Odd DC D reverse doubling

Cam40

I bought 5 rolls from the bank today and only opened one and found this;

There are five areas of doubling I can find.
1-3) the Ell in Ellington
4) doubled Eb key on the piano
5) below the keys on the piano is a slanted line

Unlike my last struck-through dropped filling `Y` find
this odd doubling DC quarter cant be the only one to exist.
I just cant wait for more people to report it , for anyone that might
think its an April Fools joke thread or something.
Its not. Scout`s Honor and all that.

coinkid855

WHOA! That is a serious spread!! You might have something here!



-Paul

YaHa

The portrait looks like Mr Bill.. Oh no!!!! Cool d/d.. to bad for the tick marks to the right of the piano and near the bottom. Could get a high grade..

19Lyds

Very Cool and I would not call that odd! I'd call it a "Major" find!

Cam40

Overall I would say the coin is in the 65 range actually.
I feel a bit lucky in that it was one of the better examples in the roll.
One or two,normal quarters,in the roll I think is are 66s atleast.
note to self; go back for more rolls tomorrow....

NumisOxide

Wow nice find!

19Lyds

<< <i>Overall I would say the coin is in the 65 range actually.
I feel a bit lucky in that it was one of the better examples in the roll.
One or two,normal quarters,in the roll I think is are 66s atleast.
note to self; go back for more rolls tomorrow.... >>



Add a PS on that Note: Pick 19Lyds up about 20 rolls while you're there!

Cam40

i dont know Lee, i dont take well to `the evil eye`

coinkid855

If you find more, I'll buy one!



-Paul

19Lyds

<< <i>i dont know Lee, i dont take well to `the evil eye`
>>



Thats not an "evil" eye!


Its a "discerning" eye!



My reading eye rarely gets used!



Or is it my brain? I forget!

19Lyds

Here's my evil eye working with my reading eye. Can you tell which is which??



Neither can eye!


BTW, I would have gotten closer but my nose keeps getting in the way!

commoncents05

A huge doubled die! That is quite a find!!!

-Paul

Cam40

.....must..send..20 ..rolls.. to.. dollar..town...must.. send....20...

coinkid855

Forget 19Lyds and send me a few rolls!!







-Paul

GoldenEyeNumismatics

You just made a huge discovery.

I have a feeling this will rank up there with the 1995 DDO Lincoln.

coinkid855

Cam40, If you don't mind me asking, what state do you live in? I want to go buy some rolls on eBay, and I want to make sure they're at least from the same state as yours came from.



Thanks!



-Paul

Cam40

Texas Bank in Houston (west)

frnklnlvr

My bank still has plenty of rolls. They're P-mint though.

BTW, most of the State quarter doubled dies are P-mint. This is probably one of the few D-mint.

You should send it to Wexler to have it listed.

gonzer

That's some strange doubling there! How did only the first three letters get hubbed like that? Possibly there would be remnants of "INGTON" under the piano keys, judging by the angle. The deep incused portion of the keys precludes those letters from showing.

edix2001

<< <i>Texas Bank in Houston (west) >>



I've only picked up five or so DC quarters so far in Houston, all from the same roll, without any such doubling.
Are these Ps or Ds?

coinkid855

Ok, I have four rolls coming to me from eBay. Hopefully I'll get extremely lucky!




-Paul

slipgate

This is VERY cool! Nice find!

Mar327

VERY nice find, lucky you - I think you found a major DD there.

Oh and Lee, that's a VERY evil looking doubled eye!

19Lyds

<< <i>That's some strange doubling there! How did only the first three letters get hubbed like that? Possibly there would be remnants of "INGTON" under the piano keys, judging by the angle. The deep incused portion of the keys precludes those letters from showing. >>



I think its Tilted Hub doubling similar to what occured on the Minnesota Extra Tree quarters.

From here:

The area of doubling on all varieties reported thus far represents the virtual dead center of the coin’s design. This is an important key their attribution because specialists believe they are the result of tilted hubs that were seated into proper position during hubbing.

Tilted Hub Doubling restricted to such a small area of design within the center region of the die is possible due to the result of either of two related scenarios.

1) The hub is backed off after the initial kiss of the hub into a tilted die blank and is then reset properly and hubbed again.

2) The hub and die blank are titled in relation to each other and are then forced to seat into proper position by hubbing pressure within a split second after the initial kiss of the hub into the tip of the die blank.

The face of a die blank (referred to as a “die block” in Mint jargon) is machined with a slightly conical configuration to aid in the flow of metal during hubbing. This would indicate that the initial kiss of a hub into a die blank would be restricted to this centralized area before continuing on to fill out the rest of the design. During this process the tip of a titled die blank would be positioned slightly off location away from the center of the hub into a different area of design than intended and thus the misplaced area of doubling on the affected die.

Smittys

Nice find

coinkid855

This can't slip down to the third page... I really want to see what Fred has to say about this coin. I agree with Will in his statement that this is one of the biggest finds since the 1995 DDO Cent...




-Paul

FredWeinberg

Based on the scan only, and not having the coin
'in hand' to examine, it does appear to be a genuine
Doubled Die Quarter, and a nice one at that!

You need to get the coin to Ken Potter, for example,
so he can examine it. This could be a very significant
discovery.

I've been in the Die Room at the Phily. Mint, and I think
that the #2 explaination (above message) is probably
correct.

Can we get other close up scans of other central portions
of the coin - it would be great if there's other doubled
design elements in those central areas.......

Fred

CaptHenway

FWIW, one of the dealers on our dealer-to-dealer network reported these about a month ago, but he never sent me any pictures.
TD

19Lyds

<< <i>FWIW, one of the dealers on our dealer-to-dealer network reported these about a month ago, but he never sent me any pictures.
TD >>



Awww Man! There goes the glory!

GoldenEyeNumismatics

I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss.

mach19

<< <i>I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss. >>



You did'nt get them all

GoldenEyeNumismatics

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<< <i>I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss. >>



You did'nt get them all

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Now I did

Purchased about $1000 face value so far...

mach19

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<< <i>I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss. >>



You did'nt get them all

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Now I did

Purchased about $1000 face value so far... >>




I wish you the best of luck my friend. I purchased a few rolls myself

GoldenEyeNumismatics

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<< <i>I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss. >>



You did'nt get them all

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Now I did

Purchased about $1000 face value so far... >>




I wish you the best of luck my friend. I purchased a few rolls myself >>



I don't intend to open many of them. I'll flip them still sealed on eBay when hysteria sets in!

coinkid855

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<< <i>I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss. >>



You did'nt get them all

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Now I did

Purchased about $1000 face value so far... >>




I wish you the best of luck my friend. I purchased a few rolls myself >>



I don't intend to open many of them. I'll flip them still sealed on eBay when hysteria sets in! >>




Haha, good idea Will. I bought 4 rolls. I intend to open them all.


Edit: Make that 8. I just got four more from some guy in Mesquite, Texas. You didn't get quite all of them!



-Paul

Top50SetBuilder

absolutely amazing

Manorcourtman

Please....more pics!! Totally awesome coin!! Something tells me eBay will be void of Denver DC quarters soon!!

Cam40

Tilted hub doubling. That sounds right from the explaination of what type of hub doubling this is.
I wasnt sure and hadnt yet researched it further. Thanks for doing the leg-work Lee.

grabba

<< <i>Tilted hub doubling. That sounds right from the explaination of what type of hub doubling this is.
I wasnt sure and hadnt yet researched it further. Thanks for doing the leg-work Lee.
>>



So, what exactly would that mean? A true doubling and a chance there are more or would this be the only one?

GoldenEyeNumismatics

<< <i>

<< <i>Tilted hub doubling. That sounds right from the explaination of what type of hub doubling this is.
I wasnt sure and hadnt yet researched it further. Thanks for doing the leg-work Lee.
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So, what exactly would that mean? A true doubling and a chance there are more or would this be the only one? >>



There are definitely more.

grabba

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<< <i>Tilted hub doubling. That sounds right from the explaination of what type of hub doubling this is.
I wasnt sure and hadnt yet researched it further. Thanks for doing the leg-work Lee.
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So, what exactly would that mean? A true doubling and a chance there are more or would this be the only one? >>



There are definitely more. >>



Cool beans. Thanks.

richbeat

Thanks cam for the info! Finally I'm in the right place at the right time to have a chance (however slim) to find one or more of these.

JRocco

Hey Cam40

That is really awesome.
Major congrats on a really nice find.

grabba

Sold out at the mint and very few D mint rolls auctions on Ebay and no BIN auctions.

Geez!

grabba

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<< <i>I just cleaned out eBay of all the DC-Denver rolls available through BIN. This is one boat I refuse to miss. >>



You did'nt get them all

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Now I did

Purchased about $1000 face value so far... >>




I wish you the best of luck my friend. I purchased a few rolls myself >>



I don't intend to open many of them. I'll flip them still sealed on eBay when hysteria sets in! >>




Haha, good idea Will. I bought 4 rolls. I intend to open them all.


Edit: Make that 8. I just got four more from some guy in Mesquite, Texas. You didn't get quite all of them!



-Paul >>



You didn't either!

I think I got the last 4 from the same guy in Mesquite. I'll keep checking though.

mach19

Cam, Did you open the rest of the rolls ?

GoldenEyeNumismatics

Just picked up 10 more rolls from a guy in Houston. Since that's where the OP found the piece, I think I'll definitely be searching those rolls.

Cam40

I havnt opened any more of these rolls yet but do have one sitting here i`m about to check out.
In the meantime,here are some pics i took yesterday but didnt post due to the less than stellar
outcome of my photo skills. anyway, they do still show the doubling despite how they came out.






Then i got out my loupe and tryed to get a better closeup...

Cam40

second roll search yielded zip.
the condition of the coins in the roll looked a bit better though, just no DDRs

Manorcourtman

Sweet!!!! Thanks for the pics! Now if you could only get close-ups of that E!! Makes a person get excited about errors/varieties all over again

Manorcourtman

Anyone have any idea what the die life span might be for State quarters? Would this error probably be limited to just one die??