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*Update* CSA slabs exposed, T206 graders advice based on limited scan....

akuracy503akuracy503 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
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Guess the grade...guess if it's altered/trimmed, sorry no scans of back, please no hijacking thread with other comments unrelated to the questions at hand, thank you
For those who are able to compare measurements of cards based on scan please do provide your feedback:

**Update** Slab exposed with recent sale prices

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Unsold - $250 starting price

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Sold for $502

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Sold for $230.27

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I bought this lottery ticket for $54.02 out of curiosity.

If anyone of these crossover remotely close to CSA given grade then i'd call it a winning hand.

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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Guess the grade...guess if it's altered/trimmed, sorry no scans of back, please no hijacking thread with other comments unrelated to the questions at hand, thank you
    For those who are able to compare measurements of cards based on scan please do provide your feedback:

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    Both appear short, especially, the Marquad. The Lajoie seems short, but not as much as ole Rube...

    It's tough to tell about the sides with the shadowing, but my guess is that they'll both come back as EOT.
  • akuracy503akuracy503 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
    Note the diamond cut, slant cut top & bottom (fairly common in T206) on the Rube.

    Still trimmed? short....

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  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    Very, very hard to tell from those small scans, but I'd be braced for the worst if I were submitting them. Diamond cuts are indeed pretty common, but the angle on the bottom of that Marquard just doesn't look right. The slope seems to change over time, so to speak; the Lajoie just looks kinda small.
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  • akuracy503akuracy503 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
    Yawie,

    Thank you for providing your two cents on the T206 subject, your knowlege for these cards and presence on the boards is valued.

    I've done a lot of research on these darn things and it seems the T206 cards have all variables such as diamond cuts, inconsistencies with overall card sizes, short cut, long cut.

    What makes these so interesting is all the portrait styles and brands stamped on backs, no other card set offers such complex and unique features.

    I must say in my short time looking at hundreds of T206's, not one card looks like another (even same portrait/player cards) they all seem to be one of a kind.

    Good stuff.

    I'll post a better/fuller picture of the original posted cards later on...

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    The bottom of the Lajoe cards look a little wavey??
  • srs1asrs1a Posts: 398 ✭
    akuracy, think you are right that T206's can be all over the place...but, there are also plenty of stories which have made me very suspicious of short and skinny cards in high grade holders. Personally, I only pursue cards with full borders -- I'm sure that I pass on many cards that are fine, but so be it. I'd agree with yawie that the Marquad looks short and the Lajoie looks small all the way around.

    I also think it is impossible to guess on a grade without seeing the back. A tiny spot of paper loss on the back of a beautiful card can land it in a 2 holder.

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  • akuracy503akuracy503 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
    SRS1A - Thanks for sharing your '2', that sure looks like a 5 at least.

    I've posted an update to the original post with pictures of their original slab and grade and recent sale price.

    I got excited when I saw these in CSA slabs and saw it as a gambling opportunity.

    needless to say the Nap took the cake, no one bit on the Rube, Frank looked like it had a good Chance, tried bidding but got far beyond what I would pay.
    I took the Hallman just out of curiosity, will be cracked and submitted to PSA.

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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i want a rube marquard !!!!!!!!!!!image
  • srs1asrs1a Posts: 398 ✭
    akuracy, if you score on the Hallman, you will have done real well. It looks like bidders were very suspicious...a Chance in a PSA/SGC-4 would have gotten very similar dollars. Good luck!
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hope you don't consider this hijacking the thread...but here we go again...focusing in the wrong direction...analyzing the quantitative factors of a situation like this when really, only the qualitative factors are necessary to come to an almost definite correct conclusion.....and that is if a card worth any decent money is in a CSA slab, then it almost if not virtually always has a problem, and that problem is that it almost certainly got "shot down" by PSA or SGC for having a problem in which the card could not be slabbed in which the problem is usually trimming. Kapish?

    If it's sold by a dealer, frankly the chances of it being trimmed approach 100%. If it's a newbie seller who just picked a grading company by random, and had it slabbed, basically only then is there a chance of it being an unaltered card. However, in this day and age of the internet and communication, I'm not sure newbies like this hardly exist anymore. If a newbie is wise enough to get it slabbed, then they're gonna be wise enough with a little research to know to use PSA or SGC for maximum value when slabbing and selling their cards. Case closed.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hope you don't consider this hijacking the thread...but here we go again...focusing in the wrong direction...analyzing the quantitative factors of a situation like this when really, only the qualitative factors are necessary to come to an almost definite correct conclusion.....and that is if a card worth any decent money is in a CSA slab, then it almost if not virtually always has a problem, and that problem is that it almost certainly got "shot down" by PSA or SGC for having a problem in which the card could not be slabbed in which the problem is usually trimming. Kapish?

    If it's sold by a dealer, frankly the chances of it being trimmed approach 100%. If it's a newbie seller who just picked a grading company by random, and had it slabbed, basically only then is there a chance of it being an unaltered card. However, in this day and age of the internet and communication, I'm not sure newbies like this hardly exist anymore. If a newbie is wise enough to get it slabbed, then they're gonna be wise enough with a little research to know to use PSA or SGC for maximum value when slabbing and selling their cards. Case closed. >>



    And be careful because there are plenty of weasel, scamming card dealers out there who "pretend" to be newbies on ebay, knowing that they'll lure in a certain amount of suckers who believe they're gonna take advantage of some "babe in the woods" seller, when in fact it's the buyer who is truly the babe in the woods.
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358


    << <i>And be careful because there are plenty of weasel, scamming card dealers out there who "pretend" to be newbies on ebay, knowing that they'll lure in a certain amount of suckers who believe they're gonna take advantage of some "babe in the woods" seller, when in fact it's the buyer who is truly the babe in the woods. >>



    This means much of the blame falls on the buyer. In a PSA Authentic holder I would pay a little over $100 for the Lajoie. So long as I was certain it wasn't counterfiet, I would pay that for it in a CSA 8 holder. If someone is going to pay $500 for a baseball card they should be doing a little research too
    Tom
  • TomGshotputTomGshotput Posts: 1,358


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    << <i>And be careful because there are plenty of weasel, scamming card dealers out there who "pretend" to be newbies on ebay, knowing that they'll lure in a certain amount of suckers who believe they're gonna take advantage of some "babe in the woods" seller, when in fact it's the buyer who is truly the babe in the woods. >>



    This means much of the blame falls on the buyer. In a PSA Authentic holder I might pay $100 for the Lajoie. So long as I was certain it wasn't counterfiet, I would pay that for it in a CSA 8 holder. If someone is going to pay $500 for a baseball card they should be doing a little research too >>

    Tom
  • akuracy503akuracy503 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭
    I totally agree with what you're saying SteveK...I myself am a gambling man, in this case for under $100 I had to take a shot out of curiosity...from what I understand these red/white older flips from CSA had some legitimacy to them.

    To me it's the same type of gamble when I purchase a box of cards these days for $100+, usually get nothing but junk.

    I'll report back in a month or two when I get PSA results on the Hallman.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I totally agree with what you're saying SteveK...I myself am a gambling man, in this case for under $100 I had to take a shot out of curiosity...from what I understand these red/white older flips from CSA had some legitimacy to them.

    To me it's the same type of gamble when I purchase a box of cards these days for $100+, usually get nothing but junk.

    I'll report back in a month or two when I get PSA results on the Hallman. >>




    "from what I understand these red/white older flips from CSA"

    Well then that's good information if it's accurate - Puts the odds a bit better, or possibly even a lot better on your side - I hope it works out well for you.

    I admit...I spend $100 - $200 a year on new stuff at Target hoping to catch a winner - I never pull nothing but drek, but I figure it's better than blowing money at some stinkin' casino. LOL
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