up of the tags (if they have tags, they have to be legit image)

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Another gift for Mrs. Longacre-- a scarf made out of excessively rare Chinese wool (the lady said it is better than cashmire):

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Some Wii games and a DS game for the kids. I bought more at this stall because some cute little cupcake was selling the items. I asked what her tee shirt said (it was hard to read it for some reason. The shirt read "Chanel", come to find out), and she replied, "I bought it here. It's a copy." image

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And, of course, Longacre had to pick up a thing or two for himself. Here are some Ray-Ban sunglasses:

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And a very expensive Patek Phillipe watch, which cost the princely sum of $10:

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I could not tear myself away from the Breitling display, and drove a hard bargain for this one:

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Finally, I made my way to the booths which sell numismatic properties, and bought these four coins for $1.50 (close up pictures to follow). I did not find any slabs, although there were a lot of coins in vinyl albums.


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Here is the 1843 seated obverse:

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Reverse:

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Edge:


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Here is the other seated dollar:

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The Trade dollar:

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Finally, the Peace dollar, which I intend to submit to PCGS upon my return. This is at least an AU58, with the typical weak strike for the date:

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Located across the street from the Silk Market was this store; I was going to flip the coins for an Obscene Profit, but I thought I would try my luck selling them to RYK first image

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The command center where I wrote this thread:

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Always took candy from strangers
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)

Comments

  • Thanks for sharing. Great pictures! Nice looking shades too! Keep us updated on that Peace Dollar grade after you get it back from PCGS.
  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow....the attention to detail in the copies is amazing! 1922 Peace copy...now there is a common coin that I would not have thought was copied at all. When you get back it would be interesting to hear about the weight etc.

    Sounds like you had a fun trip! Thanks for sharing the photos and notes!

    K
    ANA LM
  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most cool thread, xie xie. I'll be waiting for the experts to chime in on the tell-tale signs of the counterfeits. Jeez Louise, a couple of them are scary! Those reeded edges look pretty good to me...
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pictures can be worth more than a thousand words...

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see the "gash-in-the-shield" Seated Dollar fake is still making the rounds-- "the die that would not die"

    Thanks for the photos and the narrative-- No pic of the cupcake who sold you the DVD's?image
  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭

    If I were in your exalted position I would be more than ready to fly home. Great pics. Great reporting. Thanks for the post image
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't believe those "copies."

    Thanks for the pics!
  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice pics and commentary, Longacre.... but, where's the smoking jacket??

    'dude
    Got Crust....y gold?
  • tmcsr69tmcsr69 Posts: 1,307
    Very interesting report-Thanks!
    Crazy old man from Missouri
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1872 S Trade Dollar. You know how to pick them, sir. image Either a stroke of luck or genius.
    Are you sure them buffalo wings came from a chicken and not a buffalo ?
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When eating bullfrog, which end do you start from? Is it proper etiquette to wear a bib?
  • Great post!

    Who is John Galt?
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    You will or course have the word COPY stamped into them when you get back into the country?
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • Great Pictures... those copy coins are really scary for average collector!
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  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478
    Cool story and great pics to go with it. I would be curious to know if the Wii games work when you get home.
    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool! image
  • Great report. If a picture is worth a thousand words you could have typed all night. Excellent.
    OLDER IS BETTER
  • that's a wake up call. thanks for posting.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,337 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for sharing. Glad I don't have dialup connection!

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great post.

    Hey Kaz. If you ever get the chance to eat frog legs give it a try.They are just delicious.
    Like chicken but better.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    How do you know if the frogs you ate were real? Maybe they were puppies or kittensimage------------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • RickMilauskasRickMilauskas Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭
    You didn't happen to have some sushi with Q. David Bowers?
  • intenceintence Posts: 1,255
    thanks for sharing. china looks amazing. im sure the food alone is worth the trip
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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Most excellent report. Thanks!!!

  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    Great post Mike -
  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975
    That picture of Longacre makes me suspicious. I think a Chinese knock-off started this thread.
  • AtlanticAtlantic Posts: 573
    Great post, thanks for sharing,,
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great post.

    Hey Kaz. If you ever get the chance to eat frog legs give it a try.They are just delicious.
    Like chicken but better. >>



    LOL, I was envisioning Longacre with an entire frog on a plate. How else do you know it's a bullfrog?

    (I bet the hamburger was horse!:Funnyimage
  • NicNic Posts: 3,398 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for sharing!

    K
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can just hear the ringleader now: "Go ahead and make another batch of them counterfeits!!!! Some Yankee sucker just bought our last four!!!!!"
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    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great report, but where's the two girls you mentioned the other day image
  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Great report, but where's the two girls you mentioned the other day image >>


    Back in Costa Rica image

    Longacre - wonder how much you paid for the shirts? Similar ones are available on Canal St in NYC for $10-15, however, the only thing you have to be careful about is the sizes marked on the labels are often wrong.
    Will you be listing those coins on Ebay? image
  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Longacre - wonder how much you paid for the shirts? Similar ones are available on Canal St in NYC for $10-15, however, the only thing you have to be careful about is the sizes marked on the labels are often wrong. >>



    You also have to worry that they won't fall apart the first time you wash them.

    Also, please let us know if the Patek Phillippe watch lasts longer than 3 months before breaking.

    Beware re-entering US. customs -- if they decide to do a random search of your stuff and find all those bootlegs you may be in a heap o' trouble, boy!
    Me at the Springfield coin show:
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    60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    China is one of the few places where one

    can buy GENUINE FORGERIES CHEAP!
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the report and pics! Were you in China on business?
  • FilthyBrokeFilthyBroke Posts: 3,518
    Thanks for the pics, I enjoyed it.image Looks like a fun time!
  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    Those are the high quality watches for $10, the Omegas we picked up over there last year still keep time great. That is one of my favorite stores in Beijing, if you get a chance also try the outdoor antique market.
  • PreTurbPreTurb Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭
    cool... thanks!!!
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    Great info thanks! Is the Yuan still about 1/8th of a dollar?

    P.S. Having eaten frogs legs once myself, I would go for bullfrog over "... a BBQ bacon cheddar burger...."
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • Neat report, thanks! I now feel connected with the global economy. The world is flat. We are all brothers and sisters.

    So do the Chinese invent anything? It seems if they produced their own extraordinarily beautiful coins the world would recognize the intrinsic value of their original art work. If that happened would they seem inclined to protect intellectual property by upholding global patents and copyrights? I think so.

    I must admit those watches are nice looking copies.

    I do appreciate the photos and the time you took to keep in touch!
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks - great report!
  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825


    << <i>...So do the Chinese invent anything? ... >>



    I ate lunch at Panda Express today. I like Chinese food. I'll bet they invented that. image
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Let us know how your PCGS submission goes. image

    They really should start slabbing counterfeits with big bold counterfeit lettering, it would be could to build a few sets. image
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,607 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << ...So do the Chinese invent anything? ... >>
    I bought a beautiful large tapestry while there in 1991 and had it framed.

    Mike, rather than sending the Peace $ to PCGS, I'd send in the Trade $. That 1872 S is a very scarce dateimage
    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • labloverlablover Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I could not tear myself away from the Breitling display, and drove a hard bargain for this one: >>



    Oh my, if your still there I'll take one of these, or on your next trip if it's not a knock-off. No kidding!!! Send me a PM
    "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Ms Liberty on the Peace Dollar,

    is in serious need of a nose job.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Great post.

    Hey Kaz. If you ever get the chance to eat frog legs give it a try.They are just delicious.
    Like chicken but better. >>



    LOL, I was envisioning Longacre with an entire frog on a plate. How else do you know it's a bullfrog?

    (I bet the hamburger was horse!:Funnyimage >>




    Best cheeseburger I've ever had was in Hong Kong. Great prime beef, excellent cheese, fried onions, with a fried egg on top. ( Yolk still a little runny ) Yum!

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