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2008 W Proof Platinum 4 coin sets selling at $2,150? UPDATE: More negs on eBay.

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  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭


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    << <i>Only an idiot like ksteelheader would show up to defend this guy. >>



    Only someone like cornboy would make an ass of himself hurling accusations when all he has is a keyboard mouth and zero proof.image >>




    Oh great, here comes the ball boy, surprised you could get yur hands outta your pocket to type a few lines, although you'd be just the type I'd want on one of my juries... >>



    Sounds like you need to change your name to BOY also!image >>





    And I'm sure as a Boy scout leader, with you it's no doubt about balls.... >>



    Sounds like your balls are all typing and nothing else.image >>



    Well, you'd know being the expert with balls...All you need is 2 more hands and 4 more pockets....image


  • << <i>Coinboy let it go, you already have gotten on my last nerve. There is no doubt in all my years on this board you are one of the most stubborn, childish, pissant little posters we've ever had. LET IT GO!!!!

    You need to see a professional. >>



    Another childish answer by BOY.image


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    << <i>Only an idiot like ksteelheader would show up to defend this guy. >>



    Only someone like cornboy would make an ass of himself hurling accusations when all he has is a keyboard mouth and zero proof.image >>




    Oh great, here comes the ball boy, surprised you could get yur hands outta your pocket to type a few lines, although you'd be just the type I'd want on one of my juries... >>



    Sounds like you need to change your name to BOY also!image >>





    And I'm sure as a Boy scout leader, with you it's no doubt about balls.... >>



    Sounds like your balls are all typing and nothing else.image >>



    Well, you'd know being the expert with balls...All you need is 2 more hands and 4 more pockets....image >>



    I've already got 4 hands.image
  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I got 'childish' down cold. >>



    Or so I thought.

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    COINBOY, I just checked in.

    I know you much better than the others, so I will say it....."STOP with the trashin'!"

    Thanks, this thread is too important to get into peepee contests!!!

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  • Hang in there Keifer!!!!!
    Forgive them for their shallow minds!!


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  • ANOTHER DONKEY


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    child = BOY
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭


    << <i>It is common sport on this board to review sales practices of others especially if something seems odd.
    It is done all the time and as far as I can tell being directly involved in transaction has never been a requirement to voice opinions.

    Now here is an ethical question.....
    Everyone would agree to sell an item with no intention to deliver is a crime.
    What if you sell say 20K of product and discover you have under priced and left 10K on the table?
    You haven't delivered product yet and you don't know buyers personally.
    Can you blame loss of product on USPS and then refund all $$$??
    What would you call that action??

    Loss of an insured item through postal service is an appox. 1 in 5,000-10,000 event.
    I'd judge the likelyhood of a potential 10K loss of profit corrupting someones scruples is far higher than 1 in 5,000. >>




    Bingo!
  • Yup, I am sure a guy doing this will have lots of sociopath helpers unloading the stuff.

    I can name 4-5 right now, that come to mind.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    This forum often challenges sellers who appear unsavory. Because the seller here is known to many, he has been given a lot of slack. The facts so far don't look good. Many of us are standing by watching to see what happens, having trouble resolving the facts, Cam's reputation, and the unfortunate way things are being revealed one step at a time.

    Coinboy has drawn his conclusion based on facts that he has laid out. Those of you, perhaps Cam's friends, who want to hush critics without providing any basis other than you know the seller, have turned this into a whizzing contest. Perhaps that is your intent, to draw attention away from the alleged improper behavoir by the seller who is one of us.

    I suggest you get off your high horse, quit bickering among yourselves, let the facts come out, and reach a logical, unemotional conclusion.

    Ok back to your corners, protect yourself at all times, and I want a clean fight. --Jerry
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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭


    << <i>Popcorn.. Get your popcorn here... image >>




    Dude that not popcorn it's beer


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    Dude that not popcorn it's beer >>




    Well, find me a popcorn emoticon & I'll use it.
  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭


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    Dude that not popcorn it's beer >>


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  • Cool.. but what's the popcorn emoticon called?
  • Whiskey for my men.
    Beer for my "DONKEY'S"

    But give the popcorn to the JACKA$$$$$$'S!!!!!!!
  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Children...children...play nice.

    Since I WAS contacted by Cameron earlier today, let me once again repeat that he's attempting to square away the shipping issues, make good on his sale(s) or refund money.

    He's been consistent on this point and requested a few days to get a handle on this situation, which I've said would be fine. I did not demand to see any documentation to prove his point.

    And that's some first hand information from a party to this situation.

    PS...and if those plat proof sets suddenly/unexpectedly jump in number tomorrow...this may all become a moot point real fast!

  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,966 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How would we know there are so many lost or otherwise missing sets? Seems a little soon if mailed recently. I've had some recent priority insured packages take 9-10 days for delivery even though it says 2-3 day. It is a busy time of year for the usps and some of these sales were too recent to suddenly be deemed lost or stolen... >>



    I've had goods take far longer than normal for delivery as well around the holidays. I always ship w/in 24 hours of payment received, usually less. For all but the least expensive items which I sell, i.e., anything > $50, on the evening of shipment I email the buyer with the USPS tracking number so that he/she can track the item. I think that the buyers really appreciate this and I've had no questions concerning delayed delivery in doing so.

    Happy Holidays all. Ron
    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
  • Cameron, I don’t know you nor have I ever bought anything from you. I did notice you have a beautiful child, and with that you have already been blessed. When I had tough decisions to make or needed help along the tricky path of life, family, God and sometimes just playing with or looking at my children gave me all the strength that was needed. Good luck to you in this time of difficulty.

    Noli nothis permittere te terere.
  • Here's the crux of the issue, as I see it....and a way for Cammie to resolve all doubt.

    There have been times in the past when I've bought "pre-sales" of limited availabity coins on eBay, only to have the buyer refund my money instead of shipping the merchandise after the market took a substantial jump. I had several sets of the 20th aniversary AGE sets "locked in" at sub $3K, only to be refunded because of a supposed cancelation by the mint of the seller's order. To this day, I feel like I had entered into a sucker's bet...If the prices stay the same or go down, the seller will honor the order....if the market rises, the seller will cancell the order claming he/she didn't receive the sets. Heads I lose; Tails I lose.

    The overriding supision of some, including myself, is that the sudden jump in market price coulld have caused a similar situation here...except instead of blaming the mint for not shipping, the blame is being shiffed to the USPS for not delivering. The end result is the same: the buyer is being offer a refund below current market value for the contracted goods.

    The solution for Cam is easy...accept Mitch's offer of acting as a third party verifier of actual proof of shipment. We all know Mitch's word is good....and by doing so, we would know everything is OK with Cam.

    Anything less will NEVER clear his name...including refunds at

    BELOW MARKET PRICES

    FloridaBill

    PS: I'm using a new laptop, and the spell check doesn't seem to be working on replying to messages. If these is a "switch" to turn it on, please PM me. Thanks.
  • Good luck to you in this time of difficulty

    It is self-induced
  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<The overriding supision of some, including myself, is that the sudden jump in market price coulld have caused a similar situation here...except instead of blaming the mint for not shipping, the blame is being shiffed to the USPS for not delivering. The end result is the same: the buyer is being offer a refund below current market value for the contracted goods.>>

    For all the theories floating out there...answer me this...if the seller planned to default on earlier sales, why would he proceed to place additional auctions as late as Friday 12/19 and Saturday 12/20, each with an immediate Buy It Now option for $2,150? Why allow a BIN at all...and cause himself immediate delivery/payment problems...rather than simply letting a normal auction run over the course of a week?

    By letting the auction run, he would have also been able to gage any subsequent price increases/decreases and then chose to end the auction early by claiming to have found a buyer via the non-eBay route (even if not true...who would be the wiser...and hasn't this happened to all of us from time to time...having an auction pulled out from under us midstream?). And there would have been no harm, no foul...and no conspiracy theories running amok on this board.

    This thread all started as a potential hijacking, which freaked me and others out...for very good reason with CC payments already having been made. But that was put to bed very quickly. And now we have a lost shipment/insurance nightmare...which is always a possibility when dealing with expensive goods. And we also have a known dealer with a good rep who has already started to make refunds and has pledged to salvage this situation as soon as possible.

    Does that about cover it...or did I miss the butler in the library with a candlestick?
  • eBay is offering substantial discounts to powersellers for using BIN.

    IMO, they are screwing the goose that laid the golden egg, but that is a different issue.

    I have sold many items over the past few months using BIN, but the reason was I wanted the buyer to able to get the MSN rebate.

    eBay rebates a FAR larger percentage of the Final Value Fee if shipping is free.

    However, this seller obviously was not this savy on eBay ways....the $8 he charged for shipping would have been more that recouped thru eBay rebates had he offered free shipping....

    OR....

    FloridaBill



  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I posted earlier in this thread, fully in support of Cameron, based upon a number of smooth deals we did a few years back. On top of that, I failed to see what possible motive he would have to do anything other than follow through on the deals on ebay, even if it meant losing about 7%or 8% on the sets - more on that in a bit. This was hardly the case of customers bank wiring funds to the Cayman Islands for these sets - heck, as far as I know, customers would have a "no brainer" right to a complete charge back against the seller when they did not receive their coins about two weeks after the ebay offerings - right? So, there was really no motive for deception here.

    And, let's discuss this $2,150 price level....

    When those offerings started, anyone could purchase fresh sets for $2,180 from the US Mint. What if these ebay sets were screened non-70's? Rather than return them to the Mint, I could have easily seen someone deciding to take a 7 1/2% loss for the ability to get the immediate cash to reorder fresh sets. Let's say more than 50% of these fresh coins graded "70" at NGC (purely a guess for this hypothetical). That would mean that if you bought (50) sets and got (25) sets of 70's and (25) reject sets, you could sell the (25) 70 sets for about $3,000 (roughly an $800 profit) and sell the reject (25) sets at less than a $200 loss to regain the funds to order even more sets. The net result of this plan would be a huge (fast) profit - about $15,000! I am not suggesting this was Cameron's strategy, BUT, you can see that selling the sets at $2,150 on ebay would have been a fine strategy - so long as the US Mint was still selling the sets.

    As I mentioned on another thread, I ended up returning around (50) sets per the US Mint's request. The Mint tied up my credit cards for roughly a month - in fact, as I recall, even longer. Having this $100,000+ freeze up my credit lines on the cards created chaos for me during the 4-6 week period. Not to mention having to simultaneously reorder the (50) sets to replace the (50) returned sets. The US Mint took authorizations on those as well - freezing another $100,000+ in available credit without shipping a coin for weeks. What if someone else did not have the ability to place $200,000 on credit cards? The next best strategy might have been take a small loss selling sets in order to refuel with new fresh sets to yield more 70 coins - right? Again, not to suggest that's what Cameron was doing here, but to demonstrate the benefit of losing 7 1/2% to possibly make a whole lot more in a short period of time.

    In short, I have no idea what was behind Cameron's decision to do what he did. I still hope nothing nefarious was involved - I have mentioned above why that would make little sense here. I am still happy to assist if Cameron would like me to.

    Wondercoin
    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • Florida Bill's point about REFUNDS at BELOW MARKET ISSUE instead of delivery appears to be the financial motive for breaking the contract of sale (if Cam was dishonest). This can be refuted with accountability (tracking numbers). If Cam was not aware that he was under pricing his goods until after the sales he could "reneg" by lying and stating that the sets were lost. If he's really innocent and he wants to fix his reputation then he need to prove that the goods were actually lost. Otherwise?
    "There's no free lunch" MF
  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    Give Cam a break, hopefully you'll never have to deal with an issue like this.
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭


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    I've had goods take far longer than normal for delivery as well around the holidays. I always ship w/in 24 hours of payment received, usually less. For all but the least expensive items which I sell, i.e., anything > $50, on the evening of shipment I email the buyer with the USPS tracking number so that he/she can track the item. I think that the buyers really appreciate this and I've had no questions concerning delayed delivery in doing so.

    Happy Holidays all. Ron >>




    That was my point, seems a little too sure too soon that they are lost or stolen, given they closed on different days...I ship within 1/2 hour, insured and provide tracking info to buyers. This, if ever an issue developed where I'd shipped multiple sets, presumably on different days, by providing the tracking numbers or in this case Delivery confirmation numbers, one could simply provide the numbers, which by themselves reveal just numbers, but would also show they'd been shipped, but not delivered. On occassion with lower end items, although insured, the mail guy can forget to scan the labels, which happens all the time. For example, this recent shipment was not acknowledged by my buyer for 10 days, priority insured with DC, tracking # 03070020000397152485. Pulling that up suggests it was not delivered yet, although my buyer said he got it. Lastly, as we know signature confirmation is required for items over 250 and I can't think of any reason not to require it on 2K plus items...
  • Tracking #'simage

    A few weeks ago I sent a package to a board member in Washington state .
    For 3 days all that the tracking indicated was that it was recieved at MY post office.
    On day 4--the member PM'd that he had recieved the package.
    It was 3 MORE days before tracking showed it was delivered in Wash.

    Just a DONKEY's view on tracking #'s

    HEE HAWW--HEE HAWW

    CAM--imageimage


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  • << <i>Tracking #'simage

    A few weeks ago I sent a package to a board member in Washington state .
    For 3 days all that the tracking indicated was that it was recieved at MY post office.
    On day 4--the member PM'd that he had recieved the package.
    It was 3 MORE days before tracking showed it was delivered in Wash.

    Just a DONKEY's view on tracking #'s

    HEE HAWW--HEE HAWW

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    Yes but it did show that it was mailed.
    I had suggested that this thread could be ended in an instant by providing some proof items were mailed (i.e. postmarked INS slips for $2000) but as yet none are forthcoming.....................................
  • 2many,

    It only showed it was recieved at my post office.
    Showed nothing else for 6 days.
    Then showed delivered on day 7.
    Not 1 entry between recieving and delivery.


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  • LALASD4LALASD4 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭
    Mail is very slow now, how could one know that anything is lost in the mail unless it had been at least 2-4 weeks after mailing, right?image
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    What a jackass. cornBOY


  • << <i>There are no discounts on Collector stuff, as far as I know. I saw those too! >>



    Yes there are. Yet another thing you are wrong about.


  • << <i>Mail is very slow now, how could one know that anything is lost in the mail unless it had been at least 2-4 weeks after mailing, right? [/]


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  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    Great 20 finger's freddy and his bag of balls....image


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  • Merry Christmas!
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  • drfishdrfish Posts: 948 ✭✭✭✭
    Quick fellas-round up the posse-another ebay varmint just should a 08 APE set for only $2305!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260337149340


  • << <i>Quick fellas-round up the posse-another ebay varmint just should a 08 APE set for only $2305!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260337149340 >>




    At least it was a regular auction... not a buy it now! Not the best time to end an auction either!!


  • << <i>Quick fellas-round up the posse-another ebay varmint just should a 08 APE set for only $2305!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260337149340 >>



    Here's the LINK. Inactive account, but even more interesting than that, his only recent feedback is THIS "purchase," which looks like a mini-Ponzi scheme. Both accounts are listed at Thomasville, Georgia and they mutually exchanged feedback within an hour on that item. How very nice.

    This whole business smells worse than my dog, and she really needs a bath.

    edited to add: the only safe place to buy stuff like this is from the US Mint, not FleaBay, unless the account is very active, of longstanding, and with very high feedback.
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  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    More lam excuses that the Post Office stole the sets, this is getting old and the facts speak for them self.
    USAF vet 1951-59
  • Funny how it seems that only the 2008 W Proof Platinum 4 coin sets disappeared in the mail...
  • Funny how it seems that only the 2008 W Proof Platinum 4 coin sets disappeared in the mail...

    Though I do agree with the statement, there's nothing funny in watching this persons reputation slowly go down the toilet. The longer he dogs the most simple way to prove himself, the easier it is to believe the worst. The 'mail's slow this time of year', etc....any blame on the USPS and Priority service, is out the window by now, and all his other 'nickel/dime' items have made it. The items he's been purchasing cost more than the items, other than the plat sets, he's been selling. I can't wait to see how this concludes. A seriously solid young talent's reputation is dangling by a thread.

    If it were me (and most likely the majority of you), I would have already posted images of the shipping/insurance tags, or even the register receipt (as they do show services to each zip-code, including the zip) publicly...at the very least have taken Mitch up on his offer. However, where he is a popular, well-liked, respected member here, he should WANT to do it publicly, here, with appropriate things blacked out, etc....SOMETHING, ANYTHING, to prove his story. His sterling reputation was hard-earned, and to let it slip away like this, it baffles me. He went from up and coming YN, to forum darling, to being a PROFESSIONAL GRADER...he was well respected enough to be hired by some of the most well respected people in this hobby. To go from that to where he's at now, it's something he could have avoided way back on Dec 21st. Every day that goes by, the noose just gets a bit tighter.
    I'll come up with something, eventually.
  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    For anyone that wants to look, Cameron was the hi bidder on a 2008 W Platinum Proof set at $5,499 yesterday for a set he had been selling on eBay for $2,150! Let him explain that one, the answer is obvious to me.
    USAF vet 1951-59
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