I bet we would have bible study at lunch, no kidding he mentioned it to me and I thought he was joking.
Guy is what I would call company inbred. He has only dealt with his own "kind" so long he doesn't understand other "cultures" and how to deal with the rest of the industry.
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<< <i>Just for you, Jason, I will boycot popcorn and church for the rest of the year. >>
Me too. It's going to take every ounce of willpower I have, but as a showing of CU solidarity I'll do everything in my worldly power to try and avoid church for the next 11 months. It's going to be touch and go around Easter, but hopefully I can persevere. >>
I'm just hoping that I don't die in the next 11 months. They'll have to have my service at the VFW or something... And if my kids decide to get married, that'll be at the IHOP. We're doing Easter next to the flower display at Walmart this spring. Now, I've just gotta remember to order nachos while I'm at the movies! >>
That's classic, Scott!
Funny sidebar to this-- back before my Dad found himself at the clearing at the end of the woods we used to have these little contests around Christmas where we would see who could send the other the most tasteless Christian-themed gift. He had some doozies, but he had to admit that he would forever be stuck with the place money after I bought this plastic body armor suit called the 'Full Body Armor of God', then got into a few 40's of Schlitz and stripped down to my boxers and had my wife take pictures of me galavanting around the house in this plastic armor that was molded to fit a six year old. I made a book out of the pictures, which I called the 'Life and Times of Dad's Little Crusader'. Trust me-- Bill's photos have nothing on these lulus.
When my Dad died I was essentially left with two family heirlooms: A blue lightbulb that has a gold-painted figure of the crucifixion in the place of the filiment, and a miniature noose which he made on one of his benders that we used to hang on the Christmas tree as a ornament. The bulb broke this year, so now I'm down to the noose.
<< <i>I appreciate the sentiments and after consulting with some of my friends and HR types I am going to file a formal complaint against this manager. I am going to remind them that they cannot discriminate based on religion or perception of someones religion. I want a written letter stating exactly what was said that was offensive and if they have other "witnesses to the event", how it violated their "core values" and how that changes my competency for the position.
It won't do anything but maybe remind this donkey butt that you can't make use moral judements about someones character based on one word and use it to make hiring decisions. He needs to be knocked down a little off his high horse. Maybe he will use real reasons such as competency, experience and salary demands to make decisions in the future.
I will also ask that they pay me for the mileage for all the interview trips (most companies offer to pay they didn't) and I am considering asking for full restitution for my vacation days I had to take from my current job. >>
After you get your response from them ( Good or Bad ), a simple phone call to the Equal Employment Occupation Commission [ EEOC ] Will get things rolling, and you'll get their attention.
I'm really sorry this happened to you, as Pop Weaver is the only popcorn we use in our Concession Business and my son is a Boy Scout, but by the sounds of what happened other employees in this company are being discriminated against on a daily basis by the fact you were told about the religion tone ahead of time.
I have never had religion brought up in an interview and I've had plenty of interviews.
-John
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I will post their mission statement tomorrow when I bring it home from work. It is very humourous and creepy at the same time.
It wasn't a company thing just this guy, always bringing up god and religion throughout the interviews and to say he was going to pray and consult god to make his decision doesn't leave alot of room to wiggle in my mind. Again, if he would of said we had a more qualified candidate end of story.
It is funny he used to be in charge of the whole operations unit (manufacturing and all its employees) now he is in charge of R&D only (1 scientist and 1 packaging engineer) maybe he has had other issues??????
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That's the problem, the company is so afraid of him / her now they don't want to get sued from him they let him push his agenda on their company. They've enabled him / her for so long, in the long run they and most other Managers / Employees would probably welcome a visit from the EEOC it would be better for the Company.
Send a letter requesting what you want to be compensated for, Call the EEOC and then move on. If it's worth anything, the EEOC if they feel it is worth litigation they do it on your behalf for free.
-John
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<< <i>Thanks, I am in no real need of moving on, just looking for better opportunities if the come along. I have been looking almost 2 years and turned down Coke and Cadbury Schweppes already. For some reason my resume looks really good to beverage companies even though I haven't made a beverage in 11 years. >>
Now if you were to work for Mountain Dew, we would really have to talk!!
It's a pre-measured 10 serving packet that is used mostly with large popcorn machines. I wish I could boycott that company, but that they're the only place I can get those packs. I buy those stupid things by the case. Schools, carnivals, etc. use machines that mostly use "Nakspaks"
"The Sipe market is ridiculous right now" CDsNuts, 1/9/15
Here is their mission statement. Note spiritually listed below.
WEAVER POPCORN COMPANY: MISSION STATEMENT “COME GROW WITH US” Physically - To Live Socio-Emotionally - To Love Mentally - To Learn Spiritually - To Leave A Legacy
MY COMMITMENT TO MYSELF, MY ASSOCIATES, AND MY COMPANY (My Values)
I AM TRUSTWORTHY • I must be trustworthy to have effective relationships. • I will live up to my (our) commitments. • I will resolve all issues with honest and prompt discussion. If I think it or feel it, I will say it. • If I fail to talk about issues, I am being dishonest by omission. • I will discuss issues with the person involved before I talk to others. • I prefer to discuss issues face-to-face. • I will admit mistakes when they occur, learn from them and enable others to do the same. • I will bruise hard and heal fast. • I will listen to others because I respect them and am genuinely interested in new ideas and differing viewpoints. • I am interdependent and I know my team can accomplish more than I can alone.
I AM ALIGNED WITH OUR MISSION AND VALUES • I have a principle-centered mission and in pursuing that mission, I will: ..be proactive ..begin with the end in mind ..put first things first • In my relationships, I will: ..think win-win ..seek to understand, then be understood ..synergize……believing together we can find the best ways. • My responsibilities and involvement with our company support my mission. • If I do not embrace our company’s mission, values, and vision, I will leave the company. • I understand my role in achieving our company’s mission, values, and vision and I am committed to reaching them.
I AM EMPOWERED • I own my employability. • I am fully capable of carrying out my responsibilities. • I can learn anything I set my mind to and I will acquire the skills and knowledge needed for taking on new responsibilities. • I am confident in my skills and knowledge and I could work at many places, but I choose to work at Weaver. • I take responsibility for clarifying and understanding the expectations of my role. • I will use our mission, values, and vision to make decisions. • I can influence every issue in our company. • I make my decisions from an owner’s perspective because I am an owner. • I am not compliant; I am committed.
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP • I will challenge the way we are doing things and thrive on improving. • I improve more by aiming for perfection and missing than aiming for mediocrity and hitting it. • I will find the best ways to do things, regardless of the effect on short-term costs, short-term efficiency or even my job. • I will never use “It was a good business decision” as rationale for not living up to these values. • My job is not completed until our customers and consumers are delighted. • I will be relentless in pursuing our mission, living our values and achieving our vision.
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Perry, it is fine to use any criteria for hiring and firing you want as I said if they just told me it was due to qualifications I would be ok with it. CW (my potential manager) made it a point to tell me I was the leading candidate until I uttered (supposedly) a curse word, at that point he made a moral decision about my character and used that to make his decision. Since I did not fit in with his "values" (hint Christian) he did not hire me.
You should never use personal issues when telling people why they are hired or fired, it sould be based on job performance or other job related criteria. Looking at their mission statement I don't see what I did was so egregious that I wouldn't fit in with those statements.
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It sounds like you have a stable job now and the popcorn was an upgrade, but maybe you're lucky you didn't get it. If they're wacky enough to not hire you because you said "damn" then maybe they're not for you.
I have to worry about politically correct things all day long and can't imagine having to worry about religiously correct things all day as well.
You're talented enough that the right job will come and hopefully at a company with a better environment.
But I agree with those who say you should at the very least send a letter of complaint.
CONGRATS. Being employed AND happy with the job is truely rare in my experience. I'm in a slightly different boat. I am currently employed, but I really HATE my job and have been trying really hard to get out of it and into something (or someone else). The only issue is, it does pay fairly well and now that the economy has taken a downturn, it's really hard to just get up and leave to find something comparable (got the family to think about).
True, I am negotiating a new job from a position of power, so I can wait until it's just right. I have called their Corporate HR Manager but had to leave a message. We will see how this is resolved. My recruiter was sympathetic to my cause and said it wasn't the first time something odd happened with them. He told me they didn't hire a maintenence mgr one time due to his constant use of a specific anacronym for some process control software that sounded like a dirty word but was the industry standard way of describing it.
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<< <i>He told me they didn't hire a maintenence mgr one time due to his constant use of a specific anacronym for some process control software that sounded like a dirty word but was the industry standard way of describing it. >>
Yeah, that Control Unit Network Transfer software system is pretty good.
<< <i>Yeah, that Control Unit Network Transfer software system is pretty good. >>
LMAO! Nice one.
Morgoth, I'm sorry for your experience with this company.
I'm also sorry that this guy really seems to reflect what a lot of people say they despise about Christianity. I think it's regrettable that people will say things like "I'm going to pray about it and let God decide." While it's admirable to be prayerful and to approach things from that perspective, my feeling has always been that God doesn't care what kind of toothpaste you buy or if you hire Fred instead of Barney. If the guy doesn't want to hire you because you said "damn" then it's his will at work, but who knows if it was actually God's will too? If you're really a "lost soul," then didn't this guy just lose the perfect opportunity to convert you?
That said, I know that damn is a pretty common word that most of us don't even bat an eye over. But I also know that a few people do find it offensive especially if they come from a religous background since the commandment asks us not to take the Lord's name in vain. Some people extend that (or seem to extend that) to include not saying damn because it's a reduction of asking God to damn something or someone. I'm sure that doesn't make it feel right to you, but I just thought I'd put it out there as a way of trying to explain the seemingly inexplicable.
<< <i>• I will admit mistakes when they occur, learn from them and enable others to do the same. >>
This may be something that could back to haunt them in this case. Try throwing this back at them if/when you decide the job isn't going to happen and you are looking for some $$ for time wasted. After all, you can't learn from your mistakes if you are not allowed to.
'During the interview it was stressed to me how Christian my boss is and he quoted me scripture during the interview and said he would ask god's guidence to make his choice and whaterver choice he made would be with god's hand"
dude file your lawsuit.
Or show with a bible and shove it up this clowns rectum sideways.
they are hiring a scientis, not a Cathecism teacher.
It's against the law to use religion as a reason for withholding employment. That is my main issue.
UPDATE: Talked to their HR Manager and it is classic spinning.
Now there were 3 candidates for the position as opposed to the two that I was told and my recruiter were told about.
The third candidate came out of nowhere in the last few days and had 2 Master degrees, more years of experience and more related expereience (I really find it hard to believe they could get a 2X master degree guy with more than 12 yrs experience at the pay they were offering me or that role).
He said the information relayed to me by the recruiter (WHO WORKS FOR WEAVER NOT ME MIND YOU) was completely wrong, however the HR guy admitted that he did not know everything said to my recruiter by the hiring manager so how would he really know. Also to what benefit is it to the recruiter to withhold that knowledge. Especially when I called him today to tell him what I was doing, it was to his benefit to tell me all the reasons for my not getting the job, he didn't he even relayed another similar story to me.
They dismissed everything very offhand while saying they take it very seriously. I had to say 3 times that I was specifically upset with the hiring managers personal attack on me and his use of his christian values to make his decision before he agreed to "talk" with him.
He tried to sooth it by saying how great I was, if I thought he was being straight with me and even wanted to know what my SB plans where. When I tried to let him go he asked if I was ok with the situation, and I told him that I was still considering filing a complaint with the EOEC he said that was too bad as he thought I was a good guy.
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<< <i> The third candidate came out of nowhere in the last few days and had 2 Master degrees, more years of experience and more related expereience (I really find it hard to believe they could get a 2X master degree guy with more than 12 yrs experience at the pay they were offering me or that role).
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I can't imagine it would be easy for them to produce that guy during discovery for your EEO complaint. A guy that they hired now, with those credentials, along with his application/resume that showed up at the last minute.
I believe that it is the substitute word for DASM ("S" used to replace a potentially offending letter). I think the advertising slogan is, "Pop Weaver, nakspak good popcorn."
I found a new job with Sensient Technologies the third or fourth (depending on how you count) largest flavor and color company in the world.
I will be a Sr. Scientist with them heading up their autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and other proteins subdivision. I basically get to start it up from scratch so that should be fun.
The big thing for me (besides the 15% raise) is I get a chance to study and learn to be a flavor chemist. It takes 5 years minimum to become a flavor chemist and only 3 companies in the US offer the apprenticeship.
I also get much more time off as in my current job I work 70 hours a week from July to October with no vacations.
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<< <i>I found a new job with Sensient Technologies the third or fourth (depending on how you count) largest flavor and color company in the world.
I will be a Sr. Scientist with them heading up their autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and other proteins subdivision. I basically get to start it up from scratch so that should be fun.
The big thing for me (besides the 15% raise) is I get a chance to study and learn to be a flavor chemist. It takes 5 years minimum to become a flavor chemist and only 3 companies in the US offer the apprenticeship.
I also get much more time off as in my current job I work 70 hours a week from July to October with no vacations. >>
OK Mr. Griswold (movie reference if you didn't know.) That sounds like a really good opportunity for you. Congrats.
By the way, did you ever hear if the guy you interviewed with at the other company got canned?
A complaint was filed and that is all I ever heard. I was told most likely they will get a warning but EOC will most likely decide not to file suite.
Vacation is one of my favorite movies due to CC being a Food Scientist, too bad you don't get bonuses (in companies I have worked for at least) for your ideas and intellectual property.
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<< <i>A complaint was filed and that is all I ever heard. I was told most likely they will get a warning but EOC will most likely decide not to file suite.
Vacation is one of my favorite movies due to CC being a Food Scientist, too bad you don't get bonuses (in companies I have worked for at least) for your ideas and intellectual property. >>
Most if not all of the jobs I interviewed for (although in a totally unrelated field) has the same intellectual property/patent disclaimer.
Come on Lee. I know this sort of thing is funny to you but it isn't to many of us...well, at least it isn't to me. I empathize with the OP in this situation. Still, I don't think it helps anything to add mocking wisecracks like this. Let's try to keep the discussion respectful. Bobby
Come on Lee. I know this sort of thing is funny to you but it isn't to many of us...well, at least it isn't to me. I empathize with the OP in this situation. Still, I don't think it helps anything to add mocking wisecracks like this. Let's try to keep the discussion respectful. Bobby
Morgoth was denied a job because he harmlessly uttered the word "damn" under his breath. If that doesn't deserve to be mocked than I don't know what does. And if you're offended at my mocking the situation, then in my book you're equally to blame for the overall downward spiral of the world as the guy who denied Morgoth the job. The entire world needs to lighten up and not take things so seriously.
Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate.
<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control.
"...If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it...."
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The horrible kid from the Karate Kid movie is in famous company with his alleged hasty generalization.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
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Most religionists that do not fly stolen airplanes into my buildings, or blow themsleves up while standing next to me at WalMart are fairly good to go in my book.
It is rather odd, I suppose, that Chrstians are about the only group of Americans that other Americans can still freely and openly disparage.
Whackos that run popcorn companies don't help the cause.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control. >>
This is true. I do typically ignore most things. I simply felt the need to say something this time as it struck a nerve with me. Oh well. It is really not a big deal. No harm, no foul. Seriously though, I am beginning to understand the conspiracy theory out there that you and Lee are one and the same. Maybe I really am just taking it all too serious.
Carry on, boys!
EDIT: That's a great Gandhi quote, Storm. I forgot all about that one.
Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you. The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate.
Maybe I just don't get the whole taking the lord's name in vain philosophy. Who exactly is it hurting? Clearly I'm the one committing the sin, so why should you care? I'm not directly insulting anybody or accusing them of anything. I'm not physically hurting or stealing from anybody. If your belief structure is based on the philosophy that a random person cannot say the word 'Jesus' in a less than serious manner without you getting offended, then I guess I was inadvertently and indirectly mocking you even though that clearly was not my intent. I apologize that you are so easily offended. I guess that's the difference between people like you and people like me- you are free to say anything you want about what I believe in and I really don't care because those are my beliefs and I'm happy with them. I have Christian friends who feel the same way. Everybody has a different set of beliefs and it's stupid to get in a tizzy every time someone says something you don't agree with.
What you're doing right now is no different in my eyes than how Morgoth was treated by his interviewer. Trying to sensor someone's verbage on a message board is just as silly as denying somebody a job because they don't have the same exact set of beliefs you do.
I seriously am glad Morgoth found a better job situation than working for that a$$clown, and I apologize for derailing the thread by trying to interject some humor about the situation which some people might not have found funny.
<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control. >>
This is true. I do typically ignore most things. I simply felt the need to say something this time as it struck a nerve with me. Oh well. It is really not a big deal. No harm, no foul. Seriously though, I am beginning to understand the conspiracy theory out there that you and Lee are one and the same. Maybe I really am just taking it all too serious.
Carry on, boys!
EDIT: That's a great Gandhi quote, Storm. I forgot all about that one. >>
That's fine-- and I, for one, have certainly jumped on issues in situations where I've later regretted my remarks, so I'm the last person who should be judging this. But recognize that there are people out there- myself amongst them-- who don't have one fiber of their being that is even willing to entertain the idea that Jesus was the son of God, or died for out sins, or whatever. Just as you have a right to openly mock issues in which I have a deep emotional investment, I too have every right to mock your religious beliefs. It comes around and it goes around, and on your best days you just shrug off the stuff that makes you roll your eyes. And in the way the board slowly moves forward.
<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control. >>
This is true. I do typically ignore most things. I simply felt the need to say something this time as it struck a nerve with me. Oh well. It is really not a big deal. No harm, no foul. Seriously though, I am beginning to understand the conspiracy theory out there that you and Lee are one and the same. Maybe I really am just taking it all too serious.
Carry on, boys!
EDIT: That's a great Gandhi quote, Storm. I forgot all about that one. >>
That's fine-- and I, for one, have certainly jumped on issues in situations where I've later regretted my remarks, so I'm the last person who should be judging this. But recognize that there are people out there- myself amongst them-- who don't have one fiber of their being that is even willing to entertain the idea that Jesus was the son of God, or died for out sins, or whatever. Just as you have a right to openly mock issues in which I have a deep emotional investment, I too have every right to mock your religious beliefs. It comes around and it goes around, and on your best days you just shrug off the stuff that makes you roll your eyes. And in the way the board slowly moves forward. >>
I don't entirely agree with your assessment concerning our rights but I do understand you. Let's just let this one die.
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Guy is what I would call company inbred. He has only dealt with his own "kind" so long he doesn't understand other "cultures" and how to deal with the rest of the industry.
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<< <i>Just for you, Jason, I will boycot popcorn and church for the rest of the year. >>
Me too. It's going to take every ounce of willpower I have, but as a showing of CU solidarity I'll do everything in my worldly power to try and avoid church for the next 11 months. It's going to be touch and go around Easter, but hopefully I can persevere. >>
I'm just hoping that I don't die in the next 11 months. They'll have to have my service at the VFW or something... And if my kids decide to get married, that'll be at the IHOP. We're doing Easter next to the flower display at Walmart this spring. Now, I've just gotta remember to order nachos while I'm at the movies! >>
That's classic, Scott!
Funny sidebar to this-- back before my Dad found himself at the clearing at the end of the woods we used to have these little contests around Christmas where we would see who could send the other the most tasteless Christian-themed gift. He had some doozies, but he had to admit that he would forever be stuck with the place money after I bought this plastic body armor suit called the 'Full Body Armor of God', then got into a few 40's of Schlitz and stripped down to my boxers and had my wife take pictures of me galavanting around the house in this plastic armor that was molded to fit a six year old. I made a book out of the pictures, which I called the 'Life and Times of Dad's Little Crusader'. Trust me-- Bill's photos have nothing on these lulus.
When my Dad died I was essentially left with two family heirlooms: A blue lightbulb that has a gold-painted figure of the crucifixion in the place of the filiment, and a miniature noose which he made on one of his benders that we used to hang on the Christmas tree as a ornament. The bulb broke this year, so now I'm down to the noose.
<< <i>I appreciate the sentiments and after consulting with some of my friends and HR types I am going to file a formal complaint against this manager. I am going to remind them that they cannot discriminate based on religion or perception of someones religion. I want a written letter stating exactly what was said that was offensive and if they have other "witnesses to the event", how it violated their "core values" and how that changes my competency for the position.
It won't do anything but maybe remind this donkey butt that you can't make use moral judements about someones character based on one word and use it to make hiring decisions. He needs to be knocked down a little off his high horse. Maybe he will use real reasons such as competency, experience and salary demands to make decisions in the future.
I will also ask that they pay me for the mileage for all the interview trips (most companies offer to pay they didn't) and I am considering asking for full restitution for my vacation days I had to take from my current job. >>
After you get your response from them ( Good or Bad ), a simple phone call to the Equal Employment Occupation Commission [ EEOC ] Will get things rolling, and you'll get their attention.
I'm really sorry this happened to you, as Pop Weaver is the only popcorn we use in our Concession Business and my son is a Boy Scout, but by the sounds of what happened other employees in this company are being discriminated against on a daily basis by the fact you were told about the religion tone ahead of time.
I have never had religion brought up in an interview and I've had plenty of interviews.
-John
Ebay ID: jrconcessi
Collecting 1993 Finest Refractors & All Refractors 1993 - 2001, 1964 Topps Psa 8.5 or Better
Soon to be Collecting 1966 Batman Color and all Hall of Famers in all Sports in as High a Grade as I can Afford.
It wasn't a company thing just this guy, always bringing up god and religion throughout the interviews and to say he was going to pray and consult god to make his decision doesn't leave alot of room to wiggle in my mind. Again, if he would of said we had a more qualified candidate end of story.
It is funny he used to be in charge of the whole operations unit (manufacturing and all its employees) now he is in charge of R&D only (1 scientist and 1 packaging engineer) maybe he has had other issues??????
That's the problem, the company is so afraid of him / her now they don't want to get sued from him they let him push his agenda on their company. They've enabled him / her for so long, in the long run they and most other Managers / Employees would probably welcome a visit from the EEOC it would be better for the Company.
Send a letter requesting what you want to be compensated for, Call the EEOC and then move on. If it's worth anything, the EEOC if they feel it is worth litigation they do it on your behalf for free.
-John
Ebay ID: jrconcessi
Collecting 1993 Finest Refractors & All Refractors 1993 - 2001, 1964 Topps Psa 8.5 or Better
Soon to be Collecting 1966 Batman Color and all Hall of Famers in all Sports in as High a Grade as I can Afford.
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I would not call the govt until after the popcorn-poppers
had rejected the terms of my demand letter.
Such letters are usually best received when penned on
a lawyer's letterhead.
Make sure that all incidentals that were spent/lost on the
interview process are demanded.
-John
Ebay ID: jrconcessi
Collecting 1993 Finest Refractors & All Refractors 1993 - 2001, 1964 Topps Psa 8.5 or Better
Soon to be Collecting 1966 Batman Color and all Hall of Famers in all Sports in as High a Grade as I can Afford.
still, i might not say why, just tell them they wouldnt be a good fit for my company..
<< <i>Thanks, I am in no real need of moving on, just looking for better opportunities if the come along. I have been looking almost 2 years and turned down Coke and Cadbury Schweppes already. For some reason my resume looks really good to beverage companies even though I haven't made a beverage in 11 years. >>
Now if you were to work for Mountain Dew, we would really have to talk!!
<< <i>What is "nakspak" anyways? >>
It's a pre-measured 10 serving packet that is used mostly with large popcorn machines.
I wish I could boycott that company, but that they're the only place I can get those packs. I buy those stupid things by the case.
Schools, carnivals, etc. use machines that mostly use "Nakspaks"
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
WEAVER POPCORN COMPANY: MISSION STATEMENT
“COME GROW WITH US”
Physically - To Live
Socio-Emotionally - To Love
Mentally - To Learn
Spiritually - To Leave A Legacy
MY COMMITMENT TO MYSELF, MY ASSOCIATES, AND MY COMPANY (My Values)
I AM TRUSTWORTHY
• I must be trustworthy to have effective relationships.
• I will live up to my (our) commitments.
• I will resolve all issues with honest and prompt discussion. If I think it or feel it, I will say it.
• If I fail to talk about issues, I am being dishonest by omission.
• I will discuss issues with the person involved before I talk to others.
• I prefer to discuss issues face-to-face.
• I will admit mistakes when they occur, learn from them and enable others to do the same.
• I will bruise hard and heal fast.
• I will listen to others because I respect them and am genuinely interested in new ideas and differing viewpoints.
• I am interdependent and I know my team can accomplish more than I can alone.
I AM ALIGNED WITH OUR MISSION AND VALUES
• I have a principle-centered mission and in pursuing that mission, I will:
..be proactive
..begin with the end in mind
..put first things first
• In my relationships, I will:
..think win-win
..seek to understand, then be understood
..synergize……believing together we can find the best ways.
• My responsibilities and involvement with our company support my mission.
• If I do not embrace our company’s mission, values, and vision, I will leave the company.
• I understand my role in achieving our company’s mission, values, and vision and I am committed to reaching them.
I AM EMPOWERED
• I own my employability.
• I am fully capable of carrying out my responsibilities.
• I can learn anything I set my mind to and I will acquire the skills and knowledge needed for taking on new responsibilities.
• I am confident in my skills and knowledge and I could work at many places, but I choose to work at Weaver.
• I take responsibility for clarifying and understanding the expectations of my role.
• I will use our mission, values, and vision to make decisions.
• I can influence every issue in our company.
• I make my decisions from an owner’s perspective because I am an owner.
• I am not compliant; I am committed.
I WILL NEVER GIVE UP
• I will challenge the way we are doing things and thrive on improving.
• I improve more by aiming for perfection and missing than aiming for mediocrity and hitting it.
• I will find the best ways to do things, regardless of the effect on short-term costs, short-term efficiency or even my job.
• I will never use “It was a good business decision” as rationale for not living up to these values.
• My job is not completed until our customers and consumers are delighted.
• I will be relentless in pursuing our mission, living our values and achieving our vision.
You should never use personal issues when telling people why they are hired or fired, it sould be based on job performance or other job related criteria. Looking at their mission statement I don't see what I did was so egregious that I wouldn't fit in with those statements.
I have to worry about politically correct things all day long and can't imagine having to worry about religiously correct things all day as well.
You're talented enough that the right job will come and hopefully at a company with a better environment.
But I agree with those who say you should at the very least send a letter of complaint.
im calling and end to the recession starting today!
you know how many friggin obama buttons they sols last night? more than the GDP of paraguay!
<< <i>He told me they didn't hire a maintenence mgr one time due to his constant use of a specific anacronym for some process control software that sounded like a dirty word but was the industry standard way of describing it. >>
Yeah, that Control Unit Network Transfer software system is pretty good.
<< <i>Yeah, that Control Unit Network Transfer software system is pretty good. >>
LMAO! Nice one.
Morgoth, I'm sorry for your experience with this company.
I'm also sorry that this guy really seems to reflect what a lot of people say they despise about Christianity. I think it's regrettable that people will say things like "I'm going to pray about it and let God decide." While it's admirable to be prayerful and to approach things from that perspective, my feeling has always been that God doesn't care what kind of toothpaste you buy or if you hire Fred instead of Barney. If the guy doesn't want to hire you because you said "damn" then it's his will at work, but who knows if it was actually God's will too? If you're really a "lost soul," then didn't this guy just lose the perfect opportunity to convert you?
That said, I know that damn is a pretty common word that most of us don't even bat an eye over. But I also know that a few people do find it offensive especially if they come from a religous background since the commandment asks us not to take the Lord's name in vain. Some people extend that (or seem to extend that) to include not saying damn because it's a reduction of asking God to damn something or someone. I'm sure that doesn't make it feel right to you, but I just thought I'd put it out there as a way of trying to explain the seemingly inexplicable.
<< <i>• I will admit mistakes when they occur, learn from them and enable others to do the same. >>
This may be something that could back to haunt them in this case. Try throwing this back at them if/when you decide the job isn't going to happen and you are looking for some $$ for time wasted.
After all, you can't learn from your mistakes if you are not allowed to.
dude file your lawsuit.
Or show with a bible and shove it up this clowns rectum sideways.
they are hiring a scientis, not a Cathecism teacher.
UPDATE: Talked to their HR Manager and it is classic spinning.
Now there were 3 candidates for the position as opposed to the two that I was told and my recruiter were told about.
The third candidate came out of nowhere in the last few days and had 2 Master degrees, more years of experience and more related expereience (I really find it hard to believe they could get a 2X master degree guy with more than 12 yrs experience at the pay they were offering me or that role).
He said the information relayed to me by the recruiter (WHO WORKS FOR WEAVER NOT ME MIND YOU) was completely wrong, however the HR guy admitted that he did not know everything said to my recruiter by the hiring manager so how would he really know. Also to what benefit is it to the recruiter to withhold that knowledge. Especially when I called him today to tell him what I was doing, it was to his benefit to tell me all the reasons for my not getting the job, he didn't he even relayed another similar story to me.
They dismissed everything very offhand while saying they take it very seriously. I had to say 3 times that I was specifically upset with the hiring managers personal attack on me and his use of his christian values to make his decision before he agreed to "talk" with him.
He tried to sooth it by saying how great I was, if I thought he was being straight with me and even wanted to know what my SB plans where. When I tried to let him go he asked if I was ok with the situation, and I told him that I was still considering filing a complaint with the EOEC he said that was too bad as he thought I was a good guy.
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The third candidate came out of nowhere in the last few days and had 2 Master degrees, more years of experience and more related expereience (I really find it hard to believe they could get a 2X master degree guy with more than 12 yrs experience at the pay they were offering me or that role).
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I can't imagine it would be easy for them to produce that guy during discovery for your EEO complaint. A guy that they hired now, with those credentials, along with his application/resume that showed up at the last minute.
Sounds more like the wrong company to work for.
the psychos. (If it has not already screwed you, it will if you keep
talking to them.)
Get somebody to help you put your "experience" in the form of an affidavit.
Take it to a young lawyer and have him draft a demand letter.
When they deny your demands, sue them back to the stoneage.
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The irony of American troops being killed in Afghanistan while our
domestic Taliban has taken over America's popcorn-factories is disgusting.
<< <i>What is "nakspak" anyways? >>
I believe that it is the substitute word for DASM ("S" used to replace a potentially offending letter). I think the advertising slogan is, "Pop Weaver, nakspak good popcorn."
I will be a Sr. Scientist with them heading up their autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and other proteins subdivision. I basically get to start it up from scratch so that should be fun.
The big thing for me (besides the 15% raise) is I get a chance to study and learn to be a flavor chemist. It takes 5 years minimum to become a flavor chemist and only 3 companies in the US offer the apprenticeship.
I also get much more time off as in my current job I work 70 hours a week from July to October with no vacations.
<< <i>I found a new job with Sensient Technologies the third or fourth (depending on how you count) largest flavor and color company in the world.
I will be a Sr. Scientist with them heading up their autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and other proteins subdivision. I basically get to start it up from scratch so that should be fun.
The big thing for me (besides the 15% raise) is I get a chance to study and learn to be a flavor chemist. It takes 5 years minimum to become a flavor chemist and only 3 companies in the US offer the apprenticeship.
I also get much more time off as in my current job I work 70 hours a week from July to October with no vacations. >>
OK Mr. Griswold (movie reference if you didn't know.) That sounds like a really good opportunity for you. Congrats.
By the way, did you ever hear if the guy you interviewed with at the other company got canned?
Vacation is one of my favorite movies due to CC being a Food Scientist, too bad you don't get bonuses (in companies I have worked for at least) for your ideas and intellectual property.
<< <i>I will be a Sr. Scientist with them heading up their autolyzed yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein and other proteins subdivision. >>
What he said.
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
<< <i>A complaint was filed and that is all I ever heard. I was told most likely they will get a warning but EOC will most likely decide not to file suite.
Vacation is one of my favorite movies due to CC being a Food Scientist, too bad you don't get bonuses (in companies I have worked for at least) for your ideas and intellectual property. >>
Most if not all of the jobs I interviewed for (although in a totally unrelated field) has the same intellectual property/patent disclaimer.
<< <i>Jesus, that's great news! >>
Come on Lee. I know this sort of thing is funny to you but it isn't to many of us...well, at least it isn't to me. I empathize with the OP in this situation. Still, I don't think it helps anything to add mocking wisecracks like this. Let's try to keep the discussion respectful. Bobby
Morgoth was denied a job because he harmlessly uttered the word "damn" under his breath. If that doesn't deserve to be mocked than I don't know what does. And if you're offended at my mocking the situation, then in my book you're equally to blame for the overall downward spiral of the world as the guy who denied Morgoth the job. The entire world needs to lighten up and not take things so seriously.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate.
<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control.
"...If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it...."
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The horrible kid from the Karate Kid movie is in famous
company with his alleged hasty generalization.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Mohandas Gandhi
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Most religionists that do not fly stolen airplanes into my buildings,
or blow themsleves up while standing next to me at WalMart are
fairly good to go in my book.
It is rather odd, I suppose, that Chrstians are about the only group
of Americans that other Americans can still freely and openly disparage.
Whackos that run popcorn companies don't help the cause.
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<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control. >>
This is true. I do typically ignore most things. I simply felt the need to say something this time as it struck a nerve with me. Oh well. It is really not a big deal. No harm, no foul.
Seriously though, I am beginning to understand the conspiracy theory out there that you and Lee are one and the same. Maybe I really am just taking it all too serious.
Carry on, boys!
EDIT: That's a great Gandhi quote, Storm. I forgot all about that one.
Maybe I just don't get the whole taking the lord's name in vain philosophy. Who exactly is it hurting? Clearly I'm the one committing the sin, so why should you care? I'm not directly insulting anybody or accusing them of anything. I'm not physically hurting or stealing from anybody. If your belief structure is based on the philosophy that a random person cannot say the word 'Jesus' in a less than serious manner without you getting offended, then I guess I was inadvertently and indirectly mocking you even though that clearly was not my intent. I apologize that you are so easily offended. I guess that's the difference between people like you and people like me- you are free to say anything you want about what I believe in and I really don't care because those are my beliefs and I'm happy with them. I have Christian friends who feel the same way. Everybody has a different set of beliefs and it's stupid to get in a tizzy every time someone says something you don't agree with.
What you're doing right now is no different in my eyes than how Morgoth was treated by his interviewer. Trying to sensor someone's verbage on a message board is just as silly as denying somebody a job because they don't have the same exact set of beliefs you do.
I seriously am glad Morgoth found a better job situation than working for that a$$clown, and I apologize for derailing the thread by trying to interject some humor about the situation which some people might not have found funny.
Lee
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<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control. >>
This is true. I do typically ignore most things. I simply felt the need to say something this time as it struck a nerve with me. Oh well. It is really not a big deal. No harm, no foul.
Seriously though, I am beginning to understand the conspiracy theory out there that you and Lee are one and the same. Maybe I really am just taking it all too serious.
Carry on, boys!
EDIT: That's a great Gandhi quote, Storm. I forgot all about that one. >>
That's fine-- and I, for one, have certainly jumped on issues in situations where I've later regretted my remarks, so I'm the last person who should be judging this. But recognize that there are people out there- myself amongst them-- who don't have one fiber of their being that is even willing to entertain the idea that Jesus was the son of God, or died for out sins, or whatever. Just as you have a right to openly mock issues in which I have a deep emotional investment, I too have every right to mock your religious beliefs. It comes around and it goes around, and on your best days you just shrug off the stuff that makes you roll your eyes. And in the way the board slowly moves forward.
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<< <i>Boy, that is a considerable inferential leap on your part. If anyone needs to lighten up in this situation it may very well be you.
The situation can indeed be mocked. I have no problem with that. The guy was treated inappropriately by the hiring manager. Using Jesus's name to do so is disrespectful in my opinion. I know you find doing so bitingly poignant. I don't and I simply asked you to tone that part down. You are a grown man. You don't have to do anything you don't want to, Lee. If you feel the need to take a witty shot at all Christians based on the actions of one, so be it. I just feel it is unnecessary and inappropriate. >>
This is the Internet-- it's not a sitting parlor. Everyday stuff gets said here (bits about the glory days of the Reagan presidency, or how global warming is some leftist conspiracy) that I find utterly and unflinchingly offensive, but guess what? I just (usually) move on. And that's the way an Internet message board is supposed to work: If I have to listen to the aforementioned nonsense, then others need to grit their teeth and bear it when I (or Lee, or whomever) pop off with a 'Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick' blast, or something else that's similarly irreverent.
We're here to talk cards, or have fun, and to occasionally sound off. Ruffling someone's feathers isn't a big deal, and in fact you could argue that it's almost inevitable. But making a stink out of having your feathers ruffled is the point at which these threads begin to spiral out of control. >>
This is true. I do typically ignore most things. I simply felt the need to say something this time as it struck a nerve with me. Oh well. It is really not a big deal. No harm, no foul.
Seriously though, I am beginning to understand the conspiracy theory out there that you and Lee are one and the same. Maybe I really am just taking it all too serious.
Carry on, boys!
EDIT: That's a great Gandhi quote, Storm. I forgot all about that one. >>
That's fine-- and I, for one, have certainly jumped on issues in situations where I've later regretted my remarks, so I'm the last person who should be judging this. But recognize that there are people out there- myself amongst them-- who don't have one fiber of their being that is even willing to entertain the idea that Jesus was the son of God, or died for out sins, or whatever. Just as you have a right to openly mock issues in which I have a deep emotional investment, I too have every right to mock your religious beliefs. It comes around and it goes around, and on your best days you just shrug off the stuff that makes you roll your eyes. And in the way the board slowly moves forward. >>
I don't entirely agree with your assessment concerning our rights but I do understand you. Let's just let this one die.
Congrats on the new job Morgoth!
And for the record, global warming is a leftist conspiracy
Now I just have 2 awkward weeks at my old job and 25 exit interviews to go.
Congrats on your new position Morgoth!
Also, thank you for posting the trials and tribulations of your job hunt. A very interesting read ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
the popcorn industry is a sinful place!
I also though Lee's comment was funny and glad he posted it, people seriously need to lighten up.