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people having less money = reason for recent pm decline ?

A fellow employee at work seems to be pretty well rounded in his knowledge base so I decided to give the current financial situation a test run with him. He agreed that yes the markets still had a ways to go down and would probably be a couple years before their will be a comeback, if at all. When I mentioned precious metals to him he mentioned something along the lines of other countries and the gold standard. That was gold though and silver has alot more of my attention so I didnt really pay much attention to his gold rant. With silver he agrees that it will be much higher in the near future, but for the recent huge decline he thinks that it is mostly because people in the dying economy have less money to spend on the metal. I thought that ya maybe that could be part of the equation, maybe 25%, but couldnt help to disagree with him that its the biggest reason for the 50% decline.

Do you guys think that people not having that much money to spend on silver, and reducing demand, was the biggest reason for the recent decline, or just a small percentage of it, or not even enough that it was negligible? It would make sense that if it was a major factor then it could be a big hinderence on the price moving forward.

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  • If people had less money to spend on PMs there would be an over supply issue.

    You can't find silver anywhere near melt at this time.. It's out there somewhere. Just not where
    I am looking.

    Unless of course you want to buy 100 and 1000 ounce bars at once. But for the common small
    investor like myself. You can expect to pay 2 to 4 dollars over spot.

    If it were the case your co-worker suggested. I should be able to buy all I wanted for close to spot.

    I would not put much stock in your co-workers knowledge. See what the real world has to offer.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    to deny the slowing economy has not had a huge impact is folly
    in my mind. Computer makers, car manufacturers, house builders,
    etc.. the list is endless are slow/slowing down in a big way. Even china
    is cooling off.

    This will mean those companies will buy less and less of copper,
    silver, gold, and plat.

    I think that has a lot to do with it.

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    Speculators ran up PMs and many decided to get out. With bank
    failure after bank failure gold has had a hard time staying above
    that magical 1000 number. I find that amazing. It will be very interesting
    over the next week what gold does as this is a "this is it!" moment.
    If people see gold start its creep down again many will give up hope
    for the short term gold can be a way to make good money. So much
    emotions are involved in this and not fundamentals like when gold
    was 500-600.

    I still think, short term, as in years, the best days are behind it. 400
    to 800 was the smart play. 800 to 1200 is wishful thinking short term.

    I can be wrong and have been before! This is my gut feeling.

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    lets see what others add. i may edit this post as i think of more reasons.
  • konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭
    what about these new SEC rules coming out 9/18 that are suppose to regulate short selling? I know Ted Butler has talked alot about naked short selling in the past.
  • I think your "friend" was out of his league.

    I wouldn't call him slow, but maybe half-fast. image

    BTW, there is no gold standard, not since August 15, 1971.

    Nixon killed Bretton-Woods on that day.

    We are all Keynesians now.

    The "market", if he meant the DOW does have a nasty loud drop coming. Down to 9000 first, bring in some new money as it levels out there and then on down even further. 6000 wouldn't surprise me in time.

    2009 is going to be one for the record books, as if this isn't already.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are trillions of dollars sloshing around out there looking for a safe haven and J6P's budget is a small blip in comparison. Those with the TRILLIONs will dictate what assets move up and which ones move down. Expect some of those TRILLIONs to find their way to gold as they did today. The recent PM decline was PPT induced just as the rebound is now that the PPT took their eye off the ball.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold


  • << <i>If you have 3.50 hours, the best education you could do is this:

    No Country I know of operates on a Gold Standard Today. Gold Standard Bad , Gold/Silver Standard GOOD! >>





    Good for newbies. I'd recommend it.

    However, most of us who have been around here for a while know all of this and much more.

    Just don't take everything at face value, few productions are ever done without at least some slight slant to them.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭
    oh I know the US isnt on the gold standard anymore. He mentioned something about some countries/country still are and more probably will be in the future. I dunno not much detail to talk about.
  • mhammermanmhammerman Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭
    "The recent PM decline was PPT induced just as the rebound is now that the PPT took their eye off the ball."

    Out of bullets, methinks.


  • << <i>"The recent PM decline was PPT induced just as the rebound is now that the PPT took their eye off the ball."

    Out of bullets, methinks. >>



    Not out yet, but they are running low on ammo.

    We will still see some downward pushes that defy reason, but not as many and not as strong.

    In time they will give up the battle rather than admit they couldn't win it.

    That's when they finally do run out of bullets.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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