<< <i>And those can be cards valued at 500.00 or less.
It is a no brainer why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me.
Of course people have reasons and that is fine, just don't say we are sheep and fools for doing it.
Steve >>
No one was called a fool by me, Steve. Sheep? Yes, a case for that could be made.
I can submit a card of any value to BGS, and the charge is the same to grade it no matter what it is, and I don't have to pay any membership fees. That makes sense.
To charge more/less for cards of certain values make no sense to me. Why does that matter? A card is a card. Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times. It does not cost a company anymore to grade a $10 than it does to grade a $1000 card.
It does not cost a company anymore to grade a $10 than it does to grade a $1000 card.
It most certainly does cost more. Are you saying Beckett will authenticate and grade a T206 Wagner for the same price it would for say a 1986 Knicely? Or is 1000.00 some cutoff mark? Are you saying it costs more to grade a card valued at 1001.00 but not 1000?
These companies that have buy back guarantees need to charge more for cards that are valued higher.
Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times.
Actually that is exactly what PSA does. Say you have a card valued at 1500.00, you need to send it in under a certain tier that costs 35.00 to grade/authenticate. This card will be graded within 3 days too. So PSA does have 'flat fee's based on turnaround times AND value of the item.
And just to be 100% clear, I do agree that PSA is a very good and reputable company. No doubt about it. I just disagree with what a person has to do in order to get their cards graded by PSA. I'm just trying to explain that I am not the only one turned off by this(people I know outside of this board are too), and it has deflected quite a bit of business away from PSA, and towards other grading companies, due to having to pay membership fees to have their cards graded with PSA. I think this would change, and PSA could gain more business by dropping the requirement of having to be a member to have your cards graded.
<< <i>Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times.
Actually that is exactly what PSA does. Say you have a card valued at 1500.00, you need to send it in under a certain tier that costs 35.00 to grade/authenticate. This card will be graded within 3 days too. So PSA does have 'flat fee's based on turnaround times AND value of the item.
Steve >>
You misunderstood my point. I can send a card to BGS that is a $5000 card, and it cost the same as it does to submit a $10 card.
It does not cost them or me anymore to grade that $10 card than it does to grade a $5000 card.
And does BGS have the same guarantee that say PSA has?
Those that are turned off by having to be a member must not realize that for the membership you get the membership fee back in vouchers good for 6 cards graded.
Ok now I agree with Scwartz we are now beating a dead horse, I get it, you don't like to pay a fee to join.
OK substitute a 52 Mantle or any other hi valued card, was 5k a cutoff or will they grade any card of any value for the same price that they would grade a 5 cent common?
To say it costs the same to grade a 10.00 card the same as a 5k card is somewhat naive at best.
Of course it costs more, the grading company has more to lose if they get it wrong or if the card turns bad while in the slab.
<< <i>And does BGS have the same guarantee that say PSA has?
Those that are turned off by having to be a member must not realize that for the membership you get the membership fee back in vouchers good for 6 cards graded.
Ok now I agree with Scwartz we are now beating a dead horse, I get it, you don't like to pay a fee to join.
What about the above question?
Steve >>
Yep, you are right. Beating a dead horse. I am open to all 3 companies, and some are bias to just mainly one in particular. It's hard to make any headway in a debate when the scales are weighted that way.
I stated my honest opinions, and maybe MR. Orlando will read this and at least think about the voice that was not popular on these boards, but did have some points that might earn PSA some more business.
I went to the Beckett site, it appears you are right I can grade any card. However they too have a price tier so i could grade my 1986 Knicely for 26.00 or my 1965 Mantle.
Beckett Grading and Beckett Vintage Grading Services Service Levels Order Size 1-19 cards 20-99 cards 100+* cards 2 Day $26/card $23/card $21/card 5 Day $21/card $19/card $16/card 10 Day $14/card $12/card $11/card 20 Day $11/card $10/card $9/card 45 Day $9/card $8/card $7/card
<< <i>Still ignoring the actual question, no problem.
I went to the Beckett site, it appears you are right I can grade any card. However they too have a price tier so i could grade my 1986 Knicely for 26.00 or my 1965 Mantle.
Beckett Grading and Beckett Vintage Grading Services Service Levels Order Size 1-19 cards 20-99 cards 100+* cards 2 Day $26/card $23/card $21/card 5 Day $21/card $19/card $16/card 10 Day $14/card $12/card $11/card 20 Day $11/card $10/card $9/card 45 Day $9/card $8/card $7/card
<< <i>Still ignoring the actual question, no problem.
I went to the Beckett site, it appears you are right I can grade any card. However they too have a price tier so i could grade my 1986 Knicely for 26.00 or my 1965 Mantle.
Beckett Grading and Beckett Vintage Grading Services Service Levels Order Size 1-19 cards 20-99 cards 100+* cards 2 Day $26/card $23/card $21/card 5 Day $21/card $19/card $16/card 10 Day $14/card $12/card $11/card 20 Day $11/card $10/card $9/card 45 Day $9/card $8/card $7/card
Steve >>
No, I did not ignore the question. I clearly stated the answer, and you overlooked it, or else did not want to accept what I was saying.
<< <i>And those can be cards valued at 500.00 or less.
It is a no brainer why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me.
Of course people have reasons and that is fine, just don't say we are sheep and fools for doing it.
Steve >>
No one was called a fool by me, Steve. Sheep? Yes, a case for that could be made.
I can submit a card of any value to BGS, and the charge is the same to grade it no matter what it is, and I don't have to pay any membership fees. That makes sense.
To charge more/less for cards of certain values make no sense to me. Why does that matter? A card is a card. Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times. It does not cost a company anymore to grade a $10 than it does to grade a $1000 card. >>
In bold black, Steve.^^
As far as guarantee of a grade, I do know of cards being bought back by BGS when they got it wrong. A specific policy after the changes I am not sure of, since I have not sent anything to them since then.
No Tim you said that before I asked my question and my question was to clarify that statement.
Look at the time line, I asked my question AFTER you made that statement. Only after dizzle answered it did I fully understand, and if you notice I thanked him.
As far as guarantee of a grade, I do know of cards being bought back by BGS when they got it wrong.
lol well then don't you think a person would like to know that? That is the exact reason why PSA charges a tier price for cards, they guarantee the grade!
<< <i>No Tim you said that before I asked my question and my question was to clarify that statement.
Look at the time line, I asked my question AFTER you made that statement. Only after dizzle answered it did I fully understand, and if you notice I thanked him.
Nice try though.
Steve >>
Now hold on here...
There was no nice try of anything, so no need for that garbage. If you can't read what I CLEARLY said, then that is your problem. Not mine. I said it once, clearly, so why do I have to repeat it? I don't feel the need to keep repeating the same thing, just because you don't want to accept it.
If you had read what I truly said, then you could see I made the exact statement that you claim dizzle answered. He just backed up/confirmed my statement.
<< <i>As far as guarantee of a grade, I do know of cards being bought back by BGS when they got it wrong.
lol well then don't you think a person would like to know that? That is the exact reason why PSA charges a tier price for cards, they guarantee the grade!
Steve >>
I doubt BGS changed their practice after January 1, 2008. If you truly want to know, then call them up. Somehow I get the sense that this is just another excuse to be critical of Beckett, no matter what their policy is. That is just how some folks on here operate. I am not bias to any of the "big 3". I like them all for different reasons.
PSA is not the only good/honest third party grading company that will back their grades, as shocking as that may be for some folks.
Tim I think you are confused, you made your statement and then I asked for clarification.
I asked, does that mean even a Honus Wagner T206 could be graded too?
You then said "I can send in a 1000.00 card, so i asked if that was the cutoff, you then said "I can send in a 5000.00 card so I then asked if that was the cutoff. It was then that dizzle chimed in and answered my question.
The one that you kept answering with the above statements.
The botom line is I accepted it as fact AFTER it was confirmed by dizzle.
Have a Happy New Year next time to avoid confusion simply answer what is asked.
A simple Yes or No would have worked, not "I can send in a 1000.00 card when the question was regarding a million dollar one.
I hope this now ends this nonsense, it does for me.
You want to keep thinking I didn't want to accept your original statement go right ahead.
<< <i>Tim I think you are confused, you made your statement and then I asked for clarification.
I asked, does that mean even a Honus Wagner T206 could be graded too?
You then said "I can send in a 1000.00 card, so i asked if that was the cutoff, you then said "I can send in a 5000.00 card so I then asked if that was the cutoff. It was then that dizzle chimed in and answered my question.
The one that you kept answering with the above statements.
The botom line is I accepted it as fact AFTER it was confirmed by dizzle.
Have a Happy New Year next time to avoid confusion simply answer what is asked.
A simple Yes or No would have worked, not "I can send in a 1000.00 card when the question was regarding a million dollar one.
I hope this now ends this nonsense, it does for me.
You want to keep thinking I didn't want to accept your original statement go right ahead.
Steve >>
Steve,
Here is what I said:
<<I can submit a card of any value to BGS, and the charge is the same to grade it no matter what it is, and I don't have to pay any membership fees. That makes sense.>>
Botom line is this is my exact comment from way back in this thread. I do believe that statement is pretty cut and dry, no matter in what order it was said.
I also explained that I was just using the amount of $5,000 as an example(or $1000), and that was NOT a cutoff priceline.
Here was that exact comment from this thread:
<<Go take look at their submission form, if you don't believe it. I just used $5000 as an example. The $5000 figure is not some cutoff priceline.>>
It looks to have just been some little misunderstanding. Either way, no harm, and no hard feelings. I am willing to shake your hand and call it good.
Comments
<< <i>And those can be cards valued at 500.00 or less.
It is a no brainer why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me.
Of course people have reasons and that is fine, just don't say we are sheep and fools
for doing it.
Steve >>
No one was called a fool by me, Steve. Sheep? Yes, a case for that could be made.
I can submit a card of any value to BGS, and the charge is the same to grade it no matter what it is, and I don't have to pay any membership fees. That makes sense.
To charge more/less for cards of certain values make no sense to me. Why does that matter? A card is a card. Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times. It does not cost a company anymore to grade a $10 than it does to grade a $1000 card.
It most certainly does cost more. Are you saying Beckett will authenticate and grade a T206 Wagner for the same price
it would for say a 1986 Knicely? Or is 1000.00 some cutoff mark? Are you saying it costs more to grade a card valued at 1001.00 but not 1000?
These companies that have buy back guarantees need to charge more for cards that are valued higher.
Steve
Actually that is exactly what PSA does. Say you have a card valued at 1500.00, you need to send it in under a certain tier that costs 35.00
to grade/authenticate. This card will be graded within 3 days too. So PSA does have 'flat fee's based on turnaround times AND value of the item.
Steve
<< <i>Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times.
Actually that is exactly what PSA does. Say you have a card valued at 1500.00, you need to send it in under a certain tier that costs 35.00
to grade/authenticate. This card will be graded within 3 days too. So PSA does have 'flat fee's based on turnaround times AND value of the item.
Steve >>
You misunderstood my point. I can send a card to BGS that is a $5000 card, and it cost the same as it does to submit a $10 card.
It does not cost them or me anymore to grade that $10 card than it does to grade a $5000 card.
My question was, will they grade/authenticate the T206 Wagner then for the same price that they would for say a 5 cent common?
Steve
Those that are turned off by having to be a member must not realize that for the membership you get
the membership fee back in vouchers good for 6 cards graded.
Ok now I agree with Scwartz we are now beating a dead horse, I get it, you don't like to pay a fee to
join.
What about the above question?
Steve
<< <i>So 5000.00 is the cutoff then?
My question was, will they grade/authenticate the T206 Wagner then for the same price that they would for say a 5 cent common?
Steve >>
Go take look at their submission form, if you don't believe it. I just used $5000 as an example. The $5000 figure is not some cutoff priceline.
for the same price that they would grade a 5 cent common?
To say it costs the same to grade a 10.00 card the same as a 5k card is somewhat naive at best.
Of course it costs more, the grading company has more to lose if they get it wrong or if the card turns bad while in the slab.
Steve
The simple question was in reply to your statement that it costs the same to grade any card (10.00 or 1000.00) the 5000.00
My question was and is will they grade any card of any value the same??
You were the one that first said 1000.00, then it was 5000.00 now it is it was just an example. (Which it proably was)
If you want people to understand you be more specific then Tim.
Steve
<< <i>So 5000.00 is the cutoff then?
My question was, will they grade/authenticate the T206 Wagner then for the same price that they would for say a 5 cent common?
Steve >>
Steve, You can send in a T206 wagner on their 5.00 special if one wanted. All cards are graded for the same price no matter the value.
<< <i>And does BGS have the same guarantee that say PSA has?
Those that are turned off by having to be a member must not realize that for the membership you get
the membership fee back in vouchers good for 6 cards graded.
Ok now I agree with Scwartz we are now beating a dead horse, I get it, you don't like to pay a fee to
join.
What about the above question?
Steve >>
Yep, you are right. Beating a dead horse. I am open to all 3 companies, and some are bias to just mainly one in particular. It's hard to make any headway in a debate when the scales are weighted that way.
I stated my honest opinions, and maybe MR. Orlando will read this and at least think about the voice that was not popular on these boards, but did have some points that might earn PSA some more business.
<< <i>
<< <i>So 5000.00 is the cutoff then?
My question was, will they grade/authenticate the T206 Wagner then for the same price that they would for say a 5 cent common?
Steve >>
Steve, You can send in a T206 wagner on their 5.00 special if one wanted. All cards are graded for the same price no matter the value. >>
Dizzle, that is what I have been trying to say, but some don't want to accept it I guess.
I went to the Beckett site, it appears you are right I can grade any card. However they too have a price tier so i could grade my 1986 Knicely for 26.00
or my 1965 Mantle.
Beckett Grading and Beckett Vintage Grading Services
Service Levels Order Size
1-19 cards 20-99 cards 100+* cards
2 Day $26/card $23/card $21/card
5 Day $21/card $19/card $16/card
10 Day $14/card $12/card $11/card
20 Day $11/card $10/card $9/card
45 Day $9/card $8/card $7/card
Steve
Steve
<< <i>Still ignoring the actual question, no problem.
I went to the Beckett site, it appears you are right I can grade any card. However they too have a price tier so i could grade my 1986 Knicely for 26.00
or my 1965 Mantle.
Beckett Grading and Beckett Vintage Grading Services
Service Levels Order Size
1-19 cards 20-99 cards 100+* cards
2 Day $26/card $23/card $21/card
5 Day $21/card $19/card $16/card
10 Day $14/card $12/card $11/card
20 Day $11/card $10/card $9/card
45 Day $9/card $8/card $7/card
Steve >>
No you did everything but answer that question.
He answered it and it was accepted.
The second part to that question was do they guarantee the grade like PSA does?
Steve
<< <i>Still ignoring the actual question, no problem.
I went to the Beckett site, it appears you are right I can grade any card. However they too have a price tier so i could grade my 1986 Knicely for 26.00
or my 1965 Mantle.
Beckett Grading and Beckett Vintage Grading Services
Service Levels Order Size
1-19 cards 20-99 cards 100+* cards
2 Day $26/card $23/card $21/card
5 Day $21/card $19/card $16/card
10 Day $14/card $12/card $11/card
20 Day $11/card $10/card $9/card
45 Day $9/card $8/card $7/card
Steve >>
No, I did not ignore the question. I clearly stated the answer, and you overlooked it, or else did not want to accept what I was saying.
<< <i>
<< <i>And those can be cards valued at 500.00 or less.
It is a no brainer why anyone would think otherwise is beyond me.
Of course people have reasons and that is fine, just don't say we are sheep and fools
for doing it.
Steve >>
No one was called a fool by me, Steve. Sheep? Yes, a case for that could be made.
I can submit a card of any value to BGS, and the charge is the same to grade it no matter what it is, and I don't have to pay any membership fees. That makes sense.
To charge more/less for cards of certain values make no sense to me. Why does that matter? A card is a card. Grade it, charge a flat fee based on turnaround times. It does not cost a company anymore to grade a $10 than it does to grade a $1000 card. >>
In bold black, Steve.^^
As far as guarantee of a grade, I do know of cards being bought back by BGS when they got it wrong. A specific policy after the changes I am not sure of, since I have not sent anything to them since then.
Look at the time line, I asked my question AFTER you made that statement. Only after dizzle answered it did I fully understand, and
if you notice I thanked him.
Nice try though.
Steve
lol well then don't you think a person would like to know that? That is the exact reason why PSA
charges a tier price for cards, they guarantee the grade!
Steve
<< <i>No Tim you said that before I asked my question and my question was to clarify that statement.
Look at the time line, I asked my question AFTER you made that statement. Only after dizzle answered it did I fully understand, and
if you notice I thanked him.
Nice try though.
Steve >>
Now hold on here...
There was no nice try of anything, so no need for that garbage. If you can't read what I CLEARLY said, then that is your problem. Not mine. I said it once, clearly, so why do I have to repeat it? I don't feel the need to keep repeating the same thing, just because you don't want to accept it.
If you had read what I truly said, then you could see I made the exact statement that you claim dizzle answered. He just backed up/confirmed my statement.
<< <i>As far as guarantee of a grade, I do know of cards being bought back by BGS when they got it wrong.
lol well then don't you think a person would like to know that? That is the exact reason why PSA
charges a tier price for cards, they guarantee the grade!
Steve >>
I doubt BGS changed their practice after January 1, 2008. If you truly want to know, then call them up. Somehow I get the sense that this is just another excuse to be critical of Beckett, no matter what their policy is. That is just how some folks on here operate. I am not bias to any of the "big 3". I like them all for different reasons.
PSA is not the only good/honest third party grading company that will back their grades, as shocking as that may be for some folks.
I asked, does that mean even a Honus Wagner T206 could be graded too?
You then said "I can send in a 1000.00 card, so i asked if that was the cutoff, you then said "I can send in a 5000.00 card
so I then asked if that was the cutoff. It was then that dizzle chimed in and answered my question.
The one that you kept answering with the above statements.
The botom line is I accepted it as fact AFTER it was confirmed by dizzle.
Have a Happy New Year next time to avoid confusion simply answer what is asked.
A simple Yes or No would have worked, not "I can send in a 1000.00 card when the question was
regarding a million dollar one.
I hope this now ends this nonsense, it does for me.
You want to keep thinking I didn't want to accept your original statement go right ahead.
Steve
<< <i>Tim I think you are confused, you made your statement and then I asked for clarification.
I asked, does that mean even a Honus Wagner T206 could be graded too?
You then said "I can send in a 1000.00 card, so i asked if that was the cutoff, you then said "I can send in a 5000.00 card
so I then asked if that was the cutoff. It was then that dizzle chimed in and answered my question.
The one that you kept answering with the above statements.
The botom line is I accepted it as fact AFTER it was confirmed by dizzle.
Have a Happy New Year next time to avoid confusion simply answer what is asked.
A simple Yes or No would have worked, not "I can send in a 1000.00 card when the question was
regarding a million dollar one.
I hope this now ends this nonsense, it does for me.
You want to keep thinking I didn't want to accept your original statement go right ahead.
Steve >>
Steve,
Here is what I said:
<<I can submit a card of any value to BGS, and the charge is the same to grade it no matter what it is, and I don't have to pay any membership fees. That makes sense.>>
Botom line is this is my exact comment from way back in this thread. I do believe that statement is pretty cut and dry, no matter in what order it was said.
I also explained that I was just using the amount of $5,000 as an example(or $1000), and that was NOT a cutoff priceline.
Here was that exact comment from this thread:
<<Go take look at their submission form, if you don't believe it. I just used $5000 as an example. The $5000 figure is not some cutoff priceline.>>
It looks to have just been some little misunderstanding. Either way, no harm, and no hard feelings. I am willing to shake your hand and call it good.
Have a Happy New Year as well.
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