Your thoughts on this bust half

McDonis

Ok this is my bust half. Its not a lot but its one of my better coins.

What are your thoughts? What grade would you give it?

astrorat

Nice detail. It is probably an EF-40 coin. Unfortunately, the coin would be a no-grade due to cleaning and the large gouge on the reverse. At least that is my opinion based on the images.

Lane

commoncents123

VF35, cleaned and damaged... a $40-something coin on ebay

McDonis

lol

I thought that might be the result..



I purchased this 3 years ago when I first started to collect. The dealer I frequented then sold this to me for about 150.00

LindeDad

<< <i>The dealer I frequented then sold this to me for about 150.00 >>



I hope you have since then found a NEW dealer.

And I think Lane was generous on the grade. Cleanings are killers IMO.

BillJones

Yes, sadly it's been cleaned, and that big mark above the eagle is, I'm sorry to say, a killer.

McDonis

I believe he went under in 2007.



I dont feel too bad about it. Like many of you always say you have to pay to get an education and this isnt that bad of a tution. I know I wouldnt be as stupid next time around.

robkool

VF35 details (damage/cleaned)...

commoncents123

Hey don't worry, I've been taken, too.. half the coin shops in my city are operated by a network of crooks

astrorat

<< <i>And I think Lane was generous on the grade. Cleanings are killers IMO.

>>



In retrospect, you are probably right. The reverse is nice, but the obverse would probably not go above VF.

Lane

McDonis

<< <i>Hey don't worry, I've been taken, too.. half the coin shops in my city are operated by a network of crooks >>




Network of crooks?


Coin Mafia?

lol

commoncents123

<< <i>

<< <i>Hey don't worry, I've been taken, too.. half the coin shops in my city are operated by a network of crooks >>




Network of crooks?


Coin Mafia?

lol >>



More or less...Father has one, son another. And some others closely connected. 3-4 shops in my city they have. I sent a friends mother there with a decent AU double eagle when gold was $600, with instructions to get an offer but not sell (she looks far more gullible than me, haha)...they tried to offer her $200...their sell prices are high retail

jdillane

VF35 with reverse damage. Not original skin but I do not see anything suggesting a harsh cleaning.

At least the damage does not resemble a staple scratch. Heck, the gouge was likely the result of early authentication efforts in the winter of '41. Don't ask me how I know this!

I did not check the variety but there are some R4's and R5's in 1828. Unless this is an R5 and the dealer knew it, I am pleased to learn that he folded his tent.

McDonis

<< <i>VF35 with reverse damage. Not original skin but I do not see anything suggesting a harsh cleaning.

At least the damage does not resemble a staple scratch. Heck, the gouge was likely the result of early authentication efforts in the winter of '41. Don't ask me how I know this!

I did not check the variety but there are some R4's and R5's in 1828. Unless this is an R5 and the dealer knew it, I am pleased to learn that he folded his tent. >>




Anyone familiar with varietys know if this is an R4 or R5 ?

jdillane

http://coinzip.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=1828b

This is a link to coinzip's 1828 page. Very helpful site...

astrorat

<< <i>Anyone familiar with varietys know if this is an R4 or R5 ? >>



No...it's not O-105 (R5), O-106 (R4+), O-111 (R4), or O-123 (R5+).

Lane

OKbustchaser

It is 107. To give the dealer the benefit of the doubt--although I don't actually believe he deserves it--he may have thought it was 106 (R-4++) which shares the same reverse die.

astrorat

<< <i>It is 107. To give the dealer the benefit of the doubt--although I don't actually believe he deserves it--he may have thought it was 106 (R-4++) which shares the same reverse die. >>



I don't think it is a O-107 as the coin appears to have a "square 2" and the O-107 has a "curled 2." Or, am I missing something in the image?

Lane

McDonis

Thanks to everyone, as always you guys are the best!

I had to explain to my wife the news about the coin. Its one of her favorites and needless to say she was bummed.

OKbustchaser

I thought that too at first, but it appears that the notch (curve) at the base of the 2 is slightly visable. The giveaway is the reverse which was only used on 106 and 107. Take a look at tje 2 on halfnuts at coinzip. It isonly notched and appears at first to be a square edge also. My guess is a die state matter.

astrorat

Okay ... now it's a challenge!

I don't think the reverse is the one for 106 or 107. I agree that the I in PLURIBUS is to the right of the second T in STATES. That means it can be 103, 105, 106, 107, or 110.

Look at the position of the L in PLURIBIS and the first T in STATES and the upper right part of the U in PLURIBUS and its relationship to the F in OF. The only reverse that matches is 110. Also, the distance for the second A in AMERICA to the arrows matches 110 better than 106 or 107.

The obverse star spacing appears to match 110 as well.

So, I would say it is O-110.

Okay ... now it's your turn!

Lane

McDonis

My wife put up a link to some close ups on the dates.

Link

OKbustchaser

Lane, you're right. The funny thing is that I normally match up the L to T relationship and didn't this time.

Jim

Serves me right for trying to do this and play poker at the same time.

Of course, I'm not doing well at poker either.

jdillane

i don't have time to evaluate beyond commenting that she sure looks like a sq base 2. If she is an O-107, many believe (me too!!) she's lot's tougher to come by than the R2 would lead one to believe!

AnkurJ

AU 50 details due to the scratch above the eagles head.

speety

Unfortunately i agree with the others.

Do you live in Ohio? I'm currently in Cincinnati for school but live in central ohio when not at school. If you get a chance and you're local, there's a monthly show in Hilliard that has some alright material that you might want to check out if you get a chance. Probably not worth more than a 45-50 minute drive though.

Mark