<< <i>Great post, the coins are amazing ! My kids loved the 100,000 bill. I have a question, I am going to DC this summer, what, if anything, can I expect to see at the SMITHSONIAN in the way of coins. >>
Not much of anything... without an invitation
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<< <i>Great post, the coins are amazing ! My kids loved the 100,000 bill. I have a question, I am going to DC this summer, what, if anything, can I expect to see at the SMITHSONIAN in the way of coins. >>
How the hell did Rutgers kill Pitt? :} JB Pitt '76 >>
I can tell you how they lost, I bet on the game
we got to watch them in the TD days, a lot of good memories!! Bridge Pitt 77
I had heard that NGC will relase some photos that were taken of a select few soon. The coins were slabbed by NGC, and I understand they got to take some nice photos too. hopefully they will be posted soon.
The 1792 copper disme. It was like a warm milk chocolate brown and had to have been at least an MS64....with the skinny turkey on the reverse....just amazing!
<< <i>I just remembered another amazingly cool coin.
The 1792 copper disme. It was like a warm milk chocolate brown and had to have been at least an MS64....with the skinny turkey on the reverse....just amazing! >>
That's the famous "Jive Turkey" you hear so much about.......
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Awesome post! This is the type of stuff that this board is all about.
Thanks for taking the time to share this once in a lifetime experience. It was especially interesting to hear a first hand account of your impressions as well as those impressions of the other "participants"...thoughts from some guys who have seen a few coins in their day. Of course we are all quite jealous but your detailed report was a great recap and the next best thing to being there.
<< <i>I just remembered another amazingly cool coin.
The 1792 copper disme. It was like a warm milk chocolate brown and had to have been at least an MS64....with the skinny turkey on the reverse....just amazing! >>
So this is were you came up with your next thread. Don't forget, when RYK buys the 'chocolate turkey', you get first dibs on his throwaway.
Always took candy from strangers Didn't wanna get me no trade Never want to be like papa Working for the boss every night and day --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
Thanks for sharing this. Wow, just amazing coins. I saw the 1849 DE proof the other day on TV and it looked to be cameo. When you took your picture it shows not even a hint of cameo. Also on TV there was a pretty big scratch on the obverse... how did it look in person?
While I was reading this thread I kept thinking to myself... man this guy has some major connections! Cuz this aint the kinda show someone pays for, this is a special invite kinda thing.... which it appears is the truth.
Again, awesome stuff and I would be very humbled if you were to answer my meager questions... hope they weren't repeats.
Nice post and pictures. I saw these coins about 2 years ago at the Smithsonian castle when the display was up. I used to live in the DC area so I saw the display a few times. The thick $20 gold with the gold $10 diameter is a neat coin. Looks like they took the coins down and placed them in storage.
thank you for that really neat story I had my face on my screen the entire time trying to touch or smell the awesome treasures hoping they would magically come through the computer.
Good to see those treasures again. When I went there a few years ago, the Lilly collection and the 1849 pattern $20 were on public display, but they would have pulled them for me had I asked.
Glad also to see that they are more protected in those NGC holders that allow them to be taken out, if needed.
Neat to see all the patterns, especially the double-thick $20's that have the diameters of a $10.
The 1849 double eagle is a spectacular rarity but I would be surprised if it graded higher than proof 63. There are several serious field contact marks between star 1 and Liberty's chin that IMO would limit the grade if it was any other proof gold piece. I am delighted to see that these ultra rarities are now housed in protective slabs to help prevent any future handling damage. I assume the coins are not sonically sealed in the slabs and can be easily removed for future study and research?
Most of the "trinkets" MrEureka mentions from the ANS collection are described (and decoded) in Renaissance of American Coinage 1905-1908. For example, there are multiple pairs of copper electrotypes made from the first extremely high relief (EHR) coins after, 1 strike, 2 strikes, 3 strikes and 7 strikes - essentially a progress set. The electrotypes were requested by Saint-Gaudens, but Barber said they were inferior and he convinced mint director Roberts to send both electrotypes and the gold originals to Saint-Gaudens for examination. The sculptor returned the pieces in about a week. (The ANS did not know what these were until the present writer’s research and persistent inquiries got the staff to do some digging of their own.)
The standing eagle $20 reverse is possibly one of the original reductions made in Paris by Janvier et Duvall. Three were made of differing reliefs. One went to the Philadelphia Mint, two were kept by Saint Gaudens, but only one is in the collection at Aspet.
The last is just a lead trial piece on the Indian/Liberty obverse. This was later modified fro use on the $10 coin, after originally being intended for the cent.
"I have no idea what that line on the 1849 is. It's not on the coin....coulda been areflection, who knows. The coin is spectacular...I am trying to guess but I think it was around a PR66...?"
-- OR --
"The 1849 double eagle is a spectacular rarity but I would be surprised if it graded higher than proof 63. There are several serious field contact marks between star 1 and Liberty's chin that IMO would limit the grade if it was any other proof gold piece."
<< <i>Thanks for sharing this. Wow, just amazing coins. I saw the 1849 DE proof the other day on TV and it looked to be cameo. When you took your picture it shows not even a hint of cameo. Also on TV there was a pretty big scratch on the obverse... how did it look in person?
While I was reading this thread I kept thinking to myself... man this guy has some major connections! Cuz this aint the kinda show someone pays for, this is a special invite kinda thing.... which it appears is the truth.
Again, awesome stuff and I would be very humbled if you were to answer my meager questions... hope they weren't repeats. >>
That is a large contact mark on the 1849 $20, which qualifies it for Mad Marty's "World's Worst" collection.........
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
What a wonderful opportunity to see some great stuff. Excellent report.
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I don't know... Seeing someone actually holding "the" 1849 $20 Lib makes my mind swim! I think the iPhone images sort of adds to it. Then again... I'm a total History Channel junkie and science nerd... ;-)
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<< <i>Great post, the coins are amazing ! My kids loved the 100,000 bill. I have a question, I am going to DC this summer, what, if anything, can I expect to see at the SMITHSONIAN in the way of coins. >>
Not much of anything... without an invitation
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<< <i>Great post, the coins are amazing ! My kids loved the 100,000 bill. I have a question, I am going to DC this summer, what, if anything, can I expect to see at the SMITHSONIAN in the way of coins. >>
How the hell did Rutgers kill Pitt? :}
JB Pitt '76 >>
I can tell you how they lost, I bet on the game
we got to watch them in the TD days, a lot of good memories!! Bridge Pitt 77
I had heard that NGC will relase some photos that were taken of a select few soon. The coins were slabbed by NGC, and I understand they got to take some nice photos too. hopefully they will be posted soon.
great report, thanks for sharing!
The moral of this story is :
"When in roam, do as the roamin'..."
take pics with your cell phone and capture the evidence for your brother
connect the dots
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R.
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The 1792 copper disme. It was like a warm milk chocolate brown and had to have been at least an MS64....with the skinny turkey on the reverse....just amazing!
<< <i>I just remembered another amazingly cool coin.
The 1792 copper disme. It was like a warm milk chocolate brown and had to have been at least an MS64....with the skinny turkey on the reverse....just amazing! >>
That's the famous "Jive Turkey" you hear so much about.......
<< <i>Oh...if ever the greatest coin quote of all time was appropriate it would have been there.
"Coins are the metallic footsteps of the history of nations."
--William H. Woodin, Secretary Of the Treasury 1933 and Rennaisance Man! >>
SG, thanks for the virtual tour. That was awesome.
Awesome post! This is the type of stuff that this board is all about.
Thanks for taking the time to share this once in a lifetime experience. It was especially interesting to hear a first hand account of your impressions as well as those impressions of the other "participants"...thoughts from some guys who have seen a few coins in their day. Of course we are all quite jealous but your detailed report was a great recap and the next best thing to being there.
Jim
<< <i>What a fantastic experience. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
Jay >>
What a fantastic coin in your avatar!!!
SWEEEEEEEEET!
BTW - Would they allow you to take a better camera?
<< <i>Gulp!
BTW - Would they allow you to take a better camera? >>
No. We were told not to bring a photo equipment but a phonecam was OK. At least it was an iPhone which I believe is one of the best of it's type.
<< <i>I just remembered another amazingly cool coin.
The 1792 copper disme. It was like a warm milk chocolate brown and had to have been at least an MS64....with the skinny turkey on the reverse....just amazing! >>
So this is were you came up with your next thread. Don't forget, when RYK buys the 'chocolate turkey', you get first dibs on his throwaway
EWWWWWWW!!!!
Hope all is well with you and yours jay.
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
While I was reading this thread I kept thinking to myself... man this guy has some major connections! Cuz this aint the kinda show someone pays for, this is a special invite kinda thing.... which it appears is the truth.
Again, awesome stuff and I would be very humbled if you were to answer my meager questions... hope they weren't repeats.
Now......on to the ANS!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>Thank you for the wonder post, JAY.
Now......on to the ANS!!!!!!!!!! >>
You look so much like Julian, ya know?
Does this qualify for POTY or what?
FrederickCoinClub
The ANS 1921 Saint is worth the trip, even if you don't get to see one other coin. (It would slab at least MS67.)
But here are a few more of their trinkets:
Obverse and reverse electrotype shells of the 1907 Ultra High Relief $20
This is noted to have been made in Paris in 1905. I don't know the rest of the story.
This is struck in lead, and is unique.
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The coin is spectacular...I am trying to guess but I think it was around a PR66...?
Glad also to see that they are more protected in those NGC holders that allow them to be taken out, if needed.
Neat to see all the patterns, especially the double-thick $20's that have the diameters of a $10.
Wish I could go back again, soon.
Thanks for sharing Jay.
Superb post, Jay.
Thank you for sharing.
Mike
<< <i> Now......on to the ANS!!!!!!!!!!
The ANS 1921 Saint is worth the trip, even if you don't get to see one other coin. (It would slab at least MS67.)
>>
This it?
ANS 1921
Ed. S.
(EJS)
The standing eagle $20 reverse is possibly one of the original reductions made in Paris by Janvier et Duvall. Three were made of differing reliefs. One went to the Philadelphia Mint, two were kept by Saint Gaudens, but only one is in the collection at Aspet.
The last is just a lead trial piece on the Indian/Liberty obverse. This was later modified fro use on the $10 coin, after originally being intended for the cent.
-- OR --
"The 1849 double eagle is a spectacular rarity but I would be surprised if it graded higher than proof 63. There are several serious field contact marks between star 1 and Liberty's chin that IMO would limit the grade if it was any other proof gold piece."
<< <i>Thanks for sharing this. Wow, just amazing coins. I saw the 1849 DE proof the other day on TV and it looked to be cameo. When you took your picture it shows not even a hint of cameo. Also on TV there was a pretty big scratch on the obverse... how did it look in person?
While I was reading this thread I kept thinking to myself... man this guy has some major connections! Cuz this aint the kinda show someone pays for, this is a special invite kinda thing.... which it appears is the truth.
Again, awesome stuff and I would be very humbled if you were to answer my meager questions... hope they weren't repeats. >>
That is a large contact mark on the 1849 $20, which qualifies it for Mad Marty's "World's Worst" collection.........
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>bump - thanks, rgCoinGuy!
Just amazing! Thanks for bringing this back.
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