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uncirc buff grades are in - Bingo!

derrybderryb Posts: 37,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Was hoping to pull at least one 70 on one the four 99 W $10 error coins

001 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
002 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
003 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
004 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
005 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 PF 70 ULTRA CAMEO
006 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$50 MS 70
007 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$50 MS 70
008 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$50 MS 70
009 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$25 MS 70
010 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$25 MS 70
011 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$25 MS 70
012 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 MS 70
013 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 MS 70
014 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 MS 70
015 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$5 MS 70
016 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$5 MS 70
017 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$5 MS 70

Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

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  • ozzyfan269ozzyfan269 Posts: 1,002


    << <i>Was hoping to pull at least one 70 on one the four 99 W $10 error coins

    001 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
    002 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
    003 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
    004 1999 W EAGLE WITH W G$10 MS 69
    005 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 PF 70 ULTRA CAMEO
    006 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$50 MS 70
    007 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$50 MS 70
    008 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$50 MS 70
    009 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$25 MS 70
    010 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$25 MS 70
    011 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$25 MS 70
    012 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 MS 70
    013 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 MS 70
    014 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$10 MS 70
    015 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$5 MS 70
    016 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$5 MS 70
    017 2008 W BUFFALO .9999 FINE G$5 MS 70 >>



    Nice results! How many Buffaloes did you need to sift through to cherry pick that many 70s?
  • CB2597CB2597 Posts: 3,042
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice results! How many Buffaloes did you need to sift through to cherry pick that many 70s? >>



    No cherrypicking on this order, sent all I had, three sets of uncircs. Hope they keep the graders working over the holidays, waiting on results for 3 08W AGE 4-coin sets and 4 prosperity sets.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Must be NGC graded ... 70's are a "dime a dozen with them."
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    Nice results, though 70's are not exactly rare for these.
    What's the premium over 69's??
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Must be NGC graded ... 70's are a "dime a dozen with them." >>


    NGC, yes. Wanted quicker turn around on these and got it - 6 days, plus I live in Florida, shorter mail time. I'll take the dozen plus one 70s. I'm sure they're worth a little more than a dime. These are a flip to fund my early commemorative passion.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • ozzyfan269ozzyfan269 Posts: 1,002
    Hmmmmmmmmmmm. For sure not all of those were really 70s. I have sifted few quite a few of these sets myself and only about 20-25% of the ones I looked at had a chance for a PCGS 70.

    Should I send my 69s to NGC now? Seems they are VERY VERY loose with the 70s!
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,134 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmmmmmmmmm. For sure not all of those were really 70s. I have sifted few quite a few of these sets myself and only about 20-25% of the ones I looked at had a chance for a PCGS 70.

    Should I send my 69s to NGC now? Seems they are VERY VERY loose with the 70s! >>



    Not seems like .. they are very loose with their 70's, that's why NGC 70 graded modern are only bringing in a slight premium over 69 graded PCGS coins.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,339 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wouldn't say NGC is VERY VERY loose with the 70s. Current completed items on ebay show:

    2008 W gold buffalo uncircs:
    PCGS graded - 32 sold, 8 MS69, 24 MS70 (75% graded MS70)
    NGC graded - 53 sold, 19 MS69, 34 MS70 (64% graded MS70)

    Not very scientific, but only available measuring stick until pops are published by both TPGs. Data to date actually shows PCGS "looser" with the 70s on the uncircs.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't say NGC is VERY VERY loose with the 70s. Current completed items on ebay show:

    2008 W gold buffalo uncircs:
    PCGS graded - 32 sold, 8 MS69, 24 MS70 (75% graded MS70)
    NGC graded - 53 sold, 19 MS69, 34 MS70 (64% graded MS70)

    Not very scientific, but only available measuring stick until pops are published by both TPGs. Data to date actually shows PCGS "looser" with the 70s on the uncircs. >>



    Using eBay sales as a measuring stick. image

    What was the average price difference between the PCGS MS70 and the NGC MS70?
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Wouldn't say NGC is VERY VERY loose with the 70s. Current completed items on ebay show:

    2008 W gold buffalo uncircs:
    PCGS graded - 32 sold, 8 MS69, 24 MS70 (75% graded MS70)
    NGC graded - 53 sold, 19 MS69, 34 MS70 (64% graded MS70)

    Not very scientific, but only available measuring stick until pops are published by both TPGs. Data to date actually shows PCGS "looser" with the 70s on the uncircs. >>



    Using eBay sales as a measuring stick. image

    What was the average price difference between the PCGS MS70 and the NGC MS70? >>



    If you haven't learned to use ebay to gauge market sentiment/demand you need to learn to! Like it are not it pretty much determines the value of the coins you hold.

    What matters is what will the price difference be at the time I would have gotten them back from PCGS and gotten them to market. My gamble is that the market will be crowded in 2-3 weeks and prices will come down on both PCGS and NGCs. How many of you still holding on to your silver eagle 3 coin anniversary sets waiting for them to go back up? By going the NGC 70 route I am betting that the profit margin will be greater now than the PCGS 69 margin in 2-3 weeks. The flipping game involves a lot of market timing. As stated earlier, this funds my early comm collection. Any profit is all profit.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭
    Congrats on your results!image
    BST items for sale
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Title should read Got NGC grades. Checking eBay closed auctions prices shows PCGS graded coins blow away the other guys, sometimes 2 to 1. The latest NGC $5 sold for $219 while the latest PCGS $5 sold for $432. I didn't realize how huge the spread is.
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    yeah, I give PCGS a lot of static, but if I'm sending in coins to be certified, they're the outfit getting mine.

    I figure they're a lot like many of us, there's probably plenty most of us could be doing better.
  • Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What matters is what will the price difference be at the time I would have gotten them back from PCGS and gotten them to market. My gamble is that the market will be crowded in 2-3 weeks and prices will come down on both PCGS and NGCs. How many of you still holding on to your silver eagle 3 coin anniversary sets waiting for them to go back up? By going the NGC 70 route I am betting that the profit margin will be greater now than the PCGS 69 margin in 2-3 weeks. The flipping game involves a lot of market timing. As stated earlier, this funds my early comm collection. Any profit is all profit. >>



    But just think if they all came back MS70 form PCGS. By the way, I don't think they will crown, if they actually do, until 2 or 3 weeks after the PCGS coins start really hitting the market. Oh, and you can't compare the Buff's to the silver eagle set. Apples and oranges. Besides, I beleive the silver eagle set "crowned" months after they were issued, not 2 to 3 weeks.

    Sorry, but I wouldn't consider all 70 from NGC as a "bingo." But, good luck flipping. Please post the links so we can all watch.
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    ..........you did well. put up your umbrella.............for those who wish to rain on your parade.image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not to be rude, but why post NGC grades on the PCGS boards? Isn't there a NGC message board?

    Good grades non the less. I got about 50% PCGS 70's on my 2008 buffalo submissions.
  • silvergoldnutsilvergoldnut Posts: 456 ✭✭
    Good luck with the flipping!!!!

    right now i don't think it matters what grade they will be ,if you want to sell you buffalos now is the time.

    this reminds me of the reverse of 07 early this year.

    $999.00 for a 2008 W 1/2 oz.image

    i'm sure glad i got my 1 oz for mint price.image
  • coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    most of `em are really 69`s image ngc is ruining their reputation doing this IMO.
    my ebay items BST transactions/swaps/giveaways with: Tiny, raycyca,mrpaseo, Dollar2007,Whatafind, Boom, packers88, DBSTrader2, 19Lyds, Mar327, pontiacinf, ElmerFusterpuck.
  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭


    What was the average price difference between the PCGS MS70 and the NGC MS70? >>




    Easy answer. The difference is what someone is going to pay.image

    Boy some of sound like PCGS is #1 or something. Have any of you heard of Intrest only financing for 5 years? Geeze hate to see the price of PCGS if something God forbid would happen to that company.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,339 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not to be rude, but why post NGC grades on the PCGS boards? >>


    Jesse, I guess for the same reason you post NGC coins in the PCGS BST forum - cause it's where I hang out!

    I posted the grades for two reasons.
    1. I was very happy with them.
    2. 13 out of 13 PF/MS70 I believe to be above average, even if it is NGC.

    Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong

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