Finally found something worth buying at an Antique Mall. Real?
prscott933
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I didn't pay much and it's nothing overly special but this is the first time in many years that I have found a baseball related item worth buying while at an antique store.
Is it real and what does this usually sell for?
Is it real and what does this usually sell for?
White Whales:
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
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I'd guess real, but I'd need to look at more examples. Nice find.
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But with no PSA/DNA it might get $10-$20.
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<< <i>real deal Brett; how much did you pay? >>
$15. The Monarchs hat alone goes for more than that here in KC (at least at the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum).
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
oh us people from wv
Chris
My small collection
Want List:
'61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
Cardinal T206 cards
Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
Bobby
<< <i>Nice find, Paul! What antique mall were you at? The one in Liberty?
Chris >>
the one over in Parkville. the only thing i've bought at the one in Liberty has been LPs (yeah, I switched back to vinyl).
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
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<< <i>real deal Brett; how much did you pay? >>
$15. The Monarchs hat alone goes for more than that here in KC (at least at the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum). >>
That's an authentic Brett sig. Pretty good buy. I would pay that for the hat alone. Congrats!
<< <i>Looks like his auto.
But with no PSA/DNA it might get $10-$20. >>
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I agree that it looks like Brett's sig, but rarely will you find Brett's sig where the the "B" and "r" in Brett are connected.
That's the only part that raises any doubt in my mind.
Both Brett items that my son had him sign in-person have the B & r separated; one's a glove, the other's a bat.
Might be because he ran out of space on the cap or ?
Good luck and a great price!
JMHO,
PoppaJ
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Again, nice cap.
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<< <i>Looks like his auto.
But with no PSA/DNA it might get $10-$20. >>
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I agree that it looks like Brett's sig, but rarely will you find Brett's sig where the the "B" and "r" in Brett are connected.
That's the only part that raises any doubt in my mind.
Both Brett items that my son had him sign in-person have the B & r separated; one's a glove, the other's a bat.
Might be because he ran out of space on the cap or ?
Good luck and a great price!
JMHO,
PoppaJ >>
It's really not odd or rare that George Brett's sig is connected like you mentioned. He has done that plenty of times. Especially, on signed cards.
<< <i>I think it's kind of irresponsible to cast a bit of doubt of the signature's authenticity by simply stating that the "B" and "R" on the last name are attached based on a sample of two signatures. Anyway, I know this is a printed signature but it comes from the cover of Brett's own book....Believe me I have seen more than two examples....
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Hi,
It was just an observational opinion.
If you'll take a second to re-read my response, you'll see that I did say "I agree that it looks like Brett's sig".
I mearly mentioned that the two unconnected letters bothered me, that's all!
Irresponsible? Since when are opinions irresponsible?
Lighten up
PoppaJ
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
<< <i>Thanks for all the comments guys! I guess I need to go find a nice display case for it
The display case manufacturers are flooding the market with genuine autographed hats to enhance their sales of display cases.
<< <i>It's a nice looking hat. Just wear it. I think you will get more enjoyment out of it than in a display case. It's never going to be worth a ton of money so use it! Just my two cents. >>
i'd think about doing that but that particular hat style looks really really goofy on me. i have a different monarchs hat that fits nicely and isn't autographed.
1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
<< <i>I agree that it looks like Brett's sig, but rarely will you find Brett's sig where the the "B" and "r" in Brett are connected. >>
Brett has had wildly inconsistent signing characteristics over his career. I don't think I have any more to compare, but if you looked at his rookie era signature, mid-career signature, and recent signature, there's no way you could conclude it was the same guy.
The early to mid-career signature usually had the separation in both the G and the B as PoppaJ describes but I've seen a lot of in-person scribbles from later that everything is connected except the G.
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<< <i>I agree that it looks like Brett's sig, but rarely will you find Brett's sig where the the "B" and "r" in Brett are connected. >>
Brett has had wildly inconsistent signing characteristics over his career. I don't think I have any more to compare, but if you looked at his rookie era signature, mid-career signature, and recent signature, there's no way you could conclude it was the same guy.
The early to mid-career signature usually had the separation in both the G and the B as PoppaJ describes but I've seen a lot of in-person scribbles from later that everything is connected except the G. >>
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Hi Jerry,
Good points!
PoppaJ
<< <i>PoppaJ has always played both sides of the coin when giving opinions on the authenticity of signatures. Just objective style information sharing. >>
Or placing doubt where there should not be any?
<< <i>Or placing doubt where there should not be any? >>
And what makes your word so final anyway? Let's not forget that you're the same guy in this thread that said, and this is a direct quote, "I am not going to teach someone how to spot a forgery"
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<< <i>Or placing doubt where there should not be any? >>
And what makes your word so final anyway? Let's not forget that you're the same guy in this thread that said, and this is a direct quote, "I am not going to teach someone how to spot a forgery" >>
And my personal troll is back again.. Surprise, surprise..
And to clarify, this is exactly what I said. No need to twist things into something that it is not:
<<I am not going to teach someone how to spot a forgery, because this is not the place to do such. Besides, there is more than a 5 minute explanation involved in the process. Some folks can be told, and they say they still can't tell the difference between a forgery and an authentic signature. It's not something everyone can pick up on. We all have different abilities in life. What I can do is provide the examples of what is legit, and what is not.>>
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<< <i>So in other words, everyone should just swallow everything you say like Sunday dinner? Go take a walk you pompous windbag
When I start getting it wrong, and you have evidence of such, then come with your garbage. Until then, shut your mouth.
I have yet to see one member of this forum prove any sig I said was good was anything but such. I have helped many folks pre-screen their stuff before they wasted their money or got ripped off.
I even made a $1000 wager with you, backing my opinions on sigs. Just like the coward you are, you dodged taking me up on it.
was to answer with "I posted one I know to be legit look at them both and see the differences"
That is all it would have took.
The other day instead of answering my simple question he replied in a way that created more questions.
And me being the thick headed person that I am of course baited away.
Thank god Dizzle was there to set my mind at ease.
Steve
<< <i>Jesus Christ why dont you give it a goddamn rest with your fake internet wagers. >>
Go verbally abuse your wife, or talk to your kid like that. See how they like it. Go ahead, give it a try. Get their opinions of how that comes across, you moron.
You only do this as a way to try and mock my faith, because you think it might get to me. You are not nearly as sly as you think you are.
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<< <i>PoppaJ has always played both sides of the coin when giving opinions on the authenticity of signatures. Just objective style information sharing. >>
Or placing doubt where there should not be any? >>
I highly doubt that was the intent. There are many folks on this forum who are pretty good with authenticating signatures, some more vocal than others, and each has their own way of confronting any given question. Poppa has consistently taken an objective approach. I see nothing wrong with doing so when confronted with questions that can never have a completely definitive answer, no matter how 100% "certain" any one of us feels.
I agree with you. That was more or less vendetta talk.
Steve
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<< <i>I highly doubt that was the intent........... >>
Ross, do you dare disagree with StanTheAlmighty. Dont you know that he is perfect and never wrong? Even God himself consults with Stan before he does anything major. Having Noah build an ark.....Stan's idea.
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<< <i>PoppaJ has always played both sides of the coin when giving opinions on the authenticity of signatures. Just objective style information sharing. >>
Or placing doubt where there should not be any? >>
I highly doubt that was the intent. There are many folks on this forum who are pretty good with authenticating signatures, some more vocal than others, and each has their own way of confronting any given question. Poppa has consistently taken an objective approach. I see nothing wrong with doing so when confronted with questions that can never have a completely definitive answer, no matter how 100% "certain" any one of us feels. >>
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Hi Ross,
thanks for the backup. I appreciate your comments.
I really don't try to play both sides of the coin, though it may seem that way to a few.
My sons and I and my late father, over a span of 50+ years, have been collecting sports memorabilia of all types including over 600 autographed baseballs, jerseys, gloves, hockey sticks, golf balls, footballs, basketballs, pucks, caps, bats, cleats, and even a few softballs.
I supplied numerous photos of most of these items in my 1st post because we were contemplating selling off our a huge part of our collection and just keeping our now 750+ Mantle cards (all which have now been graded except for the 52s). We're taking them to California, in person, this summer.
Every single autographed item we have except for a couple have been signed in front of either my late father, my sons, or me.
As I have explained in a past thread, PSA/DNA has returned a few items to us, ungraded, as being "questionable authenticity".
While I believe that probably most of the items that PSA/DNA passes as authentic are indeed real sigs, I will always have a touch of doubt unless someone can say that they actually saw the signer in person.
And I know it's not possible for everyone to be able to do this, and many trust the system PSA/DNA and that's great.
But when someone doesn't use the words "in my opinion" or "in my humble opinion" before giving his/her opinion (and that's all it is!), then I tend to question that person's expertise. He/she comes off as a pompous arrogant fool for the sole reason that he/she has no definite proof since he/she wasn't actually present at the signing.
It's just the way I feel. It's my humble opinion.
If you check out most of my replies to different threads, you'll find that I always begin or end with JMHO, PoppaJ.
Again, No One knows or can be 100% Positive about a signature being Authentic, unless they were there.
The key phrase here is "100% Positive"
JMHO,
PoppaJ
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<< <i>I highly doubt that was the intent........... >>
Ross, do you dare disagree with StanTheAlmighty. Dont you know that he is perfect and never wrong? Even God himself consults with Stan before he does anything major. Having Noah build an ark.....Stan's idea. >>
There are many folks in this hobby who are very confident about their subject knowledge, rightfully so in many instances. I'm also aware that a little objectivity, humility, and open-mindedness will go a long way. I know folks fear being labeled as naive, but, sometimes, one can try so hard to be "in the know," that the person in question becomes numb to, and subsequently unaware, of their status in the hobby. A hobby intended to bring about joy and perpetuation of knowledge, but evolves into a platform of self-righteousness. Unfortunate or otherwise, there can be a fine line between being taken seriously and being viewed as a buffoon, and there are many different paths to become the latter.
I think if one wants to be a valued member of any community, the quickest way to do so is to be an unbaised teacher and a thoughtful listener. If that's not the goal, well, to each their own.
That's not a pop shot at anyone, just an observation. I can't speak for anyone else, but that is how I feel about what we do.
<< <i>George Brett was one of my favorite Negro League players. >>
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Only you, Lee! ... Only you!
PoppaJ
Personally, if I say something is 100% legit, I mean that is my honest opinion, and backed with my knowledge of that player's signature. It does not mean anything more or less. JSA, and PSA/DNA have guys with years of experience, doing the same thing. Those guys at PSA/DNA and JSA put their pants on the same as we do. If a person has the proper knowledge that is helpful, then it's great if they will share it. Now if they are giving out wrong opinions, and misleading folks into being ripped off, then that is another thing..
I will say that some vendettas run wild on this board, and that it does get in the way of certain folks admitting that their enemies might just know what they are talking about. Instead, it's easier/more fun to try and insult them, in the attempt to make them look foolish.
It's your sarcasm and arrogance that keeps you from admitting that no one is 100% certain that a sig is real unless they personally witnessed it being signed. That was and still is my premise for doubting so-called professional opinions; nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't bet my life on your accuracy and I doubt if you or anyone else on these boards would either.
In the future, when asked if you think a sig is legit, just simply say, I'm pretty sure that it's legit or It looks real to me, like others do, instead of saying "IT'S 100% REAL" or "IT'S 100% LEGIT". Remember, it's your opinion and nothing else.... unless you were actually there.
Also, please ... there's no need to keep responding with your redundancies just to get the last post in, as you usually are accustomed to doing.
Just let it go.
Now this is something I'd bet my life on!
thanks,
PoppaJ
<< <i>Please don't make light of what I said about JMHO, as I said it with sincerity.
It's your sarcasm and arrogance that keeps you from admitting that no one is 100% certain that a sig is real unless they personally witnessed it being signed. That was and still is my premise for doubting so-called professional opinions; nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't bet my life on your accuracy and I doubt if you or anyone else on these boards would either.
Also, please ... there's no need to keep responding with your redundancies just to get the last post in, as you usually are accustomed to doing.
Just let it go.
Now this is something I'd bet my life on!
thanks,
PoppaJ >>
I was trying to be sincere with my last reply, but you come back with the typical smarty pants answer. I figured that was coming.
And for the record, I doubt anyone would bet their life on anything so juvenile, whether it's my opinion, PSA's, or JSA's, but that is just your way of trying to twist the knife a little more. I know, I know.. you always like to pop off at me, so you can get the last word. Go ahead, it's yours. You can have the honor, just reply once more, and you ~win~.
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<< <i>Please don't make light of what I said about JMHO, as I said it with sincerity.
It's your sarcasm and arrogance that keeps you from admitting that no one is 100% certain that a sig is real unless they personally witnessed it being signed. That was and still is my premise for doubting so-called professional opinions; nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't bet my life on your accuracy and I doubt if you or anyone else on these boards would either.
Also, please ... there's no need to keep responding with your redundancies just to get the last post in, as you usually are accustomed to doing.
Just let it go.
Now this is something I'd bet my life on!
thanks,
PoppaJ >>
I was trying to be sincere with my last reply, but you come back with the typical smarty pants answer. I figured that was coming.
And for the record, I doubt anyone would bet their life on anything so juvenile, whether it's my opinion, PSA's, or JSA's, but that is just your way of trying to twist the knife a little more. I know, I know.. you always like to pop off at me, so you can get the last word. Go ahead, it's yours. You can have the honor, just reply once more, and you ~win~. >>
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I knew it! I knew you couldn't just let it go!
I've received numerous PMs telling me that you would definitely have to get the last word in!
By saying " Just because some don't put that little "jmho" phrase in every reply" is your way of trying to be sincere?????
Let's try it again ....
Let it go!
All bets down!
PoppaJ
p.s. Just PM me .... don't subject the rest of the guys with your nonsense!
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<< <i>Please don't make light of what I said about JMHO, as I said it with sincerity.
It's your sarcasm and arrogance that keeps you from admitting that no one is 100% certain that a sig is real unless they personally witnessed it being signed. That was and still is my premise for doubting so-called professional opinions; nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't bet my life on your accuracy and I doubt if you or anyone else on these boards would either.
Also, please ... there's no need to keep responding with your redundancies just to get the last post in, as you usually are accustomed to doing.
Just let it go.
Now this is something I'd bet my life on!
thanks,
PoppaJ >>
I was trying to be sincere with my last reply, but you come back with the typical smarty pants answer. I figured that was coming.
And for the record, I doubt anyone would bet their life on anything so juvenile, whether it's my opinion, PSA's, or JSA's, but that is just your way of trying to twist the knife a little more. I know, I know.. you always like to pop off at me, so you can get the last word. Go ahead, it's yours. You can have the honor, just reply once more, and you ~win~. >>
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I knew it! I knew you couldn't just let it go!
I've received numerous PMs telling me that you would definitely have to get the last word in!
By saying " Just because some don't put that little "jmho" phrase in every reply" is your way of trying to be sincere?????
Let's try it again ....
Let it go!
All bets down!
PoppaJ
p.s. Just PM me .... don't subject the rest of the guys with your nonsense! >>
Good! Receive your pms, emails, red alerts, whatever it takes to make your feel liked and validated. I can count on one hand who most of those pms were from. The same backstabbers that occupy this place on a daily basis.
Maybe you need to let it go. Also, you don't tell me what to post, or how to post it, as long as I stay within the forum's rules..
But... don't expect me to let it go when you come back popping off at me, and baiting some trap, just so you can say "ha, ha, I knew I could provoke you into responding"....
I did explain one thing in this thread, and that was that Brett's sig being connected was not all that rare, like you said it was. I provided examples to show you were wrong. If that makes you mad, sore, or irritated, I'm sorry. It was not meant to rub you wrong, I was just saying that your observations of that being a rarity were simply not true.