no way you can argue there's any difference there. >>
Who said anything about payroll? YOU surely DID NOT. (Until now) Market means population, and like I said it was shown earlier that it is not a SMALL MARKET.
Now if you want to say that Tampa Bay has a smaller payroll that is another fact all together.
And fwiw I noticed that you did not mention the Sillies Payroll of around 100 million , wonder why?
Steve >>
since when does population indicate a good market? indian and china must be EXCELLENT areas to sell into. but you're arguing semantics.
as far as the phillies payroll, I was working teams off the top. phils are top 10-12 payrolls? If I wanted to list teams who have a roster getting paid more than the Rays, I could list almost every major league team except the Royals and Marlins.
Mets fans don't like it that they are a "small market" team, in the biggest city in the country. New York is a Yankees town, always has been, always will be, and the Mets are a second fiddle there. Yes, the Mets have some very loyal, dedicated fans, but so did the Brooklyn Dodgers.
I must say that young Goot does indeed hold his own on these boards.
Goot, you chose to debate with a true moron, and that is the hardest thing in the world to do, because they simply don't understand anything...and all points are completely lost on them. It isn't even worth replying to this particular one.
I must agree with your assessment on when this clown did become a Phillies fan...and he has the nerve to accuse somebody else of jumping a bandwagon...even though there wasn't even a Rays bandwagon until the past couple of months(and you clearly were on whatever wagon the unsuccessful franchise had well before this winning wagon arrived). So the bandwagon claim made by the moron is just dumb.
The bandwagon claim AGAINST the moron for joining the Phillies after 1980 has merit!
I'll be the last one to defend Stalin, who I don't like very much, but in all fairness to him and other baseball fans who live in areas which don't have a major league team close by, they often will sometimes root for various teams outside their geographical area. For example the Tampa Bay Rays only started their franchise around ten years ago, so if you lived in the Tampa Bay area before the Rays came about, and you rooted for the Phillies beforehand, it didn't mean that you "automatically" became a Rays fan, especially when with a new franchise, if it doesn't perform well, it could easily move to another city anyway.
Frankly, the only thing that bugs me a little bit, are sports fans say who lived in Philly their whole lives, yet for whatever convoluted reasons are fans of the stinkin' Dallas Cowboys - that I'll never quite get?
<< <i>If you wanted to claim that Tampa had a lower payroll then just about every team you should have simply just said that.
Instead you chose to claim that they are in a small market WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
Steve >>
florida is NOT a lucrative market for making big bucks. bad economy, tons of ancient residents of fixed incomes, they're NOT free spenders. take the same number of people in an urban area in the midwest and the same amount of people would not make as good a market as say, northjersey, which isn't really a city in and of itself.
<< <i>If you wanted to claim that Tampa had a lower payroll then just about every team you should have simply just said that.
Instead you chose to claim that they are in a small market WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
Steve >>
florida is *NOT a lucrative market for making big bucks. bad economy, tons of ancient residents of fixed incomes, they're NOT free spenders. take the same number of people in an urban area in the midwest and the same amount of people would not make as good a market as say, northjersey, which isn't really a city in and of itself. >>
*RELATIVE (to the Northeast, especially), NOT a lucrative market.
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<< <i>ep, Florida definitely had the same market potential as teams in the northeast.
25 man roster for the rays: 43 million.
Mets 137 million.
Cubs 118 million.
Red Sox: 133
Yanks: 209.
no way you can argue there's any difference there. >>
Who said anything about payroll? YOU surely DID NOT. (Until now) Market means population, and like I said
it was shown earlier that it is not a SMALL MARKET.
Now if you want to say that Tampa Bay has a smaller payroll that is another fact all together.
And fwiw I noticed that you did not mention the Sillies Payroll of around 100 million , wonder why?
Steve >>
since when does population indicate a good market?
indian and china must be EXCELLENT areas to sell into. but you're arguing semantics.
as far as the phillies payroll, I was working teams off the top. phils are top 10-12 payrolls? If I wanted to list teams who have a roster getting paid more than the Rays, I could list almost every major league team except the Royals and Marlins.
Goot, you chose to debate with a true moron, and that is the hardest thing in the world to do, because they simply don't understand anything...and all points are completely lost on them. It isn't even worth replying to this particular one.
I must agree with your assessment on when this clown did become a Phillies fan...and he has the nerve to accuse somebody else of jumping a bandwagon...even though there wasn't even a Rays bandwagon until the past couple of months(and you clearly were on whatever wagon the unsuccessful franchise had well before this winning wagon arrived). So the bandwagon claim made by the moron is just dumb.
The bandwagon claim AGAINST the moron for joining the Phillies after 1980 has merit!
Frankly, the only thing that bugs me a little bit, are sports fans say who lived in Philly their whole lives, yet for whatever convoluted reasons are fans of the stinkin' Dallas Cowboys - that I'll never quite get?
If you wanted to claim that Tampa had a lower payroll then just about every team you should have simply just said that.
Instead you chose to claim that they are in a small market WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
Steve
<< <i>If you wanted to claim that Tampa had a lower payroll then just about every team you should have simply just said that.
Instead you chose to claim that they are in a small market WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
Steve >>
florida is NOT a lucrative market for making big bucks. bad economy, tons of ancient residents of fixed incomes, they're NOT free spenders.
take the same number of people in an urban area in the midwest and the same amount of people would not make as good a market as say, northjersey, which isn't really a city in and of itself.
<< <i>
<< <i>If you wanted to claim that Tampa had a lower payroll then just about every team you should have simply just said that.
Instead you chose to claim that they are in a small market WHICH THEY ARE NOT.
Steve >>
florida is *NOT a lucrative market for making big bucks. bad economy, tons of ancient residents of fixed incomes, they're NOT free spenders.
take the same number of people in an urban area in the midwest and the same amount of people would not make as good a market as say, northjersey, which isn't really a city in and of itself. >>
*RELATIVE (to the Northeast, especially), NOT a lucrative market.
twisting has been from you.
Keep twisting.
Hoopster is right.
Steve
Steve
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