Capped Bust Half - Does anyone like this coin?

commoncents123 · January 21, 2009 1:17PM

Is there anyone out there who likes this coin whatsoever for the grade?

jmj3esq · January 21, 2009 1:19PM

It has been dipped and has retoned a bit. I bet most here will not like its unoriginality.

robkool · January 21, 2009 1:19PM

WOW !!! Nice...

Barndog · January 21, 2009 1:20PM

not me

Barndog · January 21, 2009 1:21PM

could be rare for all I know, I still don't like it

savoyspecial · January 21, 2009 1:24PM

too bright....dont like it

PCcoins · January 21, 2009 1:24PM

I'm not to sure it would slab today

doh · January 21, 2009 1:26PM

Nope, not my cup of tea

shorecoll · January 21, 2009 1:28PM

Too lazy to look up typical strike for the variety, but don't like the dippiness!

LotsoLuck · January 21, 2009 1:28PM

Looks like it met up with a jar of Dip-O

relicsncoins · January 21, 2009 1:35PM

Nothing a little TP in the windowsill couldn't fix.

pheh · January 21, 2009 1:41PM

There was one guy but we had him put down.

Unknown · January 21, 2009 5:21PM

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LanLord · January 21, 2009 6:06PM

Nothing that another 198 years in a pocket won't fix

thisnamztaken · January 21, 2009 6:38PM

It looks buffed or polished, but it's still better than modern cr*p.

scoobydeux · January 21, 2009 8:35PM

<< I'm not to sure it would slab today >>

I'm not sure it would slab in the past either. Wait, let me put on my sunglasses...

coinkat · January 21, 2009 8:44PM

A couple of quick comments:

1. Its great that someone took the initative to find this week's poster coin that examplifies the need for an original surfaces designation

2. Collectors see too many coins that have a similar look in TPG holders that should have been in a BB instead of a slab

3. It is coins like this that get graded that hurts ANACS

ccmorgan · January 21, 2009 8:51PM

<< It looks buffed or polished, but it's still better than modern cr*p. >>

That bust was modern 190 years ago.

Been cleaned....I much prefer the origionally evenly toned look.

etexmike · January 21, 2009 10:01PM

I would have to take a pass on this coin. Sorry.

Mike

JCMhouston · January 21, 2009 10:26PM

It's been dipped, so what. As long as it still has some luster left and hasn't been dipped completely out I wouldn't have a problem with it. As long as in-hand it still looks attractive I would buy if that was my series. I have one coin from the 1860's in MS67 that's bright white, obviously dipped but not stripped. And I like it.

OKbustchaser · January 21, 2009 10:52PM

Yes, it has been dipped. So have almost all of the bust halves slabbed by our host. So have almost all of the bust halves graded by NGC. That this is true has been shown over and over again. Why does everyone try to single out ANACS for slabbing shinny coins when shinny coins is what most of the general collecting public wants?

As for this particular coin--it is ok; nothing great, nothing horrendous. I do think, however, that it is at least 5 points overgraded.

pmac · January 21, 2009 10:54PM

Way back when people took coins from circulation and put them away for collection, a piece that had darkened would be, in their eyes, not like it had come from the mint. Silver polish and steel wool made these 'inferior' coins glisten like they were new. We now know that there is beauty in coins that have aged naturally in their journey through many hands of commerce. I would venture to guess that many of the coins such as this capped bust half were the beginnings of our hobby. I personally can forgive our earlier collectors for such atrocities. Their collections were what they left to us so that we could pass them onto the future. I enjoy this coin for its trek through time and the stories that can be imagined. Thanks for showing us this polished gem.

Longacre · January 21, 2009 10:56PM

Dipped and starting to retone. I cannot in good faith give that coin a sticker.

ccmorgan · January 21, 2009 11:35PM

<< Yes, it has been dipped. So have almost all of the bust halves slabbed by our host. So have almost all of the bust halves graded by NGC. That this is true has been shown over and over again. Why does everyone try to single out ANACS for slabbing shinny coins when shinny coins is what most of the general collecting public wants?

As for this particular coin--it is ok; nothing great, nothing horrendous. I do think, however, that it is at least 5 points overgraded. >>

OKbustchaser I like the ones like in your avitar!!!!

OKbustchaser · January 22, 2009 12:12AM

<< OKbustchaser I like the ones like in your avitar!!!!

>>

Thanks, I like it too, but it also has been dipped in the past and then retoned.

maibockaddict · January 22, 2009 2:31AM

<< 

<< OKbustchaser I like the ones like in your avitar!!!!

>>

Thanks, I like it too, but it also has been dipped in the past and then retoned.

>>

Why do you say this coin has been dipped? The dipping didn't remove dirt?

Here is my 110. Was in an ANACS 45 holder, now in a PCGS 45 holder. For the cynical it has been dipped as well.

OKbustchaser · January 22, 2009 2:49AM

Dave, I happen to know that it has been dipped because when I bought it it was about the same color as the OP's. Several years in a Kraft envelope does wonders.

I like your 110--as I have told you before you have a ready buyer here--but yes, it does appear from the pics to be secondary toning.

maibockaddict · January 22, 2009 3:07AM

<< Dave, I happen to know that it has been dipped because when I bought it it was about the same color as the OP's. Several years in a Kraft envelope does wonders.

I like your 110--as I have told you before you have a ready buyer here--but yes, it does appear from the pics to be secondary toning. >>

Oh it is possible. Anything is possible. But from my own experience, to get the depth of toning that a 200 year old coin would acquire over time, is not easy to replicate in a relatively short amount of time. I have tried with little success myself and there is no perfect right or wrong answer. I think even every single coin can react differently to the same set of circumstances. Possibly a by-product of how that original blank was treated prior to minting, and maybe even how much pressure was applied to the blank when struck. Remember, all was done by hand at this time, and there was no way every blank was treated the same or struck the same. I bet the surface layer of "skin" varies from batch of blanks to batch of blanks or even from coin to coin.

I think the same could be said about a toned coin being unmolested, as toned coin being dipped and re-toned. There probably is no true right answer, only guesses and assumptions.

The top coin is dipped white for the most part, and may in fact be 5 points high in grade, but it was the dip that likely got the coin the 5 points because its brilliance allows luster to be more apparent. You see this for any coin that goes through a grading service. All services tend to grade toned coins lower, and heavily toned coins (probably the most original ones too) lowest.

maibockaddict · January 22, 2009 3:22AM

I was just also thinking. If you get a dipped white coin, and re-tone it yourself over a couple years in an envelope, then it is safe to assume that a quick dip will make it white again.

If you have a toned coin and give it the same dip that you gave the re-toned coin above and it comes out splotchy and ugly, it WAS probably ORIGINAL and the toning too deep to remove properly. What a way to find out!

BillJones · January 22, 2009 3:43AM

No.

It's dipped out with a scrubbed up look to it. It would have to very cheap for me to shell out money for this one. It's got no character, and early coins need that to be worthwhile.

MillerJW · January 22, 2009 4:05AM

sorry doesnt look origional to me

Nysoto · January 22, 2009 4:37AM

In general I do not like the coin, but there are some situations where I will buy a recently dipped coin:

As a representative of the type - no way

For a date or Redbook set - no

For the PCGS message board show and tell - no

As part of the 453 coins needed for a complete CBH set - yes

For numismatic study of the die variety and die stage - yes

If the coin was a very rare variety (this one is not) - yes

MikeInFL · January 22, 2009 4:44AM

I'm sorry to say that this coin doesn't appeal to me.

jdillane · January 22, 2009 7:01AM

Looks like a few whispy hairlines and plenty of luster and enough meat to justify a 50. Worst case is 45pq. It appears the dies had some use, particularly the reverse, before this coin was struck.

This is an older ANACS holder. Lets face it when this coin slabbed, PCGS and NGC would have slabbed it too.

Sure, crusty originals are best. Near the other end of the spectrum are bright white, polished and hairlined specimens. Since this coin if freed will settle down in time color-wise, I'd be happy to have her.

Dipped coins that materially blunt the luster and that look lifeless will BB. This one may cross if not hairlined beyond the whisps seen, though might only get 45.

I love the early years!!

stman · January 22, 2009 7:23AM

Yeah, put some of that "pretty blue" around the periph and folks would be falling over themselves and giving high fives how great and eye-appealing the coin is with great culla!!!

stman · January 22, 2009 8:10AM

<< It is coins like this that get graded that hurts ANACS >>

I hear ya

thisnamztaken · January 22, 2009 8:17AM

<< 

<< It looks buffed or polished, but it's still better than modern cr*p. >>

That bust was modern 190 years ago.

>>

I know, but I was just a young kid back then and my tastes have changed now!

coinkat · January 23, 2009 7:29AM

stman:

Thanks for the link... looks as if several folks have some serious explaining to do and I will gladly participate and start the discussion by thanking you for finding today's poster coin which exemplifies the need for an original surfaces designation...

After seing the coin pictured I feel better... better get me a bucket I think I am going to throw up

jdillane · January 23, 2009 7:40AM

<< stman:

Thanks for the link... looks as if several folks have some serious explaining to do and I will gladly participate and start the discussion by thanking you for finding today's poster coin which exemplifies the need for an original surfaces designation...

After seing the coin pictured I feel better... better get me a bucket I think I am going to throw up >>

Coinkat, the link is not the same coin that was pictured in the OP. The linked coin is decidedly much worse!

JRocco · January 23, 2009 7:47AM

<< 

<< It is coins like this that get graded that hurts ANACS >>

I hear ya >>

Come on stman, this one has it all
It is shiny
It is colorful (well a little bit of it is)
It is slabbed
AND
It is stickered

As near perfection as a bust half collector could want.

coinkat · January 23, 2009 7:54AM

Okay...

Just to avoid any confusion, I lost my lunch over the 1803 Half that was graded VF30 and it obtained a CAC sticker... what a train wreck and how that coin merits a sticker is well beyond understanding. If I am alone in my view, well... then maybe it is time to just sell the US coins I own and move completely to the darkside

JRocco · January 23, 2009 9:38AM

Just for the records. The coin in the OP was obviously dipped. It needs to be cracked out of the plastic and allowed to retone gradually in a non abusive environment for a few years, well maybe a little longer than a few. It will be less desirable than before the acid treatment, but it will still be a collectible coin in the future. Remember that the mint ain't making any more of these. The Chinese on the other hand.....

coinkat · January 24, 2009 6:04AM

Please see #2 in original post...

Capped Bust Half - Does anyone like this coin?

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