Is this right or O.K to do.

Type2

I was looking to see what they are asking for the new UHL and saw this Go buy from the mint not from coin Dealers/ Filpers, So on.
It's like going to a BM and standing in front of his or her store and say go buy from the mint not this store or am I wrong?

Bayard1908

I like it. I doubt eBay will like it though.

Staircoins

It's a violation of ebay's Listing No Item policy.

"Listings not offering an item or service for sale are not permitted on eBay. These types of listings include but are not limited to:
...
Signposts – listings primarily meant to direct a user to a seller’s store or other listings"


They would see this not as a "public service", but rather from the perspective of circumvention of fees.


Reported. (Not to protect Feebay, but because I'm trying to presell my own UHR there! )

Type2

<< <i>It's a violation of ebay's Listing No Item policy.

"Listings not offering an item or service for sale are not permitted on eBay. These types of listings include but are not limited to:

...

Signposts – listings primarily meant to direct a user to a seller’s store or other listings"


They would see this not as a "public service", but rather from the perspective of circumvention of fees.


Reported. (Not to protect Feebay, but because I'm trying to presell my own UHR there! ) >>

Staircoins

I suppose if I really wanted to be a jerk, I could buy one of his auctions for $1, then neg him.

Then file an Item Not Received complaint.






... but I won't.

Coinlearner

It is still up and people are getting the advice............Another way..Offer one and in listing say if you do not like my price, GET'M HERE...U.S. Mint.......

Res

<< <i>It's a violation of ebay's Listing No Item policy.

"Listings not offering an item or service for sale are not permitted on eBay. These types of listings include but are not limited to:
...
Signposts – listings primarily meant to direct a user to a seller’s store or other listings"


They would see this not as a "public service", but rather from the perspective of circumvention of fees.


Reported. (Not to protect Feebay, but because I'm trying to presell my own UHR there! ) >>



He is selling an item - "a document mailed to you". I think it's OK

Staircoins

There was no document there earlier. He's revised his auction to comply with the policy.

Must have gotten a nasty-gram from the folks in San Jose.

Res

<< <i>There was no document there earlier. He's revised his auction to comply with the policy.

Must have gotten a nasty-gram from the folks in San Jose. >>



Ah-hah. I wonder what he has against capitalists screwing the uninformed?

Coxe

Glad to see he is doing it, as a 100% positive eBayer and in compliance with eBay policy. eBay flippers are exploiting people and have no specific talent whatsoever in the endeavor. Presales should be banned as violations however. If the merchandise is not available for delivery, it shouldn't be listed. What those scum do is place the order and lsit the items after confirmation. If they don't sell, they cancel the order. I believe they aren't charged until fulfillment and that would mean they do not own anything. Sorry, if I pissed in anyone's sandbox....well, not really sorry.

Staircoins

<< <i>Glad to see he is doing it, as a 100% positive eBayer and in compliance with eBay policy. eBay flippers are exploiting people and have no specific talent whatsoever in the endeavor. Presales should be banned as violations however. If the merchandise is not available for delivery, it shouldn't be listed. What those scum do is place the order and lsit the items after confirmation. If they don't sell, they cancel the order. I believe they aren't charged until fulfillment and that would mean they do not own anything. Sorry, if I pissed in anyone's sandbox....well, not really sorry. >>


No offense taken, but I think you're casting a pretty broad net there. As a 100% positive ebayer myself, and one who values both that rating and my PowerSeller status, I assure you that I have no intention of cancelling my order for the UHR whether the coin sells on ebay as a presale or not.

It really comes down to simple dollars and cents. If I can turn the coin is a relatively short period of time, for a decent return on my investment, then I'm happy to do so. If not, then I'll hang on to the coin, and enjoy it for what it is. Who knows, if it sells, perhaps I'll buy another to replace it from the secondary market - or even from the Mint if/when they lift the one-per-household restriction.

There are all sorts of reasons why someone may prefer to buy from ebay rather than from the Mint - and may be willing to pay a premium for the convenience. Perhaps they prefer to pay with Paypal, which the Mint doesn't take. Perhaps they've exhausted their one-per-household limit. Perhaps they have an ebay coupon that is about to expire. Who knows?

Anyway - don't jump to the conclusion that all presales are, by definition, evil.

notwilight

<< <i>There was no document there earlier. He's revised his auction to comply with the policy. Must have gotten a nasty-gram from the folks in San Jose. >>



They don't send nastigrams. they just take it down. Must have been advice from someone else.

Coxe

Perhaps not all presales are 100% evil. But the seller is selling a product he does not, in fact, own. There is not even a bilateral contract to support it until the seller's credit card has been charged.

LindeDad

If he keeps one person from getting ripped off. I say thumbs up to him.
Think I will see if I can give him some business in the futher by adding him to my favorites list.

Smittys

The UHR's will still sell, even with these ads, especially when they have coin in hand

holeinone1972

Right, and they should not sell kids candy, because it rots their teeth. I see lots of coin police around here. If you list it, and they buy it then all is fine. They should not let criminals out of prison either, but they do. How dare McDonalds sell soda at $2.00 a cup it only costs .12 cents, ice cup and soda. What a bunch of rip off artists.

Gimme a break.

Staircoins

<< <i>Perhaps not all presales are 100% evil. But the seller is selling a product he does not, in fact, own. ... >>


You are correct, which is why ebay has a policy on Pre-Sale Listings that states, in part:

Pre-sale listings are those that describe items for sale that are not in the control or possession of the seller at the time of the listing. These listings generally consist of items that are sold in advance of a delivery date to the public.

eBay permits Pre-sale listings only on a limited basis. The seller must guarantee that the item will be available for shipping within 30 days from the date of purchase (i.e., the day the listing ends or the date the item is purchased from a store front listing). The seller must also clearly indicate within the listing the fact that the item is a pre-sale item with a delivery date that indicates the item will be shipped by the 30th day from the end date of the listing.

I am careful to comply with this policy, as I try hard to comply with all listing policies. If the Mint were to cancel my order, and I were not able to find a replacement coin that met the terms of my obligation to the buyer's satisfaction, I'd refund the buyer's money immediately (if I'd been paid), and cancel the sale.

Coxe

Then I stand corrected on eBay policy. I am not sure where that stands in terms of contract law however. I know it is a grey area. That is why naked short selling of securities is a contentious issue right now.

notwilight

I find presales difficult to manage and stressful to execute but I sometimes have to do them when my competition does.

The problem with selling UHRs at higher prices on ebay right now is not an ethical one, it is a business values/business model question. I wouldn't do it because I would not feel I could stand behind my product at those prices.

--Jerry

cinman14

<< <i>It's a violation of ebay's Listing No Item policy.

"Listings not offering an item or service for sale are not permitted on eBay. These types of listings include but are not limited to:
...
Signposts – listings primarily meant to direct a user to a seller’s store or other listings"


They would see this not as a "public service", but rather from the perspective of circumvention of fees.


Reported. (Not to protect Feebay, but because I'm trying to presell my own UHR there! ) >>



Advice for $1.00 with free shipping... I like it...

derryb

<< <i>

<< <i>There was no document there earlier. He's revised his auction to comply with the policy. Must have gotten a nasty-gram from the folks in San Jose. >>



They don't send nastigrams. they just take it down. Must have been advice from someone else. >>


He probably read about it here. Whoever you are

rld14

I have no problem at all with people selling these for whatever the market will bear on eBay.

I can see it now...

"Hmm, the Mint just released a new gold coin, wherever will I find such an item? The Mint? My local Coin shop? I know! eBay!"

A fool and his..............................

Coxe

<< <i>I have no problem at all with people selling these for whatever the market will bear on eBay.

I can see it now...

"Hmm, the Mint just released a new gold coin, wherever will I find such an item? The Mint? My local Coin shop? I know! eBay!"

A fool and his.............................. >>



Exactly. Like the fools who bid on Heritage or Superior auctions on eBay and pay a higher fee consequently.

19Lyds

<< <i>It's a violation of ebay's Listing No Item policy.

"Listings not offering an item or service for sale are not permitted on eBay. These types of listings include but are not limited to:
...
Signposts – listings primarily meant to direct a user to a seller’s store or other listings"


They would see this not as a "public service", but rather from the perspective of circumvention of fees.


Reported. (Not to protect Feebay, but because I'm trying to presell my own UHR there! ) >>



The auction is legal as he is offering a document for a buck: "Buy It Now and receive a document (mailed to you) describing the history of the Double Eagle Gold Coin."

Nothing wrong with this one.

coppercoins

Anyone pre-selling UHR coins on eBay right now is in violation of the pre-sale agreement because they cannot guarantee that the item will be shipped within 30 days of the end of the auction. Heck, the MINT doesn't even know when they will be shipping them. They really need to get their crap together....the mint that is.

Type2

I'am thinking about it that is some good $$$ and I'll go buy one later. But that is just me.

Staircoins

<< <i>

<< <i>It's a violation of ebay's Listing No Item policy.

"Listings not offering an item or service for sale are not permitted on eBay. These types of listings include but are not limited to:
...
Signposts – listings primarily meant to direct a user to a seller’s store or other listings"


They would see this not as a "public service", but rather from the perspective of circumvention of fees.


Reported. (Not to protect Feebay, but because I'm trying to presell my own UHR there! ) >>



The auction is legal as he is offering a document for a buck: "Buy It Now and receive a document (mailed to you) describing the history of the Double Eagle Gold Coin."

Nothing wrong with this one. >>





At first, he wasn't offering anything - no document, no information - just "Go buy it from the Mint for less, and send me $1 if you appreciate my listing telling you that you can do so." He later revised his listings to include the "document mailed to you ..."

Evidently the folks in San Jose found his revision to be insufficient, as they've pulled all three of his listings.

Type2

GooD.

robkool

Another violation that should be reported immediately...