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Are these considered 1980 Topps Yellow Letter Variations?

BkritzBkritz Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
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I got these Fred Stanleys and John Wathans in a cut card run. They are part YL and part standard Red Letter.

How would psa holder them?

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    BkritzBkritz Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    Boy, that scan is small. Can someone fix it, or tell me how to do so?
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    MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>Boy, that scan is small. Can someone fix it, or tell me how to do so? >>




    Here is a larger scan. With only a 30 KB image it doesn't do well enlarged.

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    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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    MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    This might appear a little better...

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    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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    BkritzBkritz Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    OK. Here is the most yellow of the Stanleys
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    MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭


    << <i>OK. Here is the most yellow of the Stanleys >>



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    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    It appears the Stanley is.

    Cha Ching.

    Steve
    Good for you.
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    packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    isthat really a variation? looks like it is just missing ink when it was printed.
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    BkritzBkritz Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    The other Stanleys have less Yellow and more red and the Wathans just have a touch of yellow to varying degrees. It was interesting. As the run continued, the Wathans and Stanleys got more Yellow and then less. Running out of red ink, maybe.

    How much does a psa 8 or maybe 9 Stanley go for?

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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Duncan that is the variation. The red ink ran out.

    Keith could explain it better then I could.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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    packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I was going through some vending boxes the other day and there many cards where the red ink ran out to varying degrees , I thought it was jsut crappy print. why is the stanley so special?
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    justmichaeljustmichael Posts: 1,048
    I have this one that I think is a yellow letter variation.Most the guys on hereagreed it was.

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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Duncan the Stanley is one of (4)? where the red ran out completely.

    Don't you remember Olbermann paying 2 or 3 k for his raw one a few years back?

    I think it is because Yankee collectors want it too that drives up the price.


    Steve
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    packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I went through a couple of boxes , the same cards have the defect everytime so it must have been a row on the sheet or something. there were 4 other cards were 1/2 the banner was yellow on all 4 that I found. these 3 with the poquette being the highest degree all have missing red and look like crap.

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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Duncan not sure about the other 2 but I was under the impression
    the variety was for the following:


    Yellow name variations: 9 Braun, 387 Wathan 537 Stanley, 597 Poquette


    Steve
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    BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    Here's one I received today.

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    You can see the yellow behind the red. Kinda like when a card has that double image look (registration off) but the card is as it should be other then where the name is.

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    I tried to find another image of a regular one online but can't find anything that's scanned big enough to see if the yellow shows like mine.

    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

    My Mess

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    BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    Found a couple images. Not the best but I don't see any yellow showing through.

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    Jeff

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    1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590
    Not that this helps, but here's what I have in my notes..

    1980 Topps
    Yellow/Red names (Possible Red ran out, print flaw) ?
    9 Steve Braun A- Yellow name on front B- Red name on front
    43 Bombo Rivera (unconfirmed) A- Position banner has Red tip B- Position banner has solid colored tip
    59 Eddy Putman A- Yellow smear extending above position banner on front B- No Yellow smear
    153 Tim Blackwell (unconfirmed) A- Position banner has Red tip B- Position banner has normal colored tip
    162 Bob Randall A- Position banner has Blue tip B- Position banner has normal colored tip
    164 Greg Pryor A- No name on front B- Blue name on front
    343 Mike Vail A- Break in left border B- No break in left border
    347 Harry Chappas A- Position banner Red and Yellow B- Position banner all Red
    387 Fred Stanley A- Yellow name on front B- Red name on front
    471 Hosken Powell A- Position banner has Pink tip B- Purple tip
    547 John Wathan A- Yellow name on front B- Red name on front
    563 Wil McEnaney A- Yellow name on front B- Red name on front
    597 Tom Poquette A- Yellow name on front B- Red name on front
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I can confirm the Blackwell I have one.

    Jeff I think your card is simply a registration issue.

    Steve
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    lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Like Steve said, Jeffs are not yellow name variations. The only ones I have seen slabbed have the complete name in solid yellow with no red present at all.
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    1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590


    << <i>I can confirm the Blackwell I have one.


    Steve >>



    Thanks !
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    BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I can confirm the Blackwell I have one.

    Jeff I think your card is simply a registration issue.

    Steve >>



    I know it's not a yellow version but don't see it as a registration problem either.

    All the colors appear where they should be. If it's a simple problem of the red being out of registration at the top it should effect all reds on the card which it doesn't appear to. But my eyes suck. image

    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Jeff

    No, that is not true. Someone that is a stripper could explain it better then I could.

    It is possible for a card to be out of registration at any point and in registration in others.

    The 55 Sandy Koufax is a good example of what I'm talking about.

    Steve
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    BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the info Steve. image

    And is this the Blackwell one?

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    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Yep that is it. I forget who mentioned it existed (Swartz)? I happened to be putting my 80 set
    in pages (around the time of the 80 cello break) and noticed mine was the red tip variety.


    Steve
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    BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    I'd never have noticed that.

    And I found one of Hosken (471 Hosken Powell A- Position banner has Pink tip B- Purple tip) except mine looks like this

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    Jeff

    Miscut Museum

    My Mess

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Stanley in these scans don't look nearly as yellow or as pronounced as the ones I've seen holdered...if PSA were to holder every card missing some red ink, the variation would no longer be rare at all..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590
    Does anyone know if the corrected Blackwell, solid Purple banner, has a full border and if all of the errors have the break? (upper right)


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    mmyncmmync Posts: 678 ✭


    << <i>Duncan that is the variation. The red ink ran out.

    Keith could explain it better then I could.


    Steve >>





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    Steve, I think I know why the red ink ran out!!!



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    1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590
    Cool looking card.
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    mmyncmmync Posts: 678 ✭
    Here is another one that I thought was pretty cool. Other then the left border, the borders look pretty white.





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    1989FleerBillRipkencollector1989FleerBillRipkencollector Posts: 4,590
    Duffy "Uniform" Dyer

    This matches his expression....

    "Who just said violet is ghey?"
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Swartz is the person that turned us on regarding the Blackwell.

    Yes there is both varietys.


    Pm him for more details.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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    Dand52261Dand52261 Posts: 180
    Will PSA grade these? A raw Stanley went for over $500 last week. I think one graded at least authentic with some distinction to the error would command some dough.
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    Dand52261Dand52261 Posts: 180
    any ideas about these being graded? PSA, SGC Beckett?
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