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Here is one way! With all things being equal, in a side by side comparison

BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
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Looking at BOTH these pictures, BOTH taken by ME with the same camera, same settings, lighting etc -
would you think that this NGC 66 1962-D is just as nice as my pedigreed PCGS 66 1962-D
and should it therefore, based on what you see here, be a shoe-in to cross at the same exact grade?

Regardless your stance, state your reasons why you think it will or will not cross at the same grade!

BTW, I DO NOT have pix of the reverses on file, however - they're equally matched there as well.

Thanks for your time and opinions!

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PCGS66 - NGC66
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  • newbiecollectornewbiecollector Posts: 2,992
    From the photos I think the NGC coin looks best. Just my observation from the pics of course.

    Edit to add: The hair back from the temple and over the ear seems to be a better strike. Also it seems to me that the bottom of the portrait is a much cleaner strike. Dought if my comments are much help but that is what caught my eye.
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  • CB2597CB2597 Posts: 3,042


    << <i>From the photos I think the NGC coin looks best >>


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  • joeyukjoeyuk Posts: 3,282
    I like the NGC coin as well.

    I once purchased a '83-D Washy in PCGS MS66 to help me sort thru a nice roll.
    Of 9 I felt sure were nicer then the slabbed one 2 went 66 and 7 went 65 image
  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With these pics, I'd choose the NGC coin. It seems to have a better strike and I don't care for those two pits in the right field of the PCGS coin.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the limited information in the obverse images, I would pick the PCGS-graded coin. There are two reasons for this. The first is the two apparent partial prints on either side of Washington's portrait that are on the NGC-graded coin while the second is the amount of small chatter on the top of Washington's skull also on the NGC-graded coin.
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,550 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Based on the limited information in the obverse images, I would pick the PCGS-graded coin. There are two reasons for this. The first is the two apparent partial prints on either side of Washington's portrait that are on the NGC-graded coin while the second is the amount of small chatter on the top of Washington's skull also on the NGC-graded coin. >>


    I thought that might be a print in the right field on the NGC coin...hadn't noticed the left. I'd still go with the NGC because I think the pits are more distracting. However, two questions:
    1) What would PCGS graders think about the prints? They obviously didn't seem bothered by the pits.
    2) Will the prints have some negative effect on the coin in the slab after some time passes?
  • BlackborderBlackborder Posts: 2,797 ✭
    PCGS coin seems to have more marks.
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    get up there!

    Eye test - right here!

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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    BTW, it should also be mentioned that the coins were not photographed together - at the same time!

    The "prints" you refer to are NOT on the coin (either coin) they are on the outside of the plastic!

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see about the same amount of contact marks on both coins. So no way will it cross.
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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The fields look less 'disturbed' to me on the PCGS coin.
    I agree the strike seems sharper on the NGC piece judging from the images.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think NGC would knock off a grade on the PCGS coin.... Cheers, RickO
  • mojomanmojoman Posts: 2,665
    imageis it me or is the NGC a tad bit better? I see a tick on the PCGS and nothing on the NGC so yes "it should" crossover but............ depending on the kind of day they are having ,weather etc lol
    both look great but my vote is for the NGC (JMO) and opnions are like armpits everyone has one image
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  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    Side by side ... just trust your eyes.

    I perhaps should have wiped the slabs clean with a sof cotton T-shirt to remove prints etc.

    Garber was obviously owner of a one time Top 5 "All Time Greatest set" - first name, Brad.

    Also, from past experience, PCGS coins beginning with the # 9 are CROSSOVERS!

    The # 7 refers to a Bulk submission - the #5 refers to a "Walk thru" at a coin show, etc, etc

    I'll look through my retired set to be sure about the #9 and will edit if I find this is in error.

    You can look certain places, right now, at some PCGS 66 that ought NOT BE!

    By all means, do continue.

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The pics show me a nicer example in the NGC slab.
    The right field on the PCGS coin is the first thing that catches my eye.
    I also believe that NGC would downgrade the PCGS coin a point on crossover, but I also think that PCGS would downgrade the NGC coin a point but I can't give you a reason why.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Garber was obviously owner of a one time Top 5 "All Time Greatest set" >>



    thanks fo the info.

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks to be equal from where I'm standing!
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    this thread is useless without reverse images i say
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    Sheesh!

    Teddy, I swear! Some people - never satisfied!image

    Now I suppose I'll just have to hunt through
    the files to see if I can find their behinds!image

    Trust me - they look the same!

    Ya seen One .... you've seen 'em all. image
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    something about behinds i always be looking to be looking at mores ok boomimage
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    I like the back sides too!image

    I'll have to look later!

    Got a few things to do first!image
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    It looks like the NGC coin is from a slightly more worn die so the letters are not as crisp where they meet the fields. (might be wrong but from the pics it looks that way)

    I'd grade them the same but I'd take the PCGS coin and that eliminates any hastle trying to cross it over. image
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  • SUMORADASUMORADA Posts: 4,797 ✭

    I'm challenged to say the least when it comes to grading.....but I still have an opinion, to me the NGC coin wins hands down, below I marked what I think are contact marks on the coins, also I think the PCGS coin had a little "dip pity do"before incarceration.?..is that the same as slabbed?

    As far as the die state the pcgs looks better around the bow and LIBERTY, while the ngc appears stronger in the center hair area.(worn die)

    Note..I've been wrong a million times, one more either way won't make a difference.

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  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    PCGS coin is superior. The NGC has a fingerprint trace, an overall gray look, and the motto is noticeably weaker than the PCGS coin. The PCGS coin has better frost over the devices. The overall look of the PCGS coin is better.

    CG
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    it's like a bikini contest front view onlyimage

    no vote or grade till they turn around
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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