I do agree with HOF's general sentiment that this sucks for collectors, although I don't know about malicious intent or fraud on behalf of the manufacturers. I was soured on putting together the 1999 Upper Deck SPx set due to Shaun King not signing all of his cards, then after Thomas Jones took a complete pass on 2000 Upper Deck SPx, I gave up on putting together base sets with auto redemptions.
I think the move to autographed stickers was an effort by manufacturers to minimize this, but they proved to be unpopular with collectors, so the redemption game continues...
What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts?
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
The A&G doesn't have much for autos (i do want a manny though)...definetely don't want to put together that set for autos though. Triple threads - stickers.
The Goudey IMHO is a nice looking set, so I will stick with it.
Because Mike would rather spend time complaining and moaning about something he won't keep for longer than 1 month than to find a new something he might enjoy long enough to keep for 2 months.
At this point, (and this certainly isn't a dig at those that do it), I honestly think that Mike would be better off with a metal detector and hitting his local beaches than collecting cards and searching on eBay. The thrill of the hunt has always been of more interest to him than pride of ownership and collecting for enjoyment. Either that, or go back into prospect collecting, where flipping cards is far more normal, understandable, and expected.
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
<< <i>Because Mike would rather spend time complaining and moaning about something he won't keep for longer than 1 month than to find a new something he might enjoy long enough to keep for 2 months.
At this point, (and this certainly isn't a dig at those that do it), I honestly think that Mike would be better off with a metal detector and hitting his local beaches than collecting cards and searching on eBay. The thrill of the hunt has always been of more interest to him than pride of ownership and collecting for enjoyment. Either that, or go back into prospect collecting, where flipping cards is far more normal, understandable, and expected.
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
>>
Actually, you are right...and I am not ashamed to say so. I really enjoy the hunt more than the ownership....once you own it, for awhile, the excitement wears off....that is true of MOST cards for me.
But I would also like to commend you, because the cards that I do enjoy the most are the PSA/DNA rookie autos....Until tonite, the only ones I have ever sold are ones that I have upgraded to something nicer. But I just sold one that I truly liked and wouldn't think I could ever let go of, but I know how much it means to someone else. I can truly understand why you, SCHR1st have the pride of ownership you have, because of the type of cards you collect....You have to admit, you have more pride in some cards than others, right? SO what is so wrong with that?
I'm not really sure I understand your point, but here goes:
The cards I buy for my collection, I generally keep for a long time. As you know, it took me over 10 years to complete that 1968 Topps Superstars card by getting the Mays signature on it, and that was almost 4 years ago that I got that signature on the card. The only way that card is leaving my collection is theft, death, extreme financial need (and that would mean that about 100K worth of cards were sold before it), or giving it to my niece and nephew (I purchased another card already completed with the thought of giving one to each of them in mind).
I also do sell cards. Most of the stuff I buy for inventory I never have any intention of keeping for my collection. Still, there are times when I'll buy a lot or collection where there is one item I want for my collection and will sell the rest to help pay the item down (my 61 Hornsby and 58 Maris signed cards come to mind), but for the most part, I am able to keep my inventory purchases separate from my collection purchases.
Even still, I'm really happy when I'm able to help others fill holes in their collections. Just recently, I sold a Garnet "Ace" Bailey autographed card. I didn't have one in my collection, and was debating keeping it for myself, but knew I needed to try to keep my focus, and listed it. It ended up going to a collector who was very happy to add it to his collection, and I was very happy for him as well (even noting that I was happy for him and had considered keeping it in my reply to his positive feedback for me). Same goes for a few other really tough signatures I had sold recently. I know how happy I am when I add a tough piece to my collection, and enjoy helping other collectors do the same.
I collect because I enjoy collecting, and have done so for years now. When it stops being fun, I'll store them away, and either wait for it to become fun for me again, or I'll follow my muse wherever it takes me.
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<< <i>Because Mike would rather spend time complaining and moaning about something he won't keep for longer than 1 month than to find a new something he might enjoy long enough to keep for 2 months.
At this point, (and this certainly isn't a dig at those that do it), I honestly think that Mike would be better off with a metal detector and hitting his local beaches than collecting cards and searching on eBay. The thrill of the hunt has always been of more interest to him than pride of ownership and collecting for enjoyment. Either that, or go back into prospect collecting, where flipping cards is far more normal, understandable, and expected.
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
>>
Actually, you are right...and I am not ashamed to say so. I really enjoy the hunt more than the ownership....once you own it, for awhile, the excitement wears off....that is true of MOST cards for me.
But I would also like to commend you, because the cards that I do enjoy the most are the PSA/DNA rookie autos....Until tonite, the only ones I have ever sold are ones that I have upgraded to something nicer. But I just sold one that I truly liked and wouldn't think I could ever let go of, but I know how much it means to someone else. I can truly understand why you, SCHR1st have the pride of ownership you have, because of the type of cards you collect....You have to admit, you have more pride in some cards than others, right? SO what is so wrong with that? >>
I was being serious, I understand why you have pride in your ownership, because of the cards you collect. The cards I pride the most in my collection (besides a few others) are my psa/dna rookies. I have collected regular vintage and still have several, but it's like any day of the week you can find nicer ones out there, so unless it was a gift of something special about it, the enjoyment wears off once you get it. You can't say that so easily with autographed rookies...so I guess what I am saying, is that unless there is something special about the card, in one way or another, there isn't much pride in ownership. Just a FYI, besides the one time I sold out, I pretty much keep my collection stocked with about 200-300 cards...I rotate them. I usually will sell a player when they are hot (again unless the personal value exceeds the card value). I am all for making a buck, unless there is some attachement to the cards. I will also sell a current player if I feel a downward trend and believe I can pick it back up later for less. Some cards I buy specifically for resell, and some I buy in anticipation of keeping. I think if I ever completed a set or had a collection goal, i would be less likely to part with it. It has taken a LONG time to finally define what my collection is, and I believe I am close to that definition....so yes, my collection has changed a lot, and sometimes I do get frustrated with the hobby (like fake cards, like bad checklists, like bad authentications, etc..) and sometimes I am on the fence to dump it all. It does occupy a lot of my time. Sometimes I do, as you suggest, and think I will just put it all away for awhile and just take a break....but I am still here, and who knows for how long....for now, I am content with the way my collection is shaping up.
<< <i>I'm not really sure I understand your point, but here goes:
The cards I buy for my collection, I generally keep for a long time. As you know, it took me over 10 years to complete that 1968 Topps Superstars card by getting the Mays signature on it, and that was almost 4 years ago that I got that signature on the card. The only way that card is leaving my collection is theft, death, extreme financial need (and that would mean that about 100K worth of cards were sold before it), or giving it to my niece and nephew (I purchased another card already completed with the thought of giving one to each of them in mind).
I also do sell cards. Most of the stuff I buy for inventory I never have any intention of keeping for my collection. Still, there are times when I'll buy a lot or collection where there is one item I want for my collection and will sell the rest to help pay the item down (my 61 Hornsby and 58 Maris signed cards come to mind), but for the most part, I am able to keep my inventory purchases separate from my collection purchases.
Even still, I'm really happy when I'm able to help others fill holes in their collections. Just recently, I sold a Garnet "Ace" Bailey autographed card. I didn't have one in my collection, and was debating keeping it for myself, but knew I needed to try to keep my focus, and listed it. It ended up going to a collector who was very happy to add it to his collection, and I was very happy for him as well (even noting that I was happy for him and had considered keeping it in my reply to his positive feedback for me). Same goes for a few other really tough signatures I had sold recently. I know how happy I am when I add a tough piece to my collection, and enjoy helping other collectors do the same.
I collect because I enjoy collecting, and have done so for years now. When it stops being fun, I'll store them away, and either wait for it to become fun for me again, or I'll follow my muse wherever it takes me. >>
From what I understand, the initial report from Beckett, stating there was one SR auto per case, was incorrect. According to UD's sell sheets, there was supposed to be 2-3 SR autos/case on average.
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I think the move to autographed stickers was an effort by manufacturers to minimize this, but they proved to be unpopular with collectors, so the redemption game continues...
Snorto~
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts?
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
The A&G doesn't have much for autos (i do want a manny though)...definetely don't want to put together that set for autos though.
Triple threads - stickers.
The Goudey IMHO is a nice looking set, so I will stick with it.
Just picked this one up.
At this point, (and this certainly isn't a dig at those that do it), I honestly think that Mike would be better off with a metal detector and hitting his local beaches than collecting cards and searching on eBay. The thrill of the hunt has always been of more interest to him than pride of ownership and collecting for enjoyment. Either that, or go back into prospect collecting, where flipping cards is far more normal, understandable, and expected.
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
Anyway, I just wanted to add, at least there is a positive thing to this.... I only need about 20 more cards to complete the set instead of 73...
<< <i>Because Mike would rather spend time complaining and moaning about something he won't keep for longer than 1 month than to find a new something he might enjoy long enough to keep for 2 months.
At this point, (and this certainly isn't a dig at those that do it), I honestly think that Mike would be better off with a metal detector and hitting his local beaches than collecting cards and searching on eBay. The thrill of the hunt has always been of more interest to him than pride of ownership and collecting for enjoyment. Either that, or go back into prospect collecting, where flipping cards is far more normal, understandable, and expected.
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
>>
Actually, you are right...and I am not ashamed to say so. I really enjoy the hunt more than the ownership....once you own it, for awhile, the excitement wears off....that is true of MOST cards for me.
But I would also like to commend you, because the cards that I do enjoy the most are the PSA/DNA rookie autos....Until tonite, the only ones I have ever sold are ones that I have upgraded to something nicer. But I just sold one that I truly liked and wouldn't think I could ever let go of, but I know how much it means to someone else. I can truly understand why you, SCHR1st have the pride of ownership you have, because of the type of cards you collect....You have to admit, you have more pride in some cards than others, right? SO what is so wrong with that?
The cards I buy for my collection, I generally keep for a long time. As you know, it took me over 10 years to complete that 1968 Topps Superstars card by getting the Mays signature on it, and that was almost 4 years ago that I got that signature on the card. The only way that card is leaving my collection is theft, death, extreme financial need (and that would mean that about 100K worth of cards were sold before it), or giving it to my niece and nephew (I purchased another card already completed with the thought of giving one to each of them in mind).
I also do sell cards. Most of the stuff I buy for inventory I never have any intention of keeping for my collection. Still, there are times when I'll buy a lot or collection where there is one item I want for my collection and will sell the rest to help pay the item down (my 61 Hornsby and 58 Maris signed cards come to mind), but for the most part, I am able to keep my inventory purchases separate from my collection purchases.
Even still, I'm really happy when I'm able to help others fill holes in their collections. Just recently, I sold a Garnet "Ace" Bailey autographed card. I didn't have one in my collection, and was debating keeping it for myself, but knew I needed to try to keep my focus, and listed it. It ended up going to a collector who was very happy to add it to his collection, and I was very happy for him as well (even noting that I was happy for him and had considered keeping it in my reply to his positive feedback for me). Same goes for a few other really tough signatures I had sold recently. I know how happy I am when I add a tough piece to my collection, and enjoy helping other collectors do the same.
I collect because I enjoy collecting, and have done so for years now. When it stops being fun, I'll store them away, and either wait for it to become fun for me again, or I'll follow my muse wherever it takes me.
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<< <i>Because Mike would rather spend time complaining and moaning about something he won't keep for longer than 1 month than to find a new something he might enjoy long enough to keep for 2 months.
At this point, (and this certainly isn't a dig at those that do it), I honestly think that Mike would be better off with a metal detector and hitting his local beaches than collecting cards and searching on eBay. The thrill of the hunt has always been of more interest to him than pride of ownership and collecting for enjoyment. Either that, or go back into prospect collecting, where flipping cards is far more normal, understandable, and expected.
<< <i>What set is this anyway?? Who cares about this crap?
If you arent happy with this set, arent there about 25 other 2008 sets that have all kinds of autographs, game used jersey cards and 1/1 Wooly mammoth pube inserts? >>
>>
Actually, you are right...and I am not ashamed to say so. I really enjoy the hunt more than the ownership....once you own it, for awhile, the excitement wears off....that is true of MOST cards for me.
But I would also like to commend you, because the cards that I do enjoy the most are the PSA/DNA rookie autos....Until tonite, the only ones I have ever sold are ones that I have upgraded to something nicer. But I just sold one that I truly liked and wouldn't think I could ever let go of, but I know how much it means to someone else. I can truly understand why you, SCHR1st have the pride of ownership you have, because of the type of cards you collect....You have to admit, you have more pride in some cards than others, right? SO what is so wrong with that? >>
<< <i>I'm not really sure I understand your point, but here goes:
The cards I buy for my collection, I generally keep for a long time. As you know, it took me over 10 years to complete that 1968 Topps Superstars card by getting the Mays signature on it, and that was almost 4 years ago that I got that signature on the card. The only way that card is leaving my collection is theft, death, extreme financial need (and that would mean that about 100K worth of cards were sold before it), or giving it to my niece and nephew (I purchased another card already completed with the thought of giving one to each of them in mind).
I also do sell cards. Most of the stuff I buy for inventory I never have any intention of keeping for my collection. Still, there are times when I'll buy a lot or collection where there is one item I want for my collection and will sell the rest to help pay the item down (my 61 Hornsby and 58 Maris signed cards come to mind), but for the most part, I am able to keep my inventory purchases separate from my collection purchases.
Even still, I'm really happy when I'm able to help others fill holes in their collections. Just recently, I sold a Garnet "Ace" Bailey autographed card. I didn't have one in my collection, and was debating keeping it for myself, but knew I needed to try to keep my focus, and listed it. It ended up going to a collector who was very happy to add it to his collection, and I was very happy for him as well (even noting that I was happy for him and had considered keeping it in my reply to his positive feedback for me). Same goes for a few other really tough signatures I had sold recently. I know how happy I am when I add a tough piece to my collection, and enjoy helping other collectors do the same.
I collect because I enjoy collecting, and have done so for years now. When it stops being fun, I'll store them away, and either wait for it to become fun for me again, or I'll follow my muse wherever it takes me. >>