Has anyone noticed how boring it is at the "other" forum?
renman95
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I guess this split up made me realize that I'm a modern PM junkie.
I do like it better when there is a "W" involved.
I confess:
I like APE, AGE, AGB, ASE and some of the new moderns coming out soon like the NASA project and the super-duper-ultra-high-relief Saint.
And it's good to find a new home.
Now if we could just get back the OF.
Ren
I do like it better when there is a "W" involved.
I confess:
I like APE, AGE, AGB, ASE and some of the new moderns coming out soon like the NASA project and the super-duper-ultra-high-relief Saint.
And it's good to find a new home.
Now if we could just get back the OF.
Ren
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You can only talk VAMs so much ;>
Gotta love it!
"I guess this split up made me realize that I'm a modern PM junkie."
That and I buy a lot of pre-'65 US silver and pre-'33 US gold that fits the PM category. It is more bullion than anything else I guess.
I also collect Lincoln cents from the 1st era of '09 to '33 but I better NOT mention that here!
Now don't misunderstand my metaphor, but the other-forum-guys were so sick and whinny about PM threads and when this forum was created they were happy to separate us. I think they feel their collecting interests are more sophisticated than the PM contributors interests.
At any rate, it's one "change" I can tolerate.
Now the question is: will we be reprimanded if we speak too much of classic esoteric coinage?
Ren
they will be happy for the day.
ah yes, dealers and half truths... and the collectors that eat it up.
normal operating procedure. par for the course.
<< <i>well now that adrian has come back and told his tall tales (lies)
they will be happy for the day.
ah yes, dealers and half truths... and the collectors that eat it up.
normal operating procedure. par for the course. >>
What tall tales?
<< <i>I wonder if we could mix some politics in with the PM threads...I'm sure the Fed has something to do with it...
in some ways we are discussing economics ....and politics go hand in hand...it's the vote for xxxx or xxx has better ideas than xxxx or worse libel is banned.....i think.....
xxxx
Yesterday, I opened a $250 face bag of silver dimes and separated out the Mercs and a few other items of interest, including some toners and oddball stuff. I put away the Roosies, but I'm sittin' here looking at stacks of Mercs, sorted by date & mintmark and I simply must say.........
There's not much that can beat a bunch of out silver coins all laid out, even if they are just bullion. It's almost as good as looking at Plats.
Mercs have so much class. It's a shame that we can't have circulating silver coins with designs like that.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>I never understood what the problem was when alot of us get excited over big goings-on in the precious metals market. At least, it's real news and has real impact on our individual lives.
Yesterday, I opened a $250 face bag of silver dimes and separated out the Mercs and a few other items of interest, including some toners and oddball stuff. I put away the Roosies, but I'm sittin' here looking at stacks of Mercs, sorted by date & mintmark and I simply must say.........
There's not much that can beat a bunch of out silver coins all laid out, even if they are just bullion. It's almost as good as looking at Plats.
Mercs have so much class. It's a shame that we can't have circulating silver coins with designs like that. >>
Since we are regurgitating classic designs in a flat format, why not put "Mercury" back into the fray. What a wonderful design. I just fear some will freak out because of the fasces on the reverse, but then again isn't that where we are headed? Oooops, there I did it.
Ren
I thought it would be nice having a seperate BST for silver and gold bullion only. I have missed a couple
of nice deals because they were buried in threads dealing with coins I could not afford. Or had no interest in.
But she did end it with a " you never know".
<< <i>.....Now on either side I can be thinking one topic and not get sidetracked when I see something else pop up. >>
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I agree.
<< <i> I also dislike the way a few cliques have developed. >>
and what makes you think they can't forum hop like I do?
So do we have to post some pic of gold bars, silver nuggets, catalytic converters here in PM land?
Just wanted to know.
Ren
that will attempt to tell others what to think and how to think.
They will attempt to determine how a Forum should run and will
become self appointed judgmental critiques of everything. Personally
I ignore them and munch my jelly donuts.
Camelot
<< <i>Every Forum ,will eventually develop a group of people
that will attempt to tell others what to think and how to think.
They will attempt to determine how a Forum should run and will
become self appointed judgmental critiques of everything. Personally
I ignore them and munch my jelly donuts.
How true, Bear...
...and by the way...
...Make sure you only eat the jelly donuts...
...that are so stuffed with jelly...
...that the jelly gushes out the other end when you take a bite...
...any other type of jelly donut would not be fit and proper...
...it would probably bodybag and would certainly not qualify for a sticker...
...and anyway...why are we talking about jelly donuts on a PM forum???
Totally OT, dude...
John
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<< <i>I really dislike the two forums as opposed to one..... neither is exciting anymore. variety is what made it work.
John >>
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<< <i>I really dislike the two forums as opposed to one..... neither is exciting anymore. variety is what made it work.
John >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>It's my belief that one or two hot headed dealers on the coin board felt their business threatened once the gold and silver markets began their recent retreats and wanted all discussions of the PM market halted so as not to draw attention to the sell off. I think a lot of dealers are stuck holding gobs of bullion and gobs of coins at higher prices and fear being unable to unload them. >>
I believe there is a whole lot of truth in the above....
for a week I have been hitting B&Ms within 50-100 mile radius looking for 10 and 100 oz silver bars......when I go in....I smile...greet the counter people....look around a bit and then ask if they have any 10 or 100 oz silver bars...and what is thier current sell price is?????...they look at me like I am there to rob them....
Had one tell me today...in a pleansant tone, that he pulled all twelve JM 10 ouncers he had since he had too much in them...and could not sell at these levels....I smiled and told him I understood...he was decent about it....but most had body language and voice tones as if I had a black hood on and was carrying a 9mm (it was in the car though)
Oh well...
RAH
Metal prices caused this, and the natural reaction of folks was to post tons of 'silver is off of a cliff' or 'what do you think metal prices will do tomorrow' threads.
It was evident to me that during the price fluctutations, the number of these PM price threads increased about four-fold. Folks would start new threads needlessly. Threads about rare coins would get pushed off of the front page within minutes.
To call the other forum boring? That is your opinion. I find both forums more interesting now; the PMers are posting more in the PM forum. The coin folks see more of the information they want to see and less fluff. Folks that span both forums can do just that. To read a conspiracy into this...well, I totally understand that too, but I sure do not agree with it.
I actually think that both forums are more valuable now, split apart, than the two were when together. So there. Mr contrarian speaks.
<< <i>To think that a pair of dealers forced PCGS to do this seems bizarre to me.
Metal prices caused this, and the natural reaction of folks was to post tons of 'silver is off of a cliff' or 'what do you think metal prices will do tomorrow' threads.
It was evident to me that during the price fluctutations, the number of these PM price threads increased about four-fold. Folks would start new threads needlessly. Threads about rare coins would get pushed off of the front page within minutes.
To call the other forum boring? That is your opinion. I find both forums more interesting now; the PMers are posting more in the PM forum. The coin folks see more of the information they want to see and less fluff. Folks that span both forums can do just that. To read a conspiracy into this...well, I totally understand that too, but I sure do not agree with it.
I actually think that both forums are more valuable now, split apart, than the two were when together. So there. Mr contrarian speaks. >>
Hi Adam....I never said I found the US COIN FORUM boring....I like it there too...and spend more time there than here......The split to a PM Forum is ok with me....but I do think there is some basis that some dealers have put too much, into too much straight bullion...and the "gloom and doom" post of silver PM dropping to $5 or lower....bothered some.
Yes....too many repeat PM threads were posted during the spikes....both up and down...so 2 forums seem to be the best result.
All the best,
RAH
I totally agree that lots of dealers have a serious problem with the silver they hold right now. It was terribly evident at the Fremont Elks coin show last weekend! The folks that did have silver were not selling at 'current' spot prices; no way!
Collectors seem to be more okay with the issue, as they tend to be longer term holders.
Dealers on the other hand are long term holders of silver only because many of them feel like they are drowning under water and do not want to take a loss. Totally understandable.
In fact, I think the whole issue is interesting as it indicates that there is far from one market of silver; there are millions of little local markets.
I wonder what sort of burden this puts on the US Mint and their planchet suppliers?
<< <i>In fact, I think the whole issue is interesting as it indicates that there is far from one market of silver; there are millions of little local markets. >>
totally agree here.....one of the reasons I find it so interesting to see all the different directions the move in silver has propelled people.
All the best!
RAH
If anything indicates PCGS has responded more to forum members than dealers per say is the return of first strike submissions for the common joe/jane. It would be in the best interest of those dealers ,those that do submit first strikes, to have exclusive submission ability therefore limiting the price and permitting a greater return due to supply and demand pressures. Hence if dealers have such great influence with PCGS I don't think we may have seen the return of First Strike submissions so quickly. No doubt a decrease in revenue for PCGS had much to play with this.
It is somewhat humorous to see the First Strike announcement being made over in the coin forum and not in the PMs forum. After all the large number of bullion coins that are submitted under this is a very significant amount of the volume of First Strike.
To call the other forum boring? That is your opinion. I find both forums more interesting now; the PMers are posting more in the PM forum. The coin folks see more of the information they want to see and less fluff. Folks that span both forums can do just that. To read a conspiracy into this...well, I totally understand that too, but I sure do not agree with it.
I actually think that both forums are more valuable now, split apart, than the two were when together. So there. Mr contrarian speaks. >>
Being the OP here I must confess that it was a dig to spark conversation. I think the two forums could exist together as they have but some just pushed for the split. I don't know the inner politics.
Did the PM threads get a bit ridiculous...yes! But posters were excited that the PM's had moved so much in the past few years. I liked the spice. It was humorous at times. Which is another thing that is slowly being killed at the "forums."
Ren
But, it's also clear that there's a certain amount of disdain for pms and bullion coins, especially from a group that no doubt has a large vested interest in "classics".
That's truly a shame, because such divisions don't help the hobby - they only promote an us vs. them mentality. It doesn't help recruitment into the areas of numismatics that they claim to love so much when an effort is made to antagonize the very base of collectors who are most likely to filter into other areas.
So be it.
I knew it would happen.
I feel that the US Coin Forum is still fair game.
In my opinion, the US Coin Forum is for anything that PCGS will slab.
This forum is for talking about Precious Metals (and how they relate to coins).
So, I will continue to post 'bullion' questions, answers and pictures to the US Coin forum if it involves one of those metallic numismatic non-circulatory things produced by the US Mint and graded by PCGS.
If you think of the distinction in terms of the PCGS business model...things that are slabbed...then the division is even clearer to me.
I expect to be corrected by carolj or SportsModerator1 or the like if I am wrong on this. It's probably not a huge issue such that they trouble themselves too much.
I look at this new forum as more of a new feature for our benefit rather than a directive from above combined with penalties for violation.
this place can be, but doesn't have to be
let it be an escape for the overtaxed masses
away from the hustle and bustle and
maybe even boring college classes
Participation is good for viewers/posters and translates into hits for CU.
I'd love to see the stats since the split.
I'd bet if you add the activity from both forums post split and compare it to an equal number of days pre split it is down sharply.
If I am right, why would we (CU and those that influenced the split) not admit the error, and go back to the way it was?
John
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there has been more opportunity to express and participate and not have an opinion buried by four eBay, three paypal, 4 guess the grade, or whatever fell off a cliff or is going through the roof...i still go there, too.
call me "bi" (as far as the board changes) but i like it
I prefer a big melting pot of coin-related posts to bunch of fractionalized folders, but that's just me.
I have to say, that since the split, the Coin Forum
seems as dead as a doornail.
Camelot