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1812 Capped half dollar. Do you think?
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What do you think, Could I sell this coin " that's graded au 53 by pcgs " for more than au 55 pcgs price guide value?
I bought this piece raw for $250.00
I bought this piece raw for $250.00
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<< <i>What do you think, Could I sell this coin " that's graded au 53 by pcgs " for more than au 55 pcgs price guide value?
I bought this piece raw for $250.00
Not to me. IMO it's overgraded at 53. Others may love it, though.
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<< <i>What do you think, Could I sell this coin " that's graded au 53 by pcgs " for more than au 55 pcgs price guide value?
I bought this piece raw for $250.00
Not to me. IMO it's overgraded at 53. Others may love it, though. >>
Over graded! By pcgs! That's a first for me
I like it as a nice Choice XF+. Great colors. You probably would get a good bit more than your purchase price for it, but maybe not AU55 price guide money for it. But, you never know, there's always somebody out there that don't care what they pay for stuff they like and have to have.
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<< <i>What do you think, Could I sell this coin " that's graded au 53 by pcgs " for more than au 55 pcgs price guide value?
I bought this piece raw for $250.00
Not to me. IMO it's overgraded at 53. Others may love it, though. >>
Over graded! By pcgs! That's a first for me
PCGS overgrades coins at a fair enough frequency that if you know what you are doing you can spot them at shows. If you don't know what you are doing then it would be a first for you. Regardless, the images are oversaturated to bring out the color so any interpretation would be hindered by this fact. However, I am certain that many folks would pay you a relatively good premium for the coin.
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<< <i>I think that it has been market graded as a 53, so you may get 53 money for it but not much more. Actually, I don't like it. Looks AT. >>
I think this AT worries are crazy! It's in a pcgs slab. Come on!
<< <i>I think this AT worries are crazy! It's in a pcgs slab. Come on! >>
Not saying your coin is AT, but if you believe every toned coin in every PCGS, or any other TPG, slab is NT.......whew, I hate it for you.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
<< <i>When was it slabbed? They've been tightening up on AT. >>
Last year,I was hoping for a 55 but you know!
IMO, she has AU meat, not solid AU but she's at the very least a 48. The pics do look juiced up. she'd probably present better if properly imaged. I am wondering how much luster she's got as well. Market graded? Dunno bout that either. They were tight last yr too. granted, she ought to have luster neath the toning else she should lose a couple points.
<< <i>Could I sell this coin " that's graded au 53 by pcgs " for more than au 55 pcgs price guide value? I bought this piece raw for $250.00 >>
Absolutely! Just put it here on the BST and surely all of the generous members and dealers will be glad to pay you a handsome profit. Hope this helps.
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<< <i>I think this AT worries are crazy! It's in a pcgs slab. Come on! >>
Not saying your coin is AT, but if you believe every toned coin in every PCGS, or any other TPG, slab is NT.......whew, I hate it for you. >>
If you know the differance beteen at & nt , Then you can tell this coin is an original toned coin , it is very clear!
As for the selling price I think with true to the coin colors Yes you can make a good profit selling it. And the PCGS price guide has been under the going prices on eBay for the last six months at least. I know every time I put in a bid at guide I get out bid it seems.
<< <i>Looking at your images makes me ask when did PCGS change to a blue slab? I am not seeing grey in the usual places.
As for the selling price I think with true to the coin colors Yes you can make a good profit selling it. And the PCGS price guide has been under the going prices on eBay for the last six months at least. I know every time I put in a bid at guide I get out bid it seems.
The color the slab is, is the color of the cloth that it's laying on.
<< <i>One way to find out is ebay auction at .99c start. There are plenty out there who fancy color. Most will not think AT due to PCGS's endorsement. You could also consign to greattoning as he seems to do very well with monster toned coins.
IMO, she has AU meat, not solid AU but she's at the very least a 48. The pics do look juiced up. she'd probably present better if properly imaged. I am wondering how much luster she's got as well. Market graded? Dunno bout that either. They were tight last yr too. granted, she ought to have luster neath the toning else she should lose a couple points. >>
Thank you , It does have good luster , and yes I am not to good at taking pictures through plastic. This piece looks much better in hand than any pic I can take of it.
Anyone else who thinks this piece is AT doesn't know what an acceptable circ rainbow looks like.
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<< <i>NT colors have some subtlety. >>
According to who? That's not always true.
<< <i>If that coin REALLY looks like photo in person, I'm out. I don't care for it at all. NT colors have some subtlety. This coin looks like a neon sign. >>
I agree. I'm very glad the OP likes it, but it's not my cup of tea.
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PCGS overgrades coins at a fair enough frequency that if you know what you are doing you can spot them at shows. If you don't know what you are doing then it would be a first for you. Regardless, the images are oversaturated to bring out the color so any interpretation would be hindered by this fact. However, I am certain that many folks would pay you a relatively good premium for the coin. >>
PCGS outrageously overgrades most any key or semi-key circulated coin. On coins with a small spread through the grades, ahh, who cares (S-VDB, 38-D Walker, etc) but some (1927-S SLQ) are grossly overgraded and that's a problem IMO.
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<< <i>NT colors have some subtlety. >>
According to who? That's not always true. >>
When the coin is less than Choice Unc. or better year Choice Proof the colors tend not to explode unless they are AT. Even on choice piece it is somewhat unusual. The color usually comes up and explodes when the mint luster and toning play with the light as you swirl the coin under a lamp. This coin is only a AU with a rub on the surface. For that reason, I don't care for the coin.
<< <i>and I doubt the pictures are over-saturated. Maybe theres a little juice, but not much. That coin's naturally vibrant. >>
Anyone else who thinks these photos aren't juiced doesn't know what a juiced photo looks like.
The pics make the coin look bad. An XF CBH should not look like that.
And I think the coin shows XF wear not close to 53... in my opinion of course.
I would hesitate to pay XF money for this one based on the pics, slab or no slab.
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<< <i>and I doubt the pictures are over-saturated. Maybe theres a little juice, but not much. That coin's naturally vibrant. >>
Anyone else who thinks these photos aren't juiced doesn't know what a juiced photo looks like.
A heavily juiced photo would have much more definition between the colors in the rainbow.
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<< <i>NT colors have some subtlety. >>
According to who? That's not always true. >>
When the coin is less than Choice Unc. or better year Choice Proof the colors tend not to explode unless they are AT. Even on choice piece it is somewhat unusual. The color usually comes up and explodes when the mint luster and toning play with the light as you swirl the coin under a lamp. This coin is only a AU with a rub on the surface. For that reason, I don't care for the coin. >>
It's certainly more unusual for a circ coin (expecially an original circ coin) to develop vibrant colors, but it does happen. I've seen it on a number of coins that I am 100% sure were natural (I was the guy who took them out of their old manilla envelopes and coin folders after sitting there for 40 years). Ask a dealer who specializes in toned coins.
<< <i>That coin's a full on NT beauty, and I fully believe that the choice AU grade is correct.
Anyone else who thinks this piece is AT doesn't know what an acceptable circ rainbow looks like. >>
Those images will be most telling!!!
If you don't like the coin, oh well . It is one of my most favorites! And no I didn't " juice " the photos!
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<< <i>Some of you guys just kill me! The coin is slabbed by the best in the business,but still some of you are not satisfied with that. So I ask you , Why trust a third party grading system at all? Some of you are so phobic on color ,slabbed or not!
If you don't like the coin, oh well . It is one of my most favorites! And no I didn't " juice " the photos!
It is naive to think that PCGS does not slab AT coins...they do. They have slabbed gold that has been puttied and proof gold that has been lasered. They are human...they make mistakes. Also, remember...they have slabbed counterfeit "micro O" Morgan dollars. PCGS is not infallible, but they are the best company at present.
PCGS is slabbing what is market acceptable...period. They do not slab for coins being strictly original, its about what is currently accepted in the market place.
PCGS slabs vivid rainbow ASE's that are a year old. Do you honestly believe they tone "naturally" to an amazing rainbow color in a few months without help? It is irrelevant as the coin is market acceptable.
As to your coin...I doubt it is AT, but the colors are somewhat vivid in the image and I would have to see the piece in hand to be certain.
Lane
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<< <i>Some of you guys just kill me! The coin is slabbed by the best in the business,but still some of you are not satisfied with that. So I ask you , Why trust a third party grading system at all? Some of you are so phobic on color ,slabbed or not!
If you don't like the coin, oh well . It is one of my most favorites! And no I didn't " juice " the photos!
It is naive to think that PCGS does not slab AT coins...they do. They have slabbed gold that has been puttied and proof gold that has been measured. They are human...they make mistakes. Also, remember...they have slabbed counterfeit "micro O" Morgan dollars. PCGS is not infallible, but they are the best company at present.
PCGS is slabbing what is market acceptable...period. They do not slab for coins being strictly original, its about what is currently accepted in the market place.
PCGS slabs vivid rainbow ASE's that are a year old. Do you honestly believe they tone "naturally" to an amazing rainbow color in a few months without help? It is irrelevant as the coin is market acceptable.
As to your coin...I doubt it is AT, but the colors are somewhat vivid in the image and I would have to see the piece in hand to be certain.
Lane >>
Point well taken,but I was not asking the question at or nt or what grade ! I think I stated my question well enough. So why all the out rage? It's just a coin, at the present time I am not selling.
<< <i>Why trust a third party grading system at all? >>
Good question. The thing is that PCGS isn't God almighty of coins. The number on the slab is an opinion and even the head honchos of the joint refer to it as such.
Mostly TPGs are a con game that people who make a living off of coins use to instill a false sense on confidence in people that are not experts so that they will spend expert money. There are a few TPGs extant (PCGS being one of the leaders) that have made a business out of being respectable and generally correct. That doesn't mean that every piece of plastic they put a label on is gold. The mantra holds true forever: "Buy the coin, not the plastic."
Regarding your coin, we could entertain an AT/NT debate. I prefer not to as I consider fruit loop colors to be the least of my wants in 19th century type coins - especially circulated ones. I harbor a penchant for that good ol' black and slate colored circulated cameo look, personally.
As for your question, could it realize 55 money? I wouldn't be surprised. There seems to be plenty of people in the cult of color and they especially like it with one of three certain kinds of plastic wrapped around it, so if enough of them are capitalized and aware the sky is the limit.
Did you pay AU55 money?
Leo
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<< <i>Very nice coin, not bad on the photography either. The coin does not look juiced nor do I see any neon lights about it. There is more wear than I would expect above a XF45 grade. I have taken a few thousand pictures and there's nothing saturated from my monitor. The colors look clear and dry.
Did you pay AU55 money?
Leo >>
Thank you for your comments. I bought the coin raw for $250.00 . I submitted it last year.
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<< <i>Why trust a third party grading system at all? >>
Good question. The thing is that PCGS isn't God almighty of coins. The number on the slab is an opinion and even the head honchos of the joint refer to it as such.
Mostly TPGs are a con game that people who make a living off of coins use to instill a false sense on confidence in people that are not experts so that they will spend expert money. There are a few TPGs extant (PCGS being one of the leaders) that have made a business out of being respectable and generally correct. That doesn't mean that every piece of plastic they put a label on is gold. The mantra holds true forever: "Buy the coin, not the plastic."
Regarding your coin, we could entertain an AT/NT debate. I prefer not to as I consider fruit loop colors to be the least of my wants in 19th century type coins - especially circulated ones. I harbor a penchant for that good ol' black and slate colored circulated cameo look, personally.
As for your question, could it realize 55 money? I wouldn't be surprised. There seems to be plenty of people in the cult of color and they especially like it with one of three certain kinds of plastic wrapped around it, so if enough of them are capitalized and aware the sky is the limit. >>
Are you calling my coin a fruit loop? Should I be upset? I guess it's better than coco pebbles!
<< <i>Point well taken,but I was not asking the question at or nt or what grade ! I think I stated my question well enough. So why all the out rage? It's just a coin, at the present time I am not selling. >>
What outrage?
Fair enough...I'll answer your question in the title. Yes, I think.
I can even answer the question in the OP. Yes, you could sell if for more that PCGS 55 money.
Lane
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I own several AT coins in PCGS plastic. I've even got a merc that started out a vibrant purple in a PCGS holder. It's now a super dule blue. PCGS is not perfect; they're just the best in the market.
My honest opinion of the coin is that it's a XF market graded because of the toning. AT or not, the plastic around the coin means that that coin would bring really strong money, well over AU greysheet money.
-David
At least that's how I go about it anyway.
Leo
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