Just announced: Pujols NL MVP
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Where does he stand in among all-time greats?
Career stats
Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2001 STL 161 590 112 194 47 4 37 130 69 93 1 3 .329 .403 .610 1.013
2002 STL 157 590 118 185 40 2 34 127 72 69 2 4 .314 .394 .561 .955
2003 STL 157 591 137 212 51 1 43 124 79 65 5 1 .359 .439 .667 1.106
2004 STL 154 592 133 196 51 2 46 123 84 52 5 5 .331 .415 .657 1.072
2005 STL 161 591 129 195 38 2 41 117 97 65 16 2 .330 .430 .609 1.039
2006 STL 143 535 119 177 33 1 49 137 92 50 7 2 .331 .431 .671 1.102
2007 STL 158 565 99 185 38 1 32 103 99 58 2 6 .327 .429 .568 .997
2008 STL 148 524 100 187 44 0 37 116 104 54 7 3 .357 .462 .653 1.114
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Career stats
Year Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2001 STL 161 590 112 194 47 4 37 130 69 93 1 3 .329 .403 .610 1.013
2002 STL 157 590 118 185 40 2 34 127 72 69 2 4 .314 .394 .561 .955
2003 STL 157 591 137 212 51 1 43 124 79 65 5 1 .359 .439 .667 1.106
2004 STL 154 592 133 196 51 2 46 123 84 52 5 5 .331 .415 .657 1.072
2005 STL 161 591 129 195 38 2 41 117 97 65 16 2 .330 .430 .609 1.039
2006 STL 143 535 119 177 33 1 49 137 92 50 7 2 .331 .431 .671 1.102
2007 STL 158 565 99 185 38 1 32 103 99 58 2 6 .327 .429 .568 .997
2008 STL 148 524 100 187 44 0 37 116 104 54 7 3 .357 .462 .653 1.114
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<< <i>Where does he stand in among all-time greats? >>
He'll be in the HoF with them eventually.
He's had an amazing career so far. In 8 years, he's never hit fewer than 32 hrs or drove in fewer than 103 rbi, and never batted under .314.
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but the man-love he receives around here prevents me from truly appreciating his stats.
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Edited to add: Don't get me wrong, I feel he deserves to be the NL MVP this season. However, he spoke so strongly 2 years ago, that I wonder if he'll accept the award or return it because he didn't carry his team to the playoffs.
<< <i>Is he the only person to ever start his first eight seasons by going .300+ 30HR+ 100RBI+? >>
Yes, he is the only one in the history of MLB.
Congratulations to Albert Pujols!
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but the man-love he receives around here prevents me from truly appreciating his stats.
True.
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Congrats to Albert.
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<< <i>So I am just wondering, if Pujols retires today, would he make it to the Hall bases on 8 years of work? >>
Nope. A player needs to play for 10 years before he gets considered for the Hall of Fame.
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<< <i>I'm not a Pujols hatter but I still think he is 36 or 37 years old. >>
Keep dreaming..
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<< <i>So I am just wondering, if Pujols retires today, would he make it to the Hall bases on 8 years of work? >>
Nope. A player needs to play for 10 years before he gets considered for the Hall of Fame. >>
Yeah, you are correct. 2 more years of decent numbers, and I say he is pretty much a lock for the HOF, with a World Series title, 2 MVP's, a batting title, and the .334 career average.
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Ryan Howard eats Albert Pujols and takes his MVP award.
GET IN MY BELLY!!
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<< <i>Pujols could probably get in now if he were to retire for medical reasons, similar to the Kirby Puckett rule. >>
Puckett had a 12 year career though.
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<< <i>From a Cub fan congrats to Albert and redemption for all the years Bonds stole the award from him. >>
Very well said sir.
Congrats to Ryan Howard on having a monster season, and winning the world series.....
the same thing happened to Pujols in 2006, he hit 49 HR had 137 RBI, AND batted .331 , his team MADE the playoffs (won the WS), and he came in 2nd in MVP vote....
i think they got it right this year......
cant wait to see Pujols with a healthy elbow......
Here's to 2009, Cheers!
<< <i>Is he the only person to ever start his first eight seasons by going .300+ 30HR+ 100RBI+? >>
I think he is the only player to ever start his first TWO seasons by going .300+, 30 HR+, and 100 RBI's +
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mike greenwell & jeff kent were robbed sir.
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<< <i>robbed you say?
mike greenwell & jeff kent were robbed sir.
j >>
if greenwell was robbed by Canseco, then Pujols was robbed THREE times by Baroid Bondz....
<< <i>Just to throw this out there...Thomas was robbed by Giambi...Congrats to Pujols. >>
good point G......
and the Yanks were robbed by Giambi BIGTIME....
we should get a list of MVP winners who are KNOWN steroid users and make up a contingent MVP list....kind of like an alternate history....
30 more RBI's
and a ring...
still got robbed....a few more first place votes to at least make it close...
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<< <i>11 more homers...
30 more RBI's
and a ring...
still got robbed....a few more first place votes to at least make it close... >>
Howard was not robbed. Far from it. He was not as deserving as Pujols. Clearly.. If Howard had won, I believe he would have had the lowest batting average of any MVP, ever. That .339 on base % of Howard's looks pretty rough as well.
Pujols had a batting average that was 106 points higher, his slugging % was 110 points higher, his on base was 123 points higher, Pujols had more extra base hits than Howard, and struck out 145 fewer times than Howard.
P.S. Pujols got a ring in 2006, but I sure didn't hear you Philly fans saying Pujols was the most deserving MVP back then.
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<< <i>P.S. Pujols got a ring in 2006, but I sure didn't hear you Philly fans saying Pujols was the most deserving MVP back then.
Yep...it was Pujols, himself, saying it back then. See my sig.
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<< <i>P.S. Pujols got a ring in 2006, but I sure didn't hear you Philly fans saying Pujols was the most deserving MVP back then.
Yep...it was Pujols, himself, saying it back then. See my sig. >>
His words were twisted around, and he even spoke about it today in his conference call.
EDITED: By putting that in your sig, you know it can/will cause friction, but I think that's what you are looking for.
Here is the article, just so you can read it for yourself.
Pujols on 2006 MVP
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<< <i>for the second year in a row Howard picks his team up and puts them on his back and catapults them into the post-season....If that is not the definition of an MVP I don't think I know what is.... >>
Pujols has done that for many years, and some cheater named Bonds won the MVP on several occasions. Pujols kept the Cards in the playoff hunt this year until about the last 2 weeks, when the pitching and position players all started dropping off like flies due to injuries. They had to start guys like little Aaron Miles as the outfielders due to injuries. The lineup got pretty pathetic the last couple of weeks. Without Pujols, St Louis would have been a last place team this year, but with him carrying the team, they finished 10 games over .500.
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<< <i>P.S. Pujols got a ring in 2006, but I sure didn't hear you Philly fans saying Pujols was the most deserving MVP back then.
Yep...it was Pujols, himself, saying it back then. See my sig. >>
His words were twisted around, and he even spoke about it today in his conference call.
EDITED: By putting that in your sig, you know it can/will cause friction, but I think that's what you are looking for.
Hey, welcome back Stantheman. I thought you had said you were leaving.
The article you linked to (at least the way I read it) just says that he's angry that his words, spoken in the Dominican, came out in the media here and that he apologizes for disrespecting Ryan Howard. I'm sure he didn't mean any ill will toward Ryan Howard, personally, but I really believe he thought (thinks) that the MVP should come from a playoff team. (unless of course his team doesn't make it to the playoffs)
As I said earlier in the thread, I think he deserved the award this year and I congratulate him for getting it. I'm just curious if he has changed his feelings about the MVP worthiness of a non-playoff player or if he'll be giving the award back.
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<< <i>P.S. Pujols got a ring in 2006, but I sure didn't hear you Philly fans saying Pujols was the most deserving MVP back then.
Yep...it was Pujols, himself, saying it back then. See my sig. >>
His words were twisted around, and he even spoke about it today in his conference call.
EDITED: By putting that in your sig, you know it can/will cause friction, but I think that's what you are looking for.
Hey, welcome back Stantheman. I thought you had said you were leaving.
The article you linked to (at least the way I read it) just says that he's angry that his words, spoken in the Dominican, came out in the media here and that he apologizes for disrespecting Ryan Howard. I'm sure he didn't mean any ill will toward Ryan Howard, personally, but I really believe he thought (thinks) that the MVP should come from a playoff team. (unless of course his team doesn't make it to the playoffs)
As I said earlier in the thread, I think he deserved the award this year and I congratulate him for getting it. I'm just curious if he has changed his feelings about the MVP worthiness of a non-playoff player or if he'll be giving the award back. >>
I have been on here every once in a while. I just don't live on here like some do. On occasion, I'll come to this board, but it's not part of my everday life.
Here are the just of Pujols' words, since you want to seem to keep twisting things to meet your agenda:
<<Pujols said his statement was misunderstood, and that he meant players on postseason teams should get additional consideration. "Howard had the numbers," Pujols said Monday. "Writers made the right choice in 2006.">>
I know it's just something you get your kicks at doing, by making comments about Pujols, in hopes of getting a rise out of certain people. You have gouged at fandango many times, but I see what your purpose is. Some people need games like this to make them feel good, entertained, or to keep their vendettas alive and well. This stuff will never change on message boards.
Either way, Pujols won his second MVP award, and I feel he should have had at least 2 additional MVP awards by now(2003 & 2006). He might very well win another before his career is over. We'll see.
Whatever the case, he wasn't; Howard was.
As for Pujols, I'm happy for him that he won the MVP this year, and I hope it was a good life lesson about the things you say and how they can haunt you. What was said in 2006 was said. He can't change that, he can only apologize for it. It appears he has.
That won't, however, make me take it out of my signature. For me, it's a reminder that every word said can be thrown back in your face....so watch your words closely. You can take it for whatever you want it to be.
<< <i>I have no agenda here, regardless of your beliefs. You, on the other hand, should try to not speak out of both sides of your mouth. You defend Pujols for retracting the statements in my signature, yet you still say he deserved the MVP in 2006.
Whatever the case, he wasn't; Howard was.
As for Pujols, I'm happy for him that he won the MVP this year, and I hope it was a good life lesson about the things you say and how they can haunt you. What was said in 2006 was said. He can't change that, he can only apologize for it. It appears he has.
That won't, however, make me take it out of my signature. For me, it's a reminder that every word said can be thrown back in your face....so watch your words closely. You can take it for whatever you want it to be. >>
Speaking out both sides of my mouth? How's that? I am defending against your attempt to twist someone's words, which you are doing. Albert has his opinion that Ryan Howard deserved the 2006 MVP, but I don't agree with him. I said I felt Pujols deserved the MVP in 2006. That's MY opinion. I am entitled to such.
By having that in your sig, it shows you just like to stir the pot on a daily basis. If you're not a stirring things up, you get bored with yourself. I have seen guys like you in every aspect of life.