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Guess the grade - 1830 Half - Grade REVEALED p.2

CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I recently sent Mark Goodman some of my favorite toned coins to be photographed,
and will be presenting them in a series of "Guess the Grade" threads. All comments
welcome.

Grade is revealed on page 2.

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    BlackborderBlackborder Posts: 2,797 ✭
    63
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin
    AU55
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    58, but I have some reservations about it possibly being 55.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I actually think this coin should be the textbook example of an AU58.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terrific image for a wonderful coin. Nice appeal and there seems to be cabinet friction on the high points. I would give it an MS grade, but something tells me it is a 58 which seems unfair

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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU58...
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    ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    MS60
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely not unc. Those hits on the face and neck are circulation marks. Also a couple of scratches on obv. It's a 55 to 58 to me.

    JMHO......I love the coin!
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    drddmdrddm Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice 1830!!!

    I am going with 58 because I believe I see some wear (albeit slight) on the cap, cheek and bust.

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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    65 with a sticker. image Why are people saying 58? I think even 291fifth would give it a 35. image
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    That is a very nice looking Bustie. I would guess it is a PCGS 55.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some people are saying 58 because of the friction on the high points. These are graded too strictly and folks here have different experiences with these

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    QuarternutQuarternut Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭


    << <i>65 with a sticker. image Why are people saying 58? I think even 291fifth would give it a 35. image >>



    Remind me to sell all of my AU coins to Longacre when it is time to sell!!! imageimage

    QN

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    QuarternutQuarternut Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭
    For those who think this coin is uncirculated, please see the photo below. You can see the actual wear and broken luster in the areas that I have circled, as well as several other spots.

    image

    The reverse however, shows no wear that I can see, although I am sure the luster is broken on the high points if seen in hand.

    My guess would be PCGS AU-58 all day long...

    Looks like an O-107A R-2. Nice coin!! image

    QN

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS-62 in the holder. Yes, there are some rub spots and some of the spots you think are rub spots are merely not fully struck. At any rate this coin would not last long in an AU holder. It would be cracked and re-submitted.

    You might compare it with this one, which is in a PCGS MS-63 holder. The color in the photo is a bit off. The coin is more of blue tone than brown.

    imageimage
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For those who think this coin is uncirculated, please see the photo below. You can see the actual wear and broken luster in the areas that I have circled, as well as several other spots.

    image >>



    Exactly as I see it. I do believe that this wear would warrant a 55 though as I have said earlier.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    PaleElfPaleElf Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    I agree with 55... nice coin.
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,360 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU55?
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say even a strict grader would give that 1830 half dollar an AU-58. Look at the fields! And some of the flat spots you don't like are in the deepest part of dies (highest part of the coin) that were never struck up from day one.
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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For those who think this coin is uncirculated, please see the photo below. You can see the actual wear and broken luster in the areas that I have circled, as well as several other spots.

    image

    The reverse however, shows no wear that I can see, although I am sure the luster is broken on the high points if seen in hand.

    My guess would be PCGS AU-58 all day long...

    Looks like an O-107A R-2. Nice coin!! image

    QN >>



    I have to agree with QN. image

    Very nice coin CJ! image

    Ray
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    BlackborderBlackborder Posts: 2,797 ✭


    << <i> Yes, there are some rub spots and some of the spots you think are rub spots are merely not fully struck. At any rate this coin would not last long in an AU holder. It would be cracked and re-submitted. >>




    Exactly.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This one really is a very tough call... btw, its Sunday morning...

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    WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My guess isPCGS called it a MS64.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This one really is a very tough call... btw, its Sunday morning... >>



    True, but he still has until 11:59am (depending on his time zone).

    But this one will be interesting to find out the grade.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    nicetoning42107nicetoning42107 Posts: 1,162
    I might say AU55 as far as physical wear goes, but since the toning is so nice I'm going to say they 58ed it.
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. ~Vladimir Lenin
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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actual grade: PCGS AU58

    Thanks to all who posted. This did turn into an interesting discussion. BTW, Quarternut
    was correct about the variety (Overton 107a) and it is attributed as such on the slab.

    I purchased the coin at Long Beach recently from Jerry Type Coin Company. I also bought
    a DBQ with it, and he gave me a nice price on this piece. To be honest, I selected the
    coin because of its look, and not really with any thought of trying to upgrade it. Also, it
    never occurred to me that it might be overgraded and I do not believe that it is.
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    SomeGuyFromMichiganSomeGuyFromMichigan Posts: 377 ✭✭✭
    Re;"...Quarterguy, was correct about the variety (Overton 107a) and it is attributed as such on the slab."

    Not quite, it is an Intermediate Die State of O-107 and not the "a" state.

    It is lacking the heavy die crack from below star 11 to star 1 and the die chipping
    of the drapery to the left of the star.

    The confusion may be the fact of the multiple die clash below the shoulder.
    Check the "a" state in Overton 4th ed. page 550, it easily shows this.
    If it's not there, it isn't an "a" model.

    Nice Bustie, CoinJunkie!
    Mike

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