It was an interior lineman not a DB who was called on the penalty I am talking about. And having played FB on the line your hands get caught in alot of things. Just like the OT that had his hands in Freeneys facemask all night.
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Well if anyone is listening to ESPN this morning, Mike & Mike are hammering the refs. Obviously that doesn't make any one of us right or wrong, but the OP certainly isn't alone on this issue.
To paraphrase what they are saying:
"The Chargers clearly outplayed the Colts and no one is saying they didn't deserve to win. But the refereees completely handed that game to the Chargers, especially in overtime. It was like the Hochuli thing came full circle. To call defensive holding on a LINEMEN on third down with the game in overtime is ridiculous"
Oh well, it's over now. I guess it doesn't matter how.
If the SD defense could catch the game would have been over by the third quarter. I counted 4 dropped interceptions. Manning looked pretty average. He needed a better performance and as MVP he looked lost most of the day.
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<< <i>As one of the NFL’s best pass rushers of his generation, the Colts’ Dwight Freeney believes that he is held by opposing pass blockers “every single damn play.” Let that serve as a backdrop to the utter disgust the Pro Bowl defensive end displayed as we walked to Indy’s team bus outside Qualcomm on Saturday night over the trio of penalties called against the Colts’ defense that helped facilitate San Diego’s winning touchdown drive in overtime. The rundown: Second-and-4 from the San Diego 43 – Sproles is stopped for no gain, but Eric Foster is called for defensive holding. Third-and-8 from the Indy 40 – Rivers throws incomplete to Chris Chambers, but cornerback Tim Jennings, who helped break up the pass, is called for defensive holding. Next play, first-and-10 at the Colts’ 35 – Sproles is stopped for no gain, but Session, who made the tackle, is whistled for a 15-yard facemask penalty. In my opinion it could be argued that any of the three penalties was justified, and a case could be made that each was unwarranted. But to have all three of them called in that context was regrettable, and the fact that the Chargers were only penalized three times all game (and only once on offense, for an ineligible man downfield) makes it even worse. >>
Manning killed Rivers all day who almost gave the game up 2X. Rivers did nothing to win that game. Manning could have won it but got sacked which I will say is 1/2 his fault, 1/2 the lines fault.
Really they should have run it there and forced more time off the clock and a TO by SD. They made 8 yards on 2 runs before the pass. Going empty Backfield was also a bad call as you gave up the threat of the run. To me it wasn't about Manning looking bad it was bad play calling on that last drive.
There was also dropped INTs by the Colts as well, especially on those last 2 drives. There were also drops by the Colts, at least 5 that I can recall that killed drives or kept them out of FG range.
I think we put way to much blame and success at the QB position but anyone saying Rivers outplayed Manning is just silly.
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I didn't notice anything out of line with the refs but I was rooting for the Charger's so maybe I was bias. More importantly, you sound like a huge baby whinning about the refs after your team loses. They lost a close game. It happens. In my opinion grown adults should not complain about the refs after a game. EVERY single game there are calls that go for one team and/or calls that go for the other. It's the nature of the beast.
I think when it determines the outcome of games it is when it gets people mad. Sure there are penalties and such but in this case 3 questionable calls all in a row basically that gave the game away is going to be hard to ignore.
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I think when it determines the outcome of games it is when it gets people mad. Sure there are penalties and such but in this case 3 questionable calls all in a row basically that gave the game away is going to be hard to ignore.
You win some and you lose some. When I was a kid I always got upset about the refs when my team lost. As an adult I just don't see the value in it... no matter how questionable it may be. It's just life.
As a complete impartial observer, thought the calls were technically correct.
IMO (which means squat), during the playoffs and with less than 2 minutes left, the refs should only call the obvious / blatant fouls (ie face masks, holding, PIs, etc). No game can be officiated at 100% accuracy, regardless of how many refs are on the field.. There will always be a human error in one way or another, period. At the end of the day, you can only hope that the calls are consistant on both sides. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.
Now don't get me wrong, fans are more than welcome to bish, moan, complain, protest, etc... Just remember that the losing team is not the first nor last to get "screwed" by officiating. It's a part of the game and they just have to live with it.
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You can't argue that the Colts were run all over and also choked. Those two things are oxymoronic. You should maybe try seperating your sentences next time.
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<< <i>You can't argue that the Colts were run all over and also choked. Those two things are oxymoronic. You should maybe try seperating your sentences next time. >>
My view of officiating in general is that it just needs to be consistent. If you're going to call the outside corners in the first 8 innings, you should call it in the 9th inning too. It did appear to me (and to the commentators on TV) that the officials in this game were "letting them play" during regulation. And although the penalties called in overtime were all pretty visible and, therefore, hard to dispute, it did seems as if there had been a departure from the "let them play" officiating of the first 4 quarters.
Some calls you just have to make, like that face mask that was called. But Freeney's comment resonated with me: there is holding on every single play in the NFL and it did seem regrettable that they called that holding penalty on 3rd and 8.
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The facemask was not a penalty, just placing your hand on the mask is not a penalty, He did not grab or twist
Exactly what game were you watching??? He definitely grabbed and then twisted the helmet. Maybe you we're talking about a different play??
<< <i>Again, an average QB today can throw for 3,000 yards. Especially when you throw 40-50 times a game. >>
While it is true that 18 players threw for over 3K yards this past regular season, no QB averaged 40 or more pass attempts per game.
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To paraphrase what they are saying:
"The Chargers clearly outplayed the Colts and no one is saying they didn't deserve to win. But the refereees completely handed that game to the Chargers, especially in overtime. It was like the Hochuli thing came full circle. To call defensive holding on a LINEMEN on third down with the game in overtime is ridiculous"
Oh well, it's over now. I guess it doesn't matter how.
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<< <i>As one of the NFL’s best pass rushers of his generation, the Colts’ Dwight Freeney believes that he is held by opposing pass blockers “every single damn play.” Let that serve as a backdrop to the utter disgust the Pro Bowl defensive end displayed as we walked to Indy’s team bus outside Qualcomm on Saturday night over the trio of penalties called against the Colts’ defense that helped facilitate San Diego’s winning touchdown drive in overtime. The rundown: Second-and-4 from the San Diego 43 – Sproles is stopped for no gain, but Eric Foster is called for defensive holding. Third-and-8 from the Indy 40 – Rivers throws incomplete to Chris Chambers, but cornerback Tim Jennings, who helped break up the pass, is called for defensive holding. Next play, first-and-10 at the Colts’ 35 – Sproles is stopped for no gain, but Session, who made the tackle, is whistled for a 15-yard facemask penalty. In my opinion it could be argued that any of the three penalties was justified, and a case could be made that each was unwarranted. But to have all three of them called in that context was regrettable, and the fact that the Chargers were only penalized three times all game (and only once on offense, for an ineligible man downfield) makes it even worse. >>
Really they should have run it there and forced more time off the clock and a TO by SD. They made 8 yards on 2 runs before the pass. Going empty Backfield was also a bad call as you gave up the threat of the run. To me it wasn't about Manning looking bad it was bad play calling on that last drive.
There was also dropped INTs by the Colts as well, especially on those last 2 drives. There were also drops by the Colts, at least 5 that I can recall that killed drives or kept them out of FG range.
I think we put way to much blame and success at the QB position but anyone saying Rivers outplayed Manning is just silly.
You win some and you lose some. When I was a kid I always got upset about the refs when my team lost. As an adult I just don't see the value in it... no matter how questionable it may be. It's just life.
IMO (which means squat), during the playoffs and with less than 2 minutes left, the refs should only call the obvious / blatant fouls (ie face masks, holding, PIs, etc). No game can be officiated at 100% accuracy, regardless of how many refs are on the field.. There will always be a human error in one way or another, period. At the end of the day, you can only hope that the calls are consistant on both sides. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't.
Now don't get me wrong, fans are more than welcome to bish, moan, complain, protest, etc... Just remember that the losing team is not the first nor last to get "screwed" by officiating. It's a part of the game and they just have to live with it.
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<< <i>You can't argue that the Colts were run all over and also choked. Those two things are oxymoronic. You should maybe try seperating your sentences next time. >>
He used a comma. It made sense to me.
Some calls you just have to make, like that face mask that was called. But Freeney's comment resonated with me: there is holding on every single play in the NFL and it did seem regrettable that they called that holding penalty on 3rd and 8.
<< <i> Really stating two things that are polar opposite made sense to you? There must be a lawyer joke in there somewhere. >>
Let it go. Forums are like blogging and there will be grammar errors. It's ok.
I am sure there is... because there always is.