IMO, history will not treat ANY player kindly from this era, proven guilty or not. The HOF will certainly not be kind and I believe that card values regardless of player, will be hurt long term as well. Anyone that thinks they KNOW what any of these guys are/were doing is fooling themselves.
The best pitch to start a hitter off with is always strike one.
Once again Stan is trying to force everyone to follow his way . I am not and will not spend thousands of dollars on a modern card period . I for one would prefer to buy the Bowman Heritage card. Cards in my opinion have to be proven to stand the test of time in order for me to drop that much coin on a card. Cards like that teeter on a cliff just waiting for something to cause it to plummett. This is just my opinion of course .
Another decent rookie to have would be the 2001 Leaf rookies and Stars.
A collector of all things Braves Always looking for Chipper Jones cards. Im a very focused collector of cards from 1909 - 2012...LOL
steve, the BC is not a created rarity....its not a non-auto card with variations numbered to 25/50/100/500/1000 etc..that would be created rarity (which donruss did a lot thus they no longer have a MLBPA license)
its an ON card AUto, would you expect Pujols to sign 10,000 of them? not likely...
it is rare about 400 exist....its an ON CARD auto (not a sticker --this is huge), its a true Rookie card, and its from the most popular rookie card set, and its a HOF....so add up all tose elements and you have a '52 Mantle of today....
i think the Donruss Turn of the Century AUto, numberd to 100, and die cut, has more bang for the buck....its a brilliant looking card and if you can find one for under $1000, you got yourself a winner......
I would have to say that comparing a 52 Mantle to a 01 Chrome Pujols as far as generations isn't that far off. I wouldn't mind having a PSA 10 of that card but the fact of the matter is, I'd sell it for 10K to purchase a few select vintage 50's cards AND buy a PSA 9 to fill the void. Modern collectors are obviously a different animal than baby boomers but to each his own. I'm probably right there in the middle, enjoying both. If there was a modern card that held it's value in the long run, the 2001 Bowman Chrome AU is it.
<< <i>Literally millions of those cards you mentioned were produced, Gumby.
leathtech, you must not go to shows or talk with the "Chrome Generation". >>
No Stan I do not go to shows anymore, I stopped doing that after I graduated from High School and moved on with my life... not that there is anything wrong with going to shows but ebay and the National every few years are enough for me. I'm glad to hear that you alone are able to speak for a whole generation of new collectors.
<< <i>True, SMR shows $5,500 for the PSA 10, but one of the last ones sold on Ebay brought right at $15,000.
If patient, a clean PSA 9 can probably be had for $2,400-$2,700 in this economy.
* To add: the member of this board that had a PSA 10 can chime in with what he got out of his if he wants to. I can't remember his user name on here, but maybe someone does. I know his was listed on Ebay right after the one sold for $15,000, but I never seen what the final price was that he got for it. >>
It was an off ebay deal. Not quite $15k but no ebay or paypal fees either
I'm just amazed at how quickly STMM gets into so many arguments on these boards...
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The card is a manufactered rarity as was stated. No way I spend money like that on ANY modern card. The Mantle / Pulois comparision thingy? Come on get real. Mantle is/was an American icon to who transened sports. He was a household name and Idolized as a hero by millions of kids of that generation for his heroic play and charisma. Mantles popularity was pure and not driven by a Spectulative card hobby that has more interest in trying to turn a profit on a card, Than who's actually on it.
Albert is good for the game. But lets not get stupid. No matter the numbers, No matter the ridiculous card prices, Pulois, and for that matter any other Modern day Star will never hold the same status as Mantle. Not because they are not good or even better players than Mantle, but because Baseball as a whole doesn't hold the same prestigue as it once did. Mantle Captivated the whole country at a historical time in baseball that will never happen again. It was the right time and the Right place Not only in Baseball history, but American History. Nowdays the Game is only an empty husk in comparison. Baseball simply doesn't hold the same status as it once did to the masses. Nobody outside of Baseball knows Pulois, but you can bet your ass every mom, pop, kid and dog, Woman and Child knew Mantle.
The Pulois $$$$ cards are bought and sold more as a Investment commodity for Speculative Profit, than they are for any devotion to the player on it.
Once the Spectulative buyers drop out the cards will go the way Moderns always do.
<< <i>The card is a manufactered rarity as was stated. No way I spend money like that on ANY modern card. The Mantle / Pulois comparision thingy? Come on get real. Mantle is/was an American icon to who transened sports. He was a household name and Idolized as a hero by millions of kids of that generation for his heroic play and charisma. Mantles popularity was pure and not driven by a Spectulative card hobby that has more interest in trying to turn a profit on a card, Than who's actually on it.
Albert is good for the game. But lets not get stupid. No matter the numbers, No matter the ridiculous card prices, Pulois, and for that matter any other Modern day Star will never hold the same status as Mantle. Not because they are not good or even better players than Mantle, but because Baseball as a whole doesn't hold the same prestigue as it once did. Mantle Captivated the whole country at a historical time in baseball that will never happen again. It was the right time and the Right place Not only in Baseball history, but American History. Nowdays the Game is only an empty husk in comparison. Baseball simply doesn't hold the same status as it once did to the masses. Nobody outside of Baseball knows Pulois, but you can bet your ass every mom, pop, kid and dog, Woman and Child knew Mantle.
The Pulois $$$$ cards are bought and sold more as a Investment commodity for Speculative Profit, than they are for any devotion to the player on it.
Once the Spectulative buyers drop out the cards will go the way Moderns always do.
Just my 2 cents worth >>
you couldnt be more wrong....
for a guy who 1. hates PSA 2. hates modern cards 3. hates top player in game,
you sure spend a lot of time on these boards.....kiss, now thats cool! NOT
<< <i>I stopped doing that after I graduated from High School and moved on with my life >>
Heh, posting that on a message board full of adult baseball card collectors is kinda funny. >>
I haven't moved that far I guess (this is now my home for collecting)... just spending endless hours on the weekend talking about chrome has zero appeal to me!
Just for the record I would rather have a signed Jordan rookie than a shinny Pujols.
I am posting purely for the safety of somebody's future money...DO NOT INVEST A TON IN THAT CARD, especially in a 9 or 10 price range. If you are loaded, it doesn't matter, buy whatever...but if you are a regular Joe, then save your money.
This card in a 9 or 10 has too many things that could cause it to drop...
1)Man made rarity. It is a man made rarity...until the next man made rarity comes out.
2)Collapse in the confidence of cards graded 9 or 10 due to the fact that many are altered
3)Collapse in the confidence of the legitimacy of the holders that encapsulate them. Fake holders are already here, or soon to be.
4)People wise up. WHy spend 10k for an image of Pujols, when you can buy an image from Pujols from the same year for a few dollars. This aspect would speed up with continued economic problems.
5)The history of modern cards clearly indicates that these go nowhere but down once they reach their peak(which I believe is peaked now). If you got it before he became known, then great buy...but not now! They always go down.
6)Pujols's age. Why would that matter? If he really is three years older than his listed age, then forget about any challenge at all time records. Even if his age is legit, he could always pull a Jim Rice or Dick Allen and just be done.
7)PED use. The Pujols fans have the biggest blinders in the world. I am just glad these guys never met Jim Jones and drank HIS Kool-Aid. Even though Pujols fans have blinders, many DO NOT. Those many who DO NOT are not going to be willing to plunk that much money down on him.
8)Nobody in America outside of baseball fans know who he is. Nobody cares. Baseball is NOT in the same limelight as it once was. He will NEVER become an icon like Mickey Mantle. THat comparison was absurd. That is a different time that will not be replicated....that time is simply gone.
9)Continued drop in the population of baseball card collectors. This number will continue to go down.
Those are all working against the future of the card, and probably other reasons too.
What could he possibly do to vault this card to increase in value or retain it? He would have to break the all-time HR record as a start. HE would need to become known by people outside the baseball fandom. He is not an American icon. He would need to become one. He would need to get more people to start collecting baseball cards again. He would have to maintain the faith that third party graders can catch every trimmed card, and can prevent all the fake holders that will hurt these cards. Otherwise, why pay 10k for a 10 graded card, when you can just buy your own 7 and put it on the chop block yourself? Pujols fans think he is a god, so maybe he could do all of this.
<< The card is a manufactered rarity as was stated. No way I spend money like that on ANY modern card. The Mantle / Pulois comparision thingy? Come on get real. Mantle is/was an American icon to who transened sports. He was a household name and Idolized as a hero by millions of kids of that generation for his heroic play and charisma. Mantles popularity was pure and not driven by a Spectulative card hobby that has more interest in trying to turn a profit on a card, Than who's actually on it.
Albert is good for the game. But lets not get stupid. No matter the numbers, No matter the ridiculous card prices, Pulois, and for that matter any other Modern day Star will never hold the same status as Mantle. Not because they are not good or even better players than Mantle, but because Baseball as a whole doesn't hold the same prestigue as it once did. Mantle Captivated the whole country at a historical time in baseball that will never happen again. It was the right time and the Right place Not only in Baseball history, but American History. Nowdays the Game is only an empty husk in comparison. Baseball simply doesn't hold the same status as it once did to the masses. Nobody outside of Baseball knows Pulois, but you can bet your ass every mom, pop, kid and dog, Woman and Child knew Mantle.
The Pulois $$$$ cards are bought and sold more as a Investment commodity for Speculative Profit, than they are for any devotion to the player on it.
Once the Spectulative buyers drop out the cards will go the way Moderns always do.
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period . I for one would prefer to buy the Bowman Heritage card. Cards in my opinion have to be proven to stand the test of time in order for me to drop that much coin on a card. Cards like that teeter on a cliff just waiting for something to cause it to plummett. This is just my opinion of course .
Another decent rookie to have would be the 2001 Leaf rookies and Stars.
Always looking for Chipper Jones cards.
Im a very focused collector of cards from 1909 - 2012...LOL
most important thing is HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO SPEND....then you may get a better answer....Pujols rookie cards go from $5 to $15,000....
She then got some great advice on other rookies that could ALSO be had.
We then got another diatribe from Tim.
I'm with the crowd that would not pay the premium being asked for the most desirable one.
It is a created rarity and IMO is not worth what they go for, it may be for others not me.
Steve
its an ON card AUto, would you expect Pujols to sign 10,000 of them? not likely...
it is rare about 400 exist....its an ON CARD auto (not a sticker --this is huge), its a true Rookie card, and its from the most popular rookie card set, and its a HOF....so add up all tose elements and you have a '52 Mantle of today....
i think the Donruss Turn of the Century AUto, numberd to 100, and die cut, has more bang for the buck....its a brilliant looking card and if you can find one for under $1000, you got yourself a winner......
<< <i>Literally millions of those cards you mentioned were produced, Gumby.
leathtech, you must not go to shows or talk with the "Chrome Generation". >>
No Stan I do not go to shows anymore, I stopped doing that after I graduated from High School and moved on with my life... not that there is anything wrong with going to shows but ebay and the National every few years are enough for me. I'm glad to hear that you alone are able to speak for a whole generation of new collectors.
<< <i>I stopped doing that after I graduated from High School and moved on with my life >>
Heh, posting that on a message board full of adult baseball card collectors is kinda funny.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>True, SMR shows $5,500 for the PSA 10, but one of the last ones sold on Ebay brought right at $15,000.
If patient, a clean PSA 9 can probably be had for $2,400-$2,700 in this economy.
* To add: the member of this board that had a PSA 10 can chime in with what he got out of his if he wants to. I can't remember his user name on here, but maybe someone does. I know his was listed on Ebay right after the one sold for $15,000, but I never seen what the final price was that he got for it. >>
It was an off ebay deal. Not quite $15k but no ebay or paypal fees either
<< <i>This place is a waste of time anymore. >>
I'm sorry, this just makes me laugh anymore.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm just amazed at how quickly STMM gets into so many arguments on these boards... >>
It's never his fault, though. Everyone else is unreasonable.
The Mantle / Pulois comparision thingy? Come on get real. Mantle is/was an American icon to who transened sports. He was a
household name and Idolized as a hero by millions of kids of that generation for his heroic play and charisma. Mantles popularity
was pure and not driven by a Spectulative card hobby that has more interest in trying to turn a profit on a card, Than who's actually on it.
Albert is good for the game. But lets not get stupid. No matter the numbers, No matter the ridiculous card prices, Pulois, and for that matter any other Modern day Star will never hold the same status as Mantle. Not because they are not good or even better players than Mantle, but because Baseball as a whole doesn't hold the same prestigue as it once did. Mantle Captivated the whole country at a historical time in baseball that will never happen again. It was the right time and the Right place Not only in Baseball history, but American History.
Nowdays the Game is only an empty husk in comparison. Baseball simply doesn't hold the same status as it once did to the masses.
Nobody outside of Baseball knows Pulois, but you can bet your ass every mom, pop, kid and dog, Woman and Child knew Mantle.
The Pulois $$$$ cards are bought and sold more as a Investment commodity for Speculative Profit, than they are for any devotion to the player on it.
Once the Spectulative buyers drop out the cards will go the way Moderns always do.
Just my 2 cents worth
<< <i>The card is a manufactered rarity as was stated. No way I spend money like that on ANY modern card.
The Mantle / Pulois comparision thingy? Come on get real. Mantle is/was an American icon to who transened sports. He was a
household name and Idolized as a hero by millions of kids of that generation for his heroic play and charisma. Mantles popularity
was pure and not driven by a Spectulative card hobby that has more interest in trying to turn a profit on a card, Than who's actually on it.
Albert is good for the game. But lets not get stupid. No matter the numbers, No matter the ridiculous card prices, Pulois, and for that matter any other Modern day Star will never hold the same status as Mantle. Not because they are not good or even better players than Mantle, but because Baseball as a whole doesn't hold the same prestigue as it once did. Mantle Captivated the whole country at a historical time in baseball that will never happen again. It was the right time and the Right place Not only in Baseball history, but American History.
Nowdays the Game is only an empty husk in comparison. Baseball simply doesn't hold the same status as it once did to the masses.
Nobody outside of Baseball knows Pulois, but you can bet your ass every mom, pop, kid and dog, Woman and Child knew Mantle.
The Pulois $$$$ cards are bought and sold more as a Investment commodity for Speculative Profit, than they are for any devotion to the player on it.
Once the Spectulative buyers drop out the cards will go the way Moderns always do.
Just my 2 cents worth >>
you couldnt be more wrong....
for a guy who 1. hates PSA
2. hates modern cards
3. hates top player in game,
you sure spend a lot of time on these boards.....kiss, now thats cool! NOT
<< <i>
<< <i>I stopped doing that after I graduated from High School and moved on with my life >>
Heh, posting that on a message board full of adult baseball card collectors is kinda funny.
I haven't moved that far I guess (this is now my home for collecting)... just spending endless hours on the weekend talking about chrome has zero appeal to me!
Just for the record I would rather have a signed Jordan rookie than a shinny Pujols.
If you are loaded, it doesn't matter, buy whatever...but if you are a regular Joe, then save your money.
This card in a 9 or 10 has too many things that could cause it to drop...
1)Man made rarity. It is a man made rarity...until the next man made rarity comes out.
2)Collapse in the confidence of cards graded 9 or 10 due to the fact that many are altered
3)Collapse in the confidence of the legitimacy of the holders that encapsulate them. Fake holders are already here, or soon to be.
4)People wise up. WHy spend 10k for an image of Pujols, when you can buy an image from Pujols from the same year for a few dollars. This aspect would speed up with continued economic problems.
5)The history of modern cards clearly indicates that these go nowhere but down once they reach their peak(which I believe is peaked now). If you got it before he became known, then great buy...but not now! They always go down.
6)Pujols's age. Why would that matter? If he really is three years older than his listed age, then forget about any challenge at all time records. Even if his age is legit, he could always pull a Jim Rice or Dick Allen and just be done.
7)PED use. The Pujols fans have the biggest blinders in the world. I am just glad these guys never met Jim Jones and drank HIS Kool-Aid. Even though Pujols fans have blinders, many DO NOT. Those many who DO NOT are not going to be willing to plunk that much money down on him.
8)Nobody in America outside of baseball fans know who he is. Nobody cares. Baseball is NOT in the same limelight as it once was. He will NEVER become an icon like Mickey Mantle. THat comparison was absurd. That is a different time that will not be replicated....that time is simply gone.
9)Continued drop in the population of baseball card collectors. This number will continue to go down.
Those are all working against the future of the card, and probably other reasons too.
What could he possibly do to vault this card to increase in value or retain it? He would have to break the all-time HR record as a start. HE would need to become known by people outside the baseball fandom. He is not an American icon. He would need to become one. He would need to get more people to start collecting baseball cards again. He would have to maintain the faith that third party graders can catch every trimmed card, and can prevent all the fake holders that will hurt these cards. Otherwise, why pay 10k for a 10 graded card, when you can just buy your own 7 and put it on the chop block yourself? Pujols fans think he is a god, so maybe he could do all of this.
Steve
<< <i>you couldnt be more wrong....
for a guy who 1. hates PSA
2. hates modern cards
3. hates top player in game,
you sure spend a lot of time on these boards.....kiss, now thats cool! NOT >>
I applaud you for pointing out that he "couldnt be more wrong" and then providing concrete evidence to prove that is so.
The Mantle / Pulois comparision thingy? Come on get real. Mantle is/was an American icon to who transened sports. He was a
household name and Idolized as a hero by millions of kids of that generation for his heroic play and charisma. Mantles popularity
was pure and not driven by a Spectulative card hobby that has more interest in trying to turn a profit on a card, Than who's actually on it.
Albert is good for the game. But lets not get stupid. No matter the numbers, No matter the ridiculous card prices, Pulois, and for that matter any other Modern day Star will never hold the same status as Mantle. Not because they are not good or even better players than Mantle, but because Baseball as a whole doesn't hold the same prestigue as it once did. Mantle Captivated the whole country at a historical time in baseball that will never happen again. It was the right time and the Right place Not only in Baseball history, but American History.
Nowdays the Game is only an empty husk in comparison. Baseball simply doesn't hold the same status as it once did to the masses.
Nobody outside of Baseball knows Pulois, but you can bet your ass every mom, pop, kid and dog, Woman and Child knew Mantle.
The Pulois $$$$ cards are bought and sold more as a Investment commodity for Speculative Profit, than they are for any devotion to the player on it.
Once the Spectulative buyers drop out the cards will go the way Moderns always do.
Just my 2 cents worth >>
Well said.