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Will PCGS genuinize acid dated Buffalos?

commoncents123commoncents123 Posts: 2,648 ✭
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And if so, would it be well worth it to have keys slabbed, if you intent was to make money?

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    commoncents123commoncents123 Posts: 2,648 ✭
    Hmmmm
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    barbershopperbarbershopper Posts: 1,201
    Not in my lifetime.
    It would certainly help me sell my 1918/7-D buffalo.
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    yellowjacketyellowjacket Posts: 1,809 ✭
    I would think PCGS would holder these as Genuine, since that is the alternative body-bagging these days. The asnwer is only a phone call away.

    Garrow
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    RampageRampage Posts: 9,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think it would matter unless people wanted it for the registry. But a nic-a-dated buff is what it is.
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    ..............of course without the acid, who knows what you got!image
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would hope that PCGS will have enough sense to body bag acid date Buffalo Nickels. One of the problems with them is that the dates are not always permanently restored.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    I have thought about this as well. One could add value to a 16ddo or a 8/7"restored"
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would hope that PCGS will have enough sense to body bag acid date Buffalo Nickels. One of the problems with them is that the dates are not always permanently restored. >>



    They don't do BBs any more...without a date it would still get a genuine holder, just not a dated genuine holder. So the question is, will the put a date on a genuine holder for an acid dated buffalo? Right?
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    rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭
    Remember that some of these coins can be identified without "restoration" such as the 16 DDO. It's just like a 1916 SLQ, you can identify them when dateless.

    I see no reason for PCGS not to slab them myself, altered surfaces would be the code, no?
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    MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    "They don't do BBs any more...without a date it would still get a genuine holder,"
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    What if it's not genuine??

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just called. The Customer Service person I spoke to didn't know for sure, but is very much inclined to say yes.

    Then I asked about Hobo nickels and Potty dollars. Besides not knowing that they are, he was much less sure about the answer. He said he'll e-mail me back after he asks someone else.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,778 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not only might hobo nickels and potty dollars be technically damaged beyond being able to have their authenticity established (especially potty dollars), but authentic can mean two different things on these coins -- that the host coin is authentic or that the engraving is an authentic period engraving. To collectors of these, the latter is often more important.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,850 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I just called. The Customer Service person I spoke to didn't know for sure, but is very much inclined to say yes. >>



    That's too bad. Even in the bad old days, acid date Buffalos were not acceptable for sale in places like "Coin World. "
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just called. The Customer Service person I spoke to didn't know for sure, but is very much inclined to say yes.

    Then I asked about Hobo nickels and Potty dollars. Besides not knowing that they are, he was much less sure about the answer. He said he'll e-mail me back after he asks someone else. >>





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    CertifiedGoldCoinsCertifiedGoldCoins Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭
    Mine is already in a genuine holder. image

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    rbfrbf Posts: 452 ✭✭


    << <i>That's too bad. Even in the bad old days, acid date Buffalos were not acceptable for sale in places like "Coin World. " >>

    What's so bad about it? As long as a seller isn't intentionally misrepresenting the coin, a better-date restored Buff ought to command at least SOME sort of premium (albeit a small one), just as any other GENUINE coin that's been cleaned, doctored-up, or whatever the case may be. Don't you agree?
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    frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750 ✭
    How does the acid dating work to restore the date on Buffs?
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>That's too bad. Even in the bad old days, acid date Buffalos were not acceptable for sale in places like "Coin World. " >>

    What's so bad about it? As long as a seller isn't intentionally misrepresenting the coin, a better-date restored Buff ought to command at least SOME sort of premium (albeit a small one), just as any other GENUINE coin that's been cleaned, doctored-up, or whatever the case may be. Don't you agree? >>

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How does the acid dating work to restore the date on Buffs? >>



    When a die strikes a planchet, the recessed areas of the die compress the planchet metal less than the non-recessed areas of the die. Differenent densities of the metal are etched and hence discolored at different rates. The acid should only be left on the coin for about a second to see this effect.

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i can't say for certain about all the difficult Buffalo varieties, but there are other die markers for the 8/7-D so that it can be id'd without the acid.
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    frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750 ✭


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    << <i>How does the acid dating work to restore the date on Buffs? >>



    When a die strikes a planchet, the recessed areas of the die compress the planchet metal less than the non-recessed areas of the die. Differenent densities of the metal are etched and hence discolored at different rates. The acid should only be left on the coin for about a second to see this effect. >>



    So it's similar to how filed off serial #s on guns are restored.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,577 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>How does the acid dating work to restore the date on Buffs? >>



    When a die strikes a planchet, the recessed areas of the die compress the planchet metal less than the non-recessed areas of the die. Differenent densities of the metal are etched and hence discolored at different rates. The acid should only be left on the coin for about a second to see this effect. >>



    So it's similar to how filed off serial #s on guns are restored. >>



    Bingo! You got it.



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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They don't do BBs any more...without a date it would still get a genuine holder, just not a dated genuine holder... >>



    I don't think that is their policy. I just sent in a very worn twenty-cent piece and it came back "bagged" (actually "flipped") as no decision. There is no doubt it is a genuine coin, but PCGS apparently didn't feel there was enough of the date/mintmark to slab it even as genuine.

    Lane

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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>They don't do BBs any more...without a date it would still get a genuine holder, just not a dated genuine holder... >>



    I don't think that is their policy. I just sent in a very worn twenty-cent piece and it came back "bagged" (actually "flipped") as no decision. There is no doubt it is a genuine coin, but PCGS apparently didn't feel there was enough of the date/mintmark to slab it even as genuine.

    Lane >>



    So "no decison" means they can't call it what you put on the submission form? Like it this example, it may obviously be a genuine buffalo but they won't certify the date. I didn't realize that's what that meant. --Jerry

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