I am POed Canadian coin

ajaan

BBed at a leading TPG.

newbiecollector

Why?.........does it looked cleaned in hand? Doesn't to me in the pic.

I see a small ding at 12 o'clock but that isn't BB stuff is it?

ormandh

Why was it bb'd?- Dan

PlatinumDuck

Write to the TPG and tell them that you have declared their BB to be BS

ajaan

Reverse scratch. The only thing I can think of is the small light scratch to the left of the '1' in the date. I have seen much, much worse in other slabs.

newbiecollector

<< <i>Reverse scratch. The only thing I can think of is the small light scratch to the left of the '1' in the date. I have seen much, much worse in other slabs. >>


That would make no sense to me at all!
I am not trying to say I am an expert but I have a few slabs with worse scracthes than that.

From the pic I was wondering if it had been "over dipped"? Or is that just the photo?

IstilllikeZARcoins

Will you resubmit either at the same place later on or elsewhere sooner ?

ajaan

The coin hasn't been dipped. Original surfaces. BBed for reverse scratch.

I won't resubmit to the same TPG.

In the same submission I had an ICCS coin downgraded from MS60 to AU58.

coinpictures

The complete and utter lack of consistency by both PCGS and NGC on their grading "standards" (and I use the term loosely) is appalling. Look at some of the trash that makes its way into their holders, especially U.S. material from 1793-1850. If it's a pedigreed collection or a heavy-hitting submittor, ANYTHING will be holdered. You just have to kiss the right ass.

I have seen colonial-era U.S. material in holders that, had the coins been Darkside, never would have come close to holdering. Whizzed, harshly cleaned, heavily gouged...

Doogy

<< <i>The complete and utter lack of consistency by both PCGS and NGC on their grading "standards" (and I use the term loosely) is appalling. Look at some of the trash that makes its way into their holders, especially U.S. material from 1793-1850. If it's a pedigreed collection or a heavy-hitting submittor, ANYTHING will be holdered. You just have to kiss the right ass.

I have seen colonial-era U.S. material in holders that, had the coins been Darkside, never would have come close to holdering. Whizzed, harshly cleaned, heavily gouged... >>



they both "need" the colonial-era US stuff in their respective holders, and will just about slab any trash that comes their way. Net grading has pretty much been the order of the day for some time now it seems. I have a PCGS XF-40 Bust half that looks like someone took a Brillo pad to it, after it was dipped out. I paid $50 for it, just for kicks. I keep it as a reminder not to trust what the label says on coins without first giving it a good examination.

ajaan

I really wanted to sell the 1917 25c but the way the market is now it will almost be impossible to sell it unholdered for a decent price.

IstilllikeZARcoins

Just put it in a coin envelope for a few years Don and pull it out when its nice and toned.

gecko109

I wonder if that gouge to the left of "C" is the reason? Thats a pretty nasty scratch.

ajaan

That 'gouge' is nothing compared to most of the marks I've seen on MS61 to MS63 Morgan Dollars. Not all coins are graded equally.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>That 'gouge' is nothing compared to most of the marks I've seen on MS61 to MS63 Morgan Dollars. Not all coins are graded equally. >>



If the grade doesn't fit ... resubmit Send it to the competitor. I've done this quite a few times with good results in the past for each side of the street.

ajaan

BTW, the coin was BBed by NGC.

zeebob

NGC?

I sent in an 1798 dollar to NCS for encapsulation (I figured XF-45 cleaned). It came back in an NGC holder as XF-45. Emboldened, I then sent it over to PCGS for a crossover. PCGS just rolled their eyes at the coin, declared it cleaned and kept my $50 fee and sent the coin back.

From that, I concluded NGC would put any old gouged up old coin in a holder. Now I see that they won't put a beautiful Canadian quarter in a holder. What gives with that? Sheesh.

I like your coin. I think it'd look pretty in a PCGS holder. I'll be PCGS would agree too. I'm sure they would be happy to accept your submission fee...

BCNumismatics

<< <i>BBed at a leading TPG.

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That's a very nice Canadian 25c. coin that you've got there.We never see coins from this coinage & earlier in this nice grade over here in New Zealand,but we do see a lot of well circulated ones though.The thing goes for the silver 5c.,10c.,& 50c. coins of this coinage & earlier.

Aidan.

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Hello Aidan, Welcome to the forum. I am a big fan of pre-decimal New Zealand coinage. Bill

Doogy

<< <i>NGC?

I sent in an 1798 dollar to NCS for encapsulation (I figured XF-45 cleaned). It came back in an NGC holder as XF-45. Emboldened, I then sent it over to PCGS for a crossover. PCGS just rolled their eyes at the coin, declared it cleaned and kept my $50 fee and sent the coin back.

From that, I concluded NGC would put any old gouged up old coin in a holder. Now I see that they won't put a beautiful Canadian quarter in a holder. What gives with that? Sheesh.

I like your coin. I think it'd look pretty in a PCGS holder. I'll be PCGS would agree too. I'm sure they would be happy to accept your submission fee... >>



you tried to "cross" it. crack it out, and they will take it. both services grade colonial US stuff with problems constantly; PCGS and NGC will both put virtually any old colonial stuff in their holders, a trip to any major show will prove it to you.

ajaan

<< <i> I think it'd look pretty in a PCGS holder. I'll be PCGS would agree too. I'm sure they would be happy to accept your submission fee.. >>


I would have sent it to PCGS but I had other coins for NGC so I included it with the submission never thinkiing it woould BB. Also, I didn't feel like waiting 3 months for it to get back to me. In hindsight I guess it should have gone to PCGS.

gecko109

<< <i>That 'gouge' is nothing compared to most of the marks I've seen on MS61 to MS63 Morgan Dollars. Not all coins are graded equally. >>




I agree completely, but this isnt a big hunk of silver. Marks are more "acceptable" the larger the coin is. Lighter, smaller coins are not expected to have these kinds of scratches.

coinkat

I am sorry to read this Ajaan. I think that NGC is inconsistent with Canadian. I have submitted several 25 CENTS... Mostly George VI, however, I have never developed a complete confident sense of what will happen. People are quick to dismiss NGC as being lax and not tough enough... not true... just inconsistent

ozzysdad47

After reading all the post's to this thread and looking at the coin, I am finally inclined to think that the service that graded the coin as BB, has forgotten what the standard's are, and where their root's began. Now it's all about the money. This company need's to Body Bag some of it's "So Called Grader's" and get someone that know's WTF is going on. BB my A$$................ Maybe if we all get a petition together and send it to them, Their service will improve? Afterall, The company was built on our dollar's.

JMHO, NOT!!!!!! If the truth fit's wear it.....

spinaker2000

This topic has been posted before.

ajaan

Post here once every 2 months and you have to make a remark like that. Geez!

JZrarities

BB? Are you kidding me?

Let's be real. They just made a quick $20 off you.
IMHO they do it all the time.

My last submission to them was 3 months ago.

Never Again.

I'm sick of the games.

BillyKingsley

Just one of the reasons that I only collect raw coins-no cares at all if some people charge you to tell you about your coin!