<< <i>It is correct that the 2012 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards will be vintage (pre-1981) only. And considering that the publisher no longer has a modern card cataloger/price guide guy on staff, it is unlikely that the company will ever produce another post-1980 catalog. >>
Wow, that is unfortunate. It's not like there is a whole lot of new pre 1980 stuff being found at this point. Sounds like a one man operation with no new info. I wish they would also incorporate a pre 1980 alphabetical player list. I don't even think BEckett is making a new player checklist anymore.
CURRENT PROJECTS IN WORK: To be honest, no direction, but... 1966-69 Topps EX+ 1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9 All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
I have been reading this forum off and on for the better part of its existance, but this is the first time I have felt the urge to post. I don't have a lot of information to add, which is probably not surprising, but I have a couple questions to ask.
1. To all of you that have one of these Frank Thomas NNOF in your posession, do they all have a very small portion of the "F" in the blue name block, and the top right portion of the "S" in "Topps" and the (R)?
2. I just began my hunt for one of these cards. I am not interested in buing one outright. The search is more fun for me. I am now 30 boxes deep into my search, with a unopened case on its way. Are there any indications that I might find one of these cards prior to opening the case?
I really appreciate this forum, and am amazed at all of your dedication to this great find.
<< <i>I have been reading this forum off and on for the better part of its existance, but this is the first time I have felt the urge to post. I don't have a lot of information to add, which is probably not surprising, but I have a couple questions to ask.
1. To all of you that have one of these Frank Thomas NNOF in your posession, do they all have a very small portion of the "F" in the blue name block, and the top right portion of the "S" in "Topps" and the (R)?
2. I just began my hunt for one of these cards. I am not interested in buing one outright. The search is more fun for me. I am now 30 boxes deep into my search, with a unopened case on its way. Are there any indications that I might find one of these cards prior to opening the case?
I really appreciate this forum, and am amazed at all of your dedication to this great find. >>
The NNOF cards do show part of the S in the Topps logo. I pulled my NNOF Thomas cards from retail wax packs.
<< <i>I have been reading this forum off and on for the better part of its existance, but this is the first time I have felt the urge to post. I don't have a lot of information to add, which is probably not surprising, but I have a couple questions to ask.
1. To all of you that have one of these Frank Thomas NNOF in your posession, do they all have a very small portion of the "F" in the blue name block, and the top right portion of the "S" in "Topps" and the (R)? >>
<< <i>Just out of curiosity, what is the population of BGS 8.5's or better. I checked PSA today and there are still only 18 graded at PSA 9. And IIRC the PSA 10 was a blank back? >>
Don't know if this is accurate or not but found it on eBay. So it must be correct! :-)
Looking at the different pictures of this card, I see some that have a small portion of black ink inside the light blue box (around where the bottom left corner of the "F" in Frank Thomas would be), and some that do not.
Update on my search... As expected, I am one case down, and 11 other unopened boxes into this, and I have not found anything of note except a smudge of black ink on the Ricky Horton card on the "N" in his name...
There was a lot number or something on the case. "120101" I have noticed a case on eBay that has the number "111403" on the side. Anybody have any idea what this number is, and if the lower the number, the more likely of finding one of these cards in the case?
<< <i>Looking at the different pictures of this card, I see some that have a small portion of black ink inside the light blue box (around where the bottom left corner of the "F" in Frank Thomas would be), and some that do not.
Update on my search... As expected, I am one case down, and 11 other unopened boxes into this, and I have not found anything of note except a smudge of black ink on the Ricky Horton card on the "N" in his name...
There was a lot number or something on the case. "120101" I have noticed a case on eBay that has the number "111403" on the side. Anybody have any idea what this number is, and if the lower the number, the more likely of finding one of these cards in the case? >>
Your "mission" sounds a lot like the one I was on a few years ago - trying various cases trying to pull a NNOF Thomas. Based on the fact that there were not many printed and that I pulled mine from a retail wax case( and GIGFY remembers pulling his from a pack he bought from a grocery store), chances are that is the only product that would have contained them. Although if there were other types of packaging taking place at the same time in the same area of the factory, you never know. I also have been trying to figure out (with no luck) exactly what those 6 digit numbers mean on the outside of the old Topps wax/cello/vending/set cases. And if similar numbering on different types of cases means anything.
As far as the question of whether it will get 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith attention, I think it will sell for even more than the recent Ozzie that sold for $20, 000.
I have been noticing this card really picking up steam in the past year and I would expect it to bring a very strong number for sure.
What is especially interesting to me is the folks at SCP I think agree with Rookie Wax. If you look at many of the cards featured in this auction, many have relatively low opening bids. In the first three pages of the auction preview there are just a handful of cards with an opening bid of $3,000 or higher. Many of these cards have sold for large amounts in the past. The Rickey Henderson and Ozzie Smith PSA 10's have a $2,000 opening bid. It appears to me that many have an opening bid of approximately 10% of recent selling prices or projected one's.
With this card being the cornerstone of a modern card collection I could see this card bringing a shocking number especially with the 1/1 designation. If a few of the deeper pocket collectors really want this card it is going to go nuts for sure.
Buying: Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon 80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name" 90 ProSet Dexter Manley error 90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back 1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”) 81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat) 91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>There isn't actually a PSA 10 NNOF. It was a regular RC that was labeled as a NNOF. Mechanical error that we want to try to get off the registry. >>
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Ross knows his Frank Thomas so if one does exists it came along very recently.
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<< There isn't actually a PSA 10 NNOF. It was a regular RC that was labeled as a NNOF. Mechanical error that we want to try to get off the registry. >>
Yes there is a PSA 10 NNOF that is a regular name on front card out there that is an mechanical error I know me and Ross believed that this card was the PSA 10 NNOF Pop 1. I have no idea were this card came from but I can say looking at the back of that card with the way the black is bleeding and running there is no way that should be a PSA 10 a PSA 8 at best.
The DY PSA 10 was unveiled at the National in 2010 if I remember correctly. When I posted that, there was no actual 10 on the pop report. It made me happy though because I think my 9 is just as nice.
<< <i><< There isn't actually a PSA 10 NNOF. It was a regular RC that was labeled as a NNOF. Mechanical error that we want to try to get off the registry. >>
Yes there is a PSA 10 NNOF that is a regular name on front card out there that is an mechanical error I know me and Ross believed that this card was the PSA 10 NNOF Pop 1. I have no idea were this card came from but I can say looking at the back of that card with the way the black is bleeding and running there is no way that should be a PSA 10 a PSA 8 at best.
James >>
AGREE!!!! Also, the bottom right corner is pretty weak for a 10. Someone is going to overpay for the label here because I know there are nicer PSA 9's out there for sure.
Not a modern guy, but I came across this thread and found it really awesome, so instead of loading up on lottery tickets I thought it would be more fun if I bought a sealed wax case. the case came from a guy in New Jersey (I read earlier in the thread that supposedly most of the NNOFs came from eastern Ohio/PA/NY/NJ area. I plan on ripping at some point and looking for the other blackless cards as well as they also seem to be in demand..Wish me luck!
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<< <i>Not a modern guy, but I came across this thread and found it really awesome, so instead of loading up on lottery tickets I thought it would be more fun if I bought a sealed wax case. the case came from a guy in New Jersey (I read earlier in the thread that supposedly most of the NNOFs came from eastern Ohio/PA/NY/NJ area. I plan on ripping at some point and looking for the other blackless cards as well as they also seem to be in demand..Wish me luck! >>
Good luck with the rip. Until recently, I was nearly convinced that the 1990 Topps blackless errors only made their way into the retail wax packs. But a few months ago I pulled a No Name Thomas card and 5 of the other blackless errors from a regular 36 pack wax box (the green box with Griffey on the front). That box did not contain any non-errors (all potential errors were indeed errors). I also started to open a second box from the same purchase and pulled another of the blackless cards after opening 6 packs. The remaining 30 packs in that box will remain sealed in my safety deposit box.
Yeah, the seller is trying to be cute. I made the mistake of buying two of their packs for $24.99/ea and I had to open a case to get my money back. I knew there were no Thomas NNOF in those packs but I thought the listings were for boxes since those Michigan boxes usually sell for around $25 and they had pictures of boxes (not packs) in the listings. They basically stopped responding to my messages and forced me to open a paypal case. I wouldn't buy a cup of water off them if my beanbag was on fire.
<< <i>THESE are the only 1990 Topps Error Packs that exist as far as I know.
>>
I will pay double what BBCE is selling their boxes for! >>
The packs I've had since my childhood look like those, & the ones I saw on ebay the seller is from Delaware and they too look like those in the pic. So there is NO WAY of looking at the packs or boxes and knowing where they came from?
That partial box of error packs ( which may be the only ones in existence) is not for sale. However, if I were to ever sell it to someone who would be interested in opening the packs, I can guarantee that it contains the Blackless errors.
There's no regional-specific info in the Topps product code, so no. No way. With a card like the Thomas and the money it brings, I have no doubt that people will try to tell you that there's a way but there isn't. Caveat emptor.
<< <i>That partial box of error packs ( which may be the only ones in existence) is not for sale. However, if I were to ever sell it to someone who would be interested in opening the packs, I can guarantee that it contains the Blackless errors. >>
<< <i>That partial box of error packs ( which may be the only ones in existence) is not for sale. However, if I were to ever sell it to someone who would be interested in opening the packs, I can guarantee that it contains the Blackless errors. >>
No, you can't. >>
If you open the first pack of a 1990 Topps box and it contains blackless variations, is it not safe to assume there will be more in that box?
It's extremely likely the box contains a bevy of blackless cards; its sister box did and a small sample from the box itself did. That said, it is more likely that the box will sell for maximum value with its contents exposed, rather than as an unopened source. Theoretically, it could hold $10k to even $50k worth of cards if the right number of high grade NNOFs came from the stock; but I doubt anyone would be willing to take more than a $5k gamble on that.
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<< <i>It is correct that the 2012 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards will be vintage (pre-1981) only. And considering that the publisher no longer has a modern card cataloger/price guide guy on staff, it is unlikely that the company will ever produce another post-1980 catalog. >>
Wow, that is unfortunate. It's not like there is a whole lot of new pre 1980 stuff being found at this point. Sounds like a one man operation with no new info. I wish they would also incorporate a pre 1980 alphabetical player list. I don't even think BEckett is making a new player checklist anymore.
To be honest, no direction, but...
1966-69 Topps EX+
1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
1. To all of you that have one of these Frank Thomas NNOF in your posession, do they all have a very small portion of the "F" in the blue name block, and the top right portion of the "S" in "Topps" and the (R)?
2. I just began my hunt for one of these cards. I am not interested in buing one outright. The search is more fun for me. I am now 30 boxes deep into my search, with a unopened case on its way. Are there any indications that I might find one of these cards prior to opening the case?
I really appreciate this forum, and am amazed at all of your dedication to this great find.
<< <i>I had one of those and decided I wanted mine to have a name on the front
Mike, did you sell it? Nice grade by the way...I wouldn't have guess that!
<< <i>
Mike, did you sell it? Nice grade by the way...I wouldn't have guess that! >>
Nope, I didn't sell it. I don't sell my signed rookies unless I have duplicates, by wanting one with a name on front, I was talking about the graph
Mike
<< <i>I have been reading this forum off and on for the better part of its existance, but this is the first time I have felt the urge to post. I don't have a lot of information to add, which is probably not surprising, but I have a couple questions to ask.
1. To all of you that have one of these Frank Thomas NNOF in your posession, do they all have a very small portion of the "F" in the blue name block, and the top right portion of the "S" in "Topps" and the (R)?
2. I just began my hunt for one of these cards. I am not interested in buing one outright. The search is more fun for me. I am now 30 boxes deep into my search, with a unopened case on its way. Are there any indications that I might find one of these cards prior to opening the case?
I really appreciate this forum, and am amazed at all of your dedication to this great find. >>
The NNOF cards do show part of the S in the Topps logo. I pulled my NNOF Thomas cards from retail wax packs.
<< <i>I have been reading this forum off and on for the better part of its existance, but this is the first time I have felt the urge to post. I don't have a lot of information to add, which is probably not surprising, but I have a couple questions to ask.
1. To all of you that have one of these Frank Thomas NNOF in your posession, do they all have a very small portion of the "F" in the blue name block, and the top right portion of the "S" in "Topps" and the (R)? >>
Yes, I think mine does.
cheers
<< <i>Just out of curiosity, what is the population of BGS 8.5's or better. I checked PSA today and there are still only 18 graded at PSA 9. And IIRC the PSA 10 was a blank back? >>
Don't know if this is accurate or not but found it on eBay. So it must be correct! :-)
(0) BGS 10
(0) BGS 9.5
(4) BGS 9
(21) BGS 8.5
seller: jlklemp
listing: BGS 8.5 - NNOF
Edit: Can anyone confirm if this is correct?
Found this Pop report from March, 2009 so it looks like 4 more BGS 8.5's have been identified in the last 3 years.
BGS Pop Report
BGS 3.5 ... 1
BGS 5 ...... 4
BGS 5.5 ... 1
BGS 6 ...... 1
BGS 6.5 ... 3
BGS 7.5 ... 5
BGS 8 ...... 6
BGS 8.5 ... 17
BGS 9 ...... 4
Total 42
cheers,
gigfy
Update on my search... As expected, I am one case down, and 11 other unopened boxes into this, and I have not found anything of note except a smudge of black ink on the Ricky Horton card on the "N" in his name...
There was a lot number or something on the case. "120101" I have noticed a case on eBay that has the number "111403" on the side. Anybody have any idea what this number is, and if the lower the number, the more likely of finding one of these cards in the case?
<< <i>Looking at the different pictures of this card, I see some that have a small portion of black ink inside the light blue box (around where the bottom left corner of the "F" in Frank Thomas would be), and some that do not.
Update on my search... As expected, I am one case down, and 11 other unopened boxes into this, and I have not found anything of note except a smudge of black ink on the Ricky Horton card on the "N" in his name...
There was a lot number or something on the case. "120101" I have noticed a case on eBay that has the number "111403" on the side. Anybody have any idea what this number is, and if the lower the number, the more likely of finding one of these cards in the case? >>
Your "mission" sounds a lot like the one I was on a few years ago - trying various cases trying to pull a NNOF Thomas. Based on the fact that there were not many printed and that I pulled mine from a retail wax case( and GIGFY remembers pulling his from a pack he bought from a grocery store), chances are that is the only product that would have contained them. Although if there were other types of packaging taking place at the same time in the same area of the factory, you never know. I also have been trying to figure out (with no luck) exactly what those 6 digit numbers mean on the outside of the old Topps wax/cello/vending/set cases. And if similar numbering on different types of cases means anything.
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18 PSA 9's
1 PSA 10
Does the 10 get Ozzie Smith type attention?
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>73 PSA 8's( I got the last one at auction)
18 PSA 9's
1 PSA 10
Does the 10 get Ozzie Smith type attention? >>
I believe its discussed in this thread somewhere but the 1 PSA 10 is actually a mislable by PSA. It is the normal card.
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<< <i>
<< <i>73 PSA 8's( I got the last one at auction)
18 PSA 9's
1 PSA 10
Does the 10 get Ozzie Smith type attention? >>
I believe its discussed in this thread somewhere but the 1 PSA 10 is actually a mislable by PSA. It is the normal card. >>
The PSA 10 NNOF Thomas card does exist. Dmitri Young owned it and it is up for sale in the upcoming SCP auction:
Link
As far as the question of whether it will get 1979 Topps Ozzie Smith attention, I think it will sell for even more than the recent Ozzie that sold for $20, 000.
What is especially interesting to me is the folks at SCP I think agree with Rookie Wax. If you look at many of the cards featured in this auction, many have relatively low opening bids. In the first three pages of the auction preview there are just a handful of cards with an opening bid of $3,000 or higher. Many of these cards have sold for large amounts in the past. The Rickey Henderson and Ozzie Smith PSA 10's have a $2,000 opening bid. It appears to me that many have an opening bid of approximately 10% of recent selling prices or projected one's.
With this card being the cornerstone of a modern card collection I could see this card bringing a shocking number especially with the 1/1 designation. If a few of the deeper pocket collectors really want this card it is going to go nuts for sure.
This one will be fun to watch.
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
<< <i>There isn't actually a PSA 10 NNOF. It was a regular RC that was labeled as a NNOF. Mechanical error that we want to try to get off the registry. >>
Back on Page 36
Ross knows his Frank Thomas so if one does exists it came along very recently.
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<< <i>Is this Thomas worth anything?
LINK >>
I swear this link went to the PSA NNOF when I posted it. Back me up Mike!!!!!
jbox
Yes there is a PSA 10 NNOF that is a regular name on front card out there that is an mechanical error I know me and Ross believed that this card was the PSA 10 NNOF Pop 1.
I have no idea were this card came from but I can say looking at the back of that card with the way the black is bleeding and running there is no way that should be a PSA 10
a PSA 8 at best.
James
<< <i><< There isn't actually a PSA 10 NNOF. It was a regular RC that was labeled as a NNOF. Mechanical error that we want to try to get off the registry. >>
Yes there is a PSA 10 NNOF that is a regular name on front card out there that is an mechanical error I know me and Ross believed that this card was the PSA 10 NNOF Pop 1.
I have no idea were this card came from but I can say looking at the back of that card with the way the black is bleeding and running there is no way that should be a PSA 10
a PSA 8 at best.
James >>
AGREE!!!! Also, the bottom right corner is pretty weak for a 10. Someone is going to overpay for the label here because I know there are nicer PSA 9's out there for sure.
jbox
<< <i>
<< <i>Is this Thomas worth anything?
LINK >>
I swear this link went to the PSA NNOF when I posted it. Back me up Mike!!!!!
jbox >>
It does. The label doesn't say it because it has Dimitri Young Collection instead listed. But it is a NNOF.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
2 imperfect corners and centering that is consistent with cards that are in 9 slabs.
This favor from PSA directly translate to a 10 grand payment to Dmitri
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<< <i>Does anyone know who won the "PSA 10" NNOF? >>
A member on CU, but I forget who.
Finally got around to finishing this (the image that is) - still looking for Magrane, Acker, Jackson, Tapani and Lawton
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<< <i>Not a modern guy, but I came across this thread and found it really awesome, so instead of loading up on lottery tickets I thought it would be more fun if I bought a sealed wax case. the case came from a guy in New Jersey (I read earlier in the thread that supposedly most of the NNOFs came from eastern Ohio/PA/NY/NJ area. I plan on ripping at some point and looking for the other blackless cards as well as they also seem to be in demand..Wish me luck! >>
Good luck with the rip. Until recently, I was nearly convinced that the 1990 Topps blackless errors only made their way into the retail wax packs. But a few months ago I pulled a No Name Thomas card and 5 of the other blackless errors from a regular 36 pack wax box (the green box with Griffey on the front). That box did not contain any non-errors (all potential errors were indeed errors). I also started to open a second box from the same purchase and pulled another of the blackless cards after opening 6 packs. The remaining 30 packs in that box will remain sealed in my safety deposit box.
One for sale, but doesn't look like the blackless Magrane on page 29 of this thread (more black should be missing from the upper right corner).
unopened test package box.
He would have opened it.
500(house) vs 2000+ the house is losing at those odds.
THESE are the only 1990 Topps Error Packs that exist as far as I know.
<< <i>THESE are the only 1990 Topps Error Packs that exist as far as I know.
I will pay double what BBCE is selling their boxes for!
<< <i>
<< <i>THESE are the only 1990 Topps Error Packs that exist as far as I know.
I will pay double what BBCE is selling their boxes for! >>
The packs I've had since my childhood look like those, & the ones I saw on ebay the seller is from Delaware and they too look like those in the pic. So there is NO WAY of looking at the packs or boxes and knowing where they came from?
<< <i>That partial box of error packs ( which may be the only ones in existence) is not for sale. However, if I were to ever sell it to someone who would be interested in opening the packs, I can guarantee that it contains the Blackless errors. >>
No, you can't.
Is it a money back guarantee ?
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<< <i>
<< <i>That partial box of error packs ( which may be the only ones in existence) is not for sale. However, if I were to ever sell it to someone who would be interested in opening the packs, I can guarantee that it contains the Blackless errors. >>
No, you can't. >>
If you open the first pack of a 1990 Topps box and it contains blackless variations, is it not safe to assume there will be more in that box?