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Take a look at Koufax rookie on the Bay. Hilarious!

RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
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Legit? Hilarious
Ron Burgundy

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  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    It's an 8 OC, the flash covers the OC.
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  • BPorter26BPorter26 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What a joke, You can tell the card is off center on the back of it. Flash covers up the OC
    "EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE ON THE WALL" - JACKIE MOON
  • 41GoudeyGuy41GoudeyGuy Posts: 565 ✭
    ITEM INFORMATION
    Cert Verification #: 06472518
    Year: 1955
    Brand: TOPPS
    Card Number: 123
    Player: SANDY KOUFAX
    Variety:
    Grade: NEAR MINT-MINT 8 OC


    Very misleading. I'm not convinced the flash covered up that OC. I think it was photoshopped out.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    It was funny yesterday.


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    Steve
    Good for you.
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Nice stain on the back too. Good grief, the card is already up to $2000. Someone is going to be ticked when they get it.
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I saw that too, but is it a stain? the 'stain' is also on the slab making me think it may be a shadow?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • relaxedrelaxed Posts: 569 ✭
    The VCP average for a 55 Koufax is around $2400.00. No were in the description is there a mention of a o/c. Yes whoever wins this card is going to be really UPSET to say the least.
    Collecting 1955 Topps BB
  • brendanb438brendanb438 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭
    Has anyone messaged the seller asking him what is up with that pic being altered? I am interested in what type of response if any he gives.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The guy left himself an out by including the cert number in the title.

    He will say that potential buyers could have looked it up.

    That he has no idea what the qualifier means etc etc

    Scammer in every sense of the word.


    I think at least 10 guys here emailed him asking if it was OC.


    Steve

    edited to add: I don't think he has replied to any of the questions asked of him.

    Good for you.
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I emailed him and will post his response if I get one.
    James
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    Maybe we ALL should report it so Ebay will take notice!?
  • 69Cubs69Cubs Posts: 150 ✭✭
    He doesn't accept returns either.

    Mike
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe we ALL should report it so Ebay will take notice!? >>



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    It has been repeatedly "reported."

    EvilBAY does not care.

    Hopefully, the victim will pay with a credit card.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    I'm goint to take this a step further. I contend that the OC qualifier is not obscured by the flash, but was intentionally editted to appear as though it was part of the flash. The flash would not change the color of the flip surrounding the reflection, but it would obscure it. Notice the change in color of the flip immediately surrounding the secondary "flash." I believe the seller intentionally Photoshopped or otherwise altered the image to make it appear as though it is part of the flash. It is a totally scummy way to do business and in my mind, there is ZERO chance that this was accidental.

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  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    So is this the card where a winning bidder can not pay and still leave an honest feedback?
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  • MphilkingMphilking Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭
    I'm with OTW. I think this may have been intentional. This was mentioned on one of the boards yesterday and several notified Ebay and PMed the seller. I PMed the seller and over a day later have rec'd no response. Another guy is selling a Sandy Koufax Dodgers Hall of Fame Plaque + Auto Item number: 370116177088. I PMed the guy and asked him if it's real, I get a "Of course not, you can't get a Koufax auto for $25". So I asked him to make it clearer and no response. Here is what is in his description.
    "THE PIECE IS PROFESSIONALLY MOUNTED AND MATTED WITH A COPY OF THE BASEBALL GREAT'S AUTHENTIC SIGNATURE TAKEN FROM MY PERSONAL COLLECTION. "
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭
    I reported it to ebay and listed it as a fraudalant listing with a deceptive listing description and explained how the photoshopped glare is blocking the (OC). Maybe a few more people can do the same so everything works out ok.

    Brian
    My Dodgers Rookie Cards Project
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I'm goint to take this a step further. I contend that the OC qualifier is not obscured by the flash, but was intentionally editted to appear as though it was part of the flash. .."

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    I made that allegation in the first thread about this card.

    I told EBAY the thing was PSd and that the seller is a FRAUDster.

    No results, yet.

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    The card can be bought, and honest FB left, BUT the buyer needs to wait
    a day or so before leaving the FB. Otherwise, the crook can prolly have the
    FB removed.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • IchiroDeportedIchiroDeported Posts: 1,610 ✭
    i also contacted the seller
    and reported it to Ebay.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭
    almost every card he has listed with a cert # in the auction title has a qualifier, with no mention of the qualifier in the listing. This guy is a POS !
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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    I sent him a question asking why he is scamming people like this. No response as of yet.

    What would be the repurcussions if someone bid $10,000 on this thing and then didn't pay? I'm thinking about doing that to this POS.
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    No one touch that card, it is mine!
    The flip is photoshopped. It's not the flash.
    The flash give it an added touch, but look closer and you'll
    see how white the flip is surrounding the letters which
    he also covered the OC with.
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭
    He did respond to one of the guys by simply telling him to "F*** OFF".

    I think Scott is right about the photoshop. But if the pic hasn't been retouched, there was another light or two added to create this glare.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "What would be the repurcussions if someone bid $10,000 on this thing and then didn't pay? I'm thinking about doing that to this POS. "

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    Just wait 24-hours or so before you leave FB.

    Don't communicate with the CRIMINAL via EBAY after the close. String him along for a bit,
    and ONLY use regular email to communicate; NOT the EBAY messages thingy.

    The CRIMINAL will file an NPB to get his FVFs back.

    Respond to the NPB that "you discovered the listing was fraudulent after the auction ended."
    EBAY will remove any "strike" the CRIMINAL gives you and they will allow your NEG to stick.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭
    Yep, adding flash to hide stuff takes about 2 minutes???

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  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭


    << <i>He did respond to one of the guys by simply telling him to "F*** OFF". >>



    I contacted this seller yesterday, and got the response back that you see above.

    This guy is a piece of crap, we need to do a number on this guy and bid this card up into the million+ dollar area.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    What is a PSA 5 or 6 - of the SK card - worth retail ?
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • BlackieBlackie Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭
    Wow this aint good.............wish we could warn the bidder.........
    1964 Topps Football
  • SportsamericaSportsamerica Posts: 990 ✭✭
    Ok.. Who bid this up to over $7k??
    Cory
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    1985 Fleer PSA 10 (54.85%)
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    I'm pretty sure the high bidder won't be a paying bidder...
  • goraidersgoraiders Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm pretty sure the high bidder won't be a paying bidder... >>



    Good jobimage
    J.R.
    Needs'
    1972 Football-9's high#'s
    1965 Football-8's
    1958 Topps FB-7-8
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Perfect, I really want this card, I am bidding 1 Million dollars for it.
  • BlackieBlackie Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭
    I reported this too..................just now. Seller is hot!!

    1964 Topps Football
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Would someone mind putting a bid in on this card for $99,999! Thanks!
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Storm a legit 8 goes for around 2k or a lil more.

    a 7 is a 1000.00 card

    a 6 is a 600.00 card

    a 5 is a 450.00 card.

    These are prices from when I actively bought and sold this set.

    They of course could be a lil higher now.

    An 8OC IMO is a 500.00 to 750.00 card depending on how it is OC.

    Many 55's are OC in a way that does not take away from the overall appeal of the card
    usually the sides are 50/50 but the t/b is 90/10 those cards still look nice.

    If the OC is side to side, the eye appeal is lacking.

    Steve

    Good for you.
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    This fool must know that people are messing with him. A true PSA 8 is a 2k card.

    maybe 2,300.00.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • goraidersgoraiders Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭
    I wonder why he doesn't try to hide the O.C.'S on the other cards
    he has up?
    J.R.
    Needs'
    1972 Football-9's high#'s
    1965 Football-8's
    1958 Topps FB-7-8
  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
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  • BlackieBlackie Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭
    I sent a scan of the cert check to ebay................hopefully they will see it.........
    1964 Topps Football
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link: http://www.psacard.com/Cert/06472518.html
  • downtowndowntown Posts: 671 ✭✭✭
    I also sent info on the cert check to ebay the other day, no action yet...
    I collect Seattle Pilots autographs, 1969 Topps autographs, Signed Mickey Mantle Home Run History cards and have a JC Martin collection (he was my college Baseball coach)
    Doug
  • TheVonTheVon Posts: 2,725 ✭
    The auction is up to $7100. What's the FVF for that amount? I hope this guy gets screwed.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    If no sale actually takes place the seller will not have to pay any FVF's

    IMO this seller is just asking for trouble.

    Steve

    Good for you.
  • BPorter26BPorter26 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't believe this card is over $7000
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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Guys, I applaud your fine work here. I think it's a great idea for someone to make sure they "win" the auction and put this defrauder out of bidness on this one.




    RB
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • ahkmedbinladenahkmedbinladen Posts: 494 ✭✭
    Hey Burgundy,
    Please check your Pm and get back to me.
    Thanks
  • 123Slider123Slider Posts: 851 ✭✭
    This is one way to get the VCP averages to go up image
    The best pitch to start a hitter off with is always strike one.
  • bman90278bman90278 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭
    Just wanting to see if anyone is really going to bid on this card??? I want to bid on it, but how high do we need to bid to outbid a legitimate buyer?

    I also sent the seller another question since he has not answered my first one.. I basically said, you know darn well the card is a 8 (OC) card and you have intentionally listed it as a PSA 8 card knowing it will sell for much more money. Additionally you altered the photo as well. You need to do the right thing and end the auction or you will probably get lots of bids from future non-paying bidders. BTW, you are a piece of s_hit and a low life loser.


    Brian
    My Dodgers Rookie Cards Project
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    I think the legit bidders are already out of the picture on this one.

    I checked his other auctions....check out the Fisk RC he has for sale and then check out the scan of the back. It is the rare topps error Fisk Rookie front, Gwynn rookie back, must be worth a million
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
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