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Great BIN Price for a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 5 ... Assuming The Auction Is Legitimate
JackWESQ
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Here is a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 5 with (what I believe) to be a truly great Buy It Now price of $12,500.00. The seller states that "SINCE THIS IS A EXPENSIVE CARD!! NO PICK UPS WHAT SO EVER." Wouldn't you think that it be the other way around, e.g., since this is an expensive card, picks up are welcomed and encouraged?
/s/ JackWESQ
P.S. You gotta love his other auctions for "PUMA FUTURE CAT" athletic shoes.
P.S.S. Oh, after some digging, I saw that the Mantle sold via an Andy Madec auction here.
/s/ JackWESQ
P.S. You gotta love his other auctions for "PUMA FUTURE CAT" athletic shoes.
P.S.S. Oh, after some digging, I saw that the Mantle sold via an Andy Madec auction here.
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My spidey sense is tingling... or maybe I'm having a stroke thinking about the odds anyone would take a $4K loss on that card...
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I was always concerned when buying or selling hotrods and corvettes. Meeting someone you don't know and bringing a lot of cash is dangerous.
<< <i>Once again...why would anybody buy a card as valuable as a 1952 Mantle on Ebay? >>
so auction house employees cant shill it up
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Because they don't know any better.
The pics in the EBAY listing are the same pics in the Madec auction.
Nothing wrong with that, if he actually has the card.
This is VERY likely a SCAM.
"THIS IS A SCAN OF THE CARD THE FAMILY SENT US TO SELL FOR THEM. I AM NOT SURE IF THEY KNOW HOW TO USE THE COMPUTER. BUT THEY ALSO TOLD US HE JUST ONE THIS CARD AT AN AUCTION ABOUT 1 TO 2 MONTHS AGO BEFORE HE DIED. SEND ME A COPY OF YOUR CARD TO THE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED THIS GUY WAS AN OFFICER OF MINE WHO JUST DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES. I WAS HIS LIEUTENANT. IF IT IS THE WRONG SERIAL NUMBER SEND ME A PICTURE WITH TODAYS NEWSPAPER DATE. I HAVE TO PICK UP FROM THEM BEFORE I SHIP. I LOOKED AT THE SITE THERE WHERE 2 MANTLE PSA 5 SOLD THAT SAME MONTH MAYBE THEY SENT ME THE WRONG PICTURE. I WAS INFORMED OF THIS ALREADY. I KNOW HE HAS THE CARD. BUT THE CERT NUMBER MAY POSSIBLE BE WRONG AND THE PSA REGISTRY DOESNT SHOW THE OWNER OF THE CARD. BUT IT IS STILL A MANTLE PSA 5 REGARDLESS. ALSO YOU KNOW THE PRICE IS EXTREMLY CHEAP IF YOU BOUGHT ONE FOR 16,000. I WILL CHANGE PICTURE IF IT IS THE WRONG CERT NUMBER ONCE YOU SEND ME A COPY OF YOURS WITH TODAYS DATE.THE CARD IS REAL HIS FAMILY IS JUST UNDER ALOT OF DIRESS FROM HIS UNEXPECTED DEATH. IT IS POSSIABLE THEY SENT A COPY OF THE WRONG CARD. THEY DONT HAVE A SCANNER SO I SAID JUST SEND A COPY WHERE HE BOUGHT IT FROM. HE WAS A BIG MANTLE FAN."
What a dirtbag!
PoppaJ
Funny it was right after his response to my email.
The buyer has deep pockets, based on a few auctions he recently won.
I just sent the buyer a copy of the sellers email; hopefully that'll make him think before he pays.
MANY EBAY sellers need to serve some time.
/s/ JackWESQ
Steve
<< <i>IF the buyer uses a credit card, he is safe.
MANY EBAY sellers need to serve some time. >>
I still can't believe that, in this day and age, there is a venue out there through which a scammer can try to jailsex a mark to the tune of five figures without having to worry about any possible legal consequences. That just baffles me. Assuming this auction is a scam (and that's almost assuredly a safe assumption) what the seller is trying to pull off here amounts to felony fraud, and yet there is virtually no chance that he'll ever see the inside of a courthouse because of it.
I know it's Ebay, and the Internet is the Wild West of the 21st century, blah blah blah, but still-- this is just completely out of hand. We're not talking about passing off a VG 1976 Topps Pete Rose as NM here, we're talking about stealing ten dimes from somebody.
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Yup.
The fix is easy, BUT oppressive to EBAY's profits.
<< <i>Eventually, not fixing it will also be oppresive to Ebay's profits... >>
I just can't believe it still continues. I can see in the beginning, maybe, when Ebay was still getting its act together, but now? What, 10 years later? I'm not a real critic of Ebay, since I think overall it's a fine venue, but they really need to either a) work harder to keep this kind of stuff from happening, or b) do more to help buyers (and sellers) who've been ripped off. And by this I mean being more proactive in contacting the appropriate authorities, etc.
One big thing that would help, I think, would be to enforce a minimum age of around 21 or so for Ebay members. Another big step would be to build a database that would keep people who've been NARU'd from opening new accounts.
Some measure of revenge can be exacted on SCAMSTERS in this circumstance.
IF a buyer can convince such a seller to file a Mutual Withdrawal, the buyer
need only check the "Do Not Agree" box, and the seller will lose the Final Value Fees.
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Security is LOW on the totem-pole of concerns at EBAY. Talk is cheap - and EBAY
talks a good game - but NEVER performs.
$20,000,000 a year is noted as "Security" expenditures on EBAY's SEC filings.
IF another business earning about $8-million a year spent the pro-rata share that
EBAY spends, that business would be spending less than $20,000 a year on "security."
Think about it.
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As of tonight, I am still unable to relist my TOPPS "Tiffany" cards. The bots still think
I am trying to list "Tiffany" jewelry/fashion items. I also cannot revise any existing
"Tiffany" listings. Earlier this week, the DVD "Breakfast At Tiffanys" was also being
bot-killed. EBAY continues to say it's a "glitch," and should be fixed "soon."
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IF MSFT or GOOG were to make a move - or, if AMZN was to invite collectible categories -
EBAY shares would likely be trading below $10 in a few days.
<< <i>EBAY collected several-hundred dollars on the instant sale.
Some measure of revenge can be exacted on SCAMSTERS in this circumstance.
IF a buyer can convince such a seller to file a Mutual Withdrawal, the buyer
need only check the "Do Not Agree" box, and the seller will lose the Final Value Fees.
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Security is LOW on the totem-pole of concerns at EBAY. Talk is cheap - and EBAY
talks a good game - but NEVER performs.
$20,000,000 a year is noted as "Security" expenditures on EBAY's SEC filings.
IF another business earning about $8-million a year spent the pro-rata share that
EBAY spends, that business would be spending less than $20,000 a year on "security."
Think about it.
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As of tonight, I am still unable to relist my TOPPS "Tiffany" cards. The bots still think
I am trying to list "Tiffany" jewelry/fashion items. I also cannot revise any existing
"Tiffany" listings. Earlier this week, the DVD "Breakfast At Tiffanys" was also being
bot-killed. EBAY continues to say it's a "glitch," and should be fixed "soon."
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IF MSFT or GOOG were to make a move - or, if AMZN was to invite collectible categories -
EBAY shares would likely be trading below $10 in a few days. >>
This brings up another question which you're probably qualified to answer. Why has nobody else gotten serious about building an auction site? Can it really be that hard to copy (and improve) Ebay's business model?
The auction you guys are talking about is a complete bogus one. That EXACT card was listed on eBay this past Saturday (7/26) and was ended by the seller on 7/28. Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150275019586&sspagename=ADME:X:AAQ:US:11
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If you study EBAY's SEC filings, it becomes clear that EBAY-auctions are
a losing proposition. No other public company wants to wade into quicksand.
My guess is that by 2010, EBAY will be losing money on all of their enterprises
except for PayPal. It is likely that PP will be spun-off to the shareholders and
EBAY will just flounder on in a negative-growth business.
Auctions are DEAD. The CLCT buyers/sellers are in educated denial on the issue.
Card/Coin auctions "still work great." Problem is, that EBAY will not provide a
venue for "collectible auctions," when the markets that are profitable have
said,"We hate auctions. We want to shop like we do at AMZN." Collctible
sellers/buyers are NOT working in a vacuum; they are the TINY tail of a VERY BIG
commodity dog.
IF goog and msft could make money with a "new site," they would do it.
The "new site" will have to come from a little guy who can capture the imagination
of collectibles/crafts buyers/sellers. A teenager has made a start, BUT is floundering.
gozbay.com is the right concept, but he has no money and no idea how to control
and promote a site.
He envisioned "The Ethical Online Auction Venue." In just days, it has been loaded
with porno and scammers. Totally out of control AND no shoppers.
AMZN has won the war. They simply need to invite some of the "unique item" sellers
to play in the river. Yesterday, AMZN opened their "payment processing service" to
the public. They are clearly trying to hurt PP.
EBAY wants to be AMZN, but they never can be. They will lose everything that they/we
built, trying to do the impossible.
Soon, EBAY will be all BIN and 90% commodity merch from China. They just don't get IT.
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They are floating the idea of stopping NPBs by requiring PP only. NPBs could not leave
FB unless they showed they had paid via PP. They are trying to tempt desperate sellers,
and it may work. (eCrater already has a similar scheme. No electronic payment, no FB.)
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This has been an unscheduled hijacking.
"LIGHTING FAST PAYMENT. ALL OF EBAY SHOULD BE THIS GOOD!! ONE OF THE BEST!! ENJOY"
I truly believe that the seller is $9,500.00 richer to the same extent that my 49ers will be hoisting the Lombardi trophy come February 2009.
/s/ JackWESQ
P.S. No feedback from buyer to seller ... yet.
<< <i>Quick update. The seller left positive feedback for the buyer, to wit:
"LIGHTING FAST PAYMENT. ALL OF EBAY SHOULD BE THIS GOOD!! ONE OF THE BEST!! ENJOY"
I truly believe that the seller is $9,500.00 richer to the same extent that my 49ers will be hoisting the Lombardi trophy come February 2009.
/s/ JackWESQ
P.S. No feedback from buyer to seller ... yet. >>
I have no intentions of following it, but the "buyer" could leave positive feedback, and could likely be a shill or a hijacked account, just to give confidence to possible future suckers...er I mean buyers. The old con games haven't died...they continue to live on good ol' ebay.
Look at the feedback left by jaxcanman
Ouch
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"BEWARE! He is a scam. Sent a worthless tennis card!!! Police investigation!"
Now I am torn. Of course, I am angry at the seller for selling / engaging in truly fraudulent activity. But I can't let the seller off either because he must have been delusional thinking he could get such a Mantle for only $9,500.00.
/s/ JackWESQ
to use better common sense on high end purchases. This amount of $$$ MUST be in person or a well known
dealer/auction house.
Ya, a sucker for sure.
<< <i>Oh my gosh! Did buyer jaxcanman really send $9,500.00 to djwholesale2008?! I have to guess so based upon this feedback left, to wit:
"BEWARE! He is a scam. Sent a worthless tennis card!!! Police investigation!"
Now I am torn. Of course, I am angry at the seller for selling / engaging in truly fraudulent activity. But I can't let the seller off either because he must have been delusional thinking he could get such a Mantle for only $9,500.00.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
The tennis card musta been one of Bobby Riggs.
You mean it wasn't?
Steve
that the listing was FRAUDULENT and that the seller was a
CRIMINAL.
Interesting that I still cannot relist TOPPS "Tiffany" cards,
OR modify current "Tiffany" listings. Interesting that dutymon
and THOUSANDS of other sellers get their listings poofed for
"policy violations." YET, this SCUMBAG is allowed to STEAL
with impunity.
EBAY collects hundreds of dollars on EACH of these SCAMS.
They have NO interest in stopping them. They are NOTHING
but an out of control RICO-Enterprise.
The subject buyer should retain counsel and bring an Unfair
Business Practices complaint against EvilBAY. I will be happy
to furnish the Plaintiff with copies of the reports that I filed
with T&S; if they had acted on MY reports and others, the
buyer would have been saved. (EBAY routinely settles such
complaints QUICKLY and QUIETLY.)
<< <i>Unfair Business Practices >>
California Business and Professions Code Section 17200 ... a truly powerful law when used correctly, even more so when used incorrectly.
In some ways, the entire ebay operations reminds me of Hollywood accounting and, if it were ever put to the test, stands at 0% chance of withstanding scrutiny.
/s/ JackWESQ
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Amen; and, most often, that's the BEST way to use it.
Back in the day, I used to encourage young lawyers to hang out in the
emergency room.
Nowadays, I teach them how to draft UBP complaints that are sprinkled
with every element of Civil RICO that I can dream-up.
The corporate GANGSTERS have a choice: Defend it on the front page
of the WSJ, ......... OR, pay fast.
I don't abuse the concept, and I only chase REALLY BAD folks.
<< <i>Well, I guess he decided to accept the only offer he had ($9500).
Funny it was right after his response to my email.
The buyer has deep pockets, based on a few auctions he recently won.
I just sent the buyer a copy of the sellers email; hopefully that'll make him think before he pays. >>
Wow! After I took the time to try to help the buyer, jaxcanman, by sending him the seller's reply to an email that I sent him, jaxcanman sends me a nasty note telling me to mind my own business and that he's not stupid.
I beg to differ! What the hell is wrong with people nowadays?
PoppaJ
that blows that the buyer would take out some of his anger towards you. I hope that you continue to do the same thing in the future and try and stop big-time shady deals. Now the readers will feel a bit less sorry for him/her.
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He IS stupid, BUT it's NOT OK to steal from stupid people.
That being said, I hope the buyer unleashes the wrath of god on this scammer.
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Steve
"I just sent the buyer a copy of the sellers email; hopefully that'll make him think before he pays."
Nevermind I found my answer. IMO this buyer and his greed got in th way. Hoping to get a 15k card for less then 10k
is the REASON he got taken.
Hopefully he can get his dough back. A call to the local police is in order here IMO.
Steve
<< <i>Poppa,
that blows that the buyer would take out some of his anger towards you. I hope that you continue to do the same thing in the future and try and stop big-time shady deals. Now the readers will feel a bit less sorry for him/her. >>
LoD,
I'm not sure it was anger he was taking out on me; it was more like he was ABOVE being told what to do or what not to do in this case.
Not a big deal to me at all .... but hopefully he learned a valuable lesson in life: When something is Free, take it ... even if it's only advice!
PoppaJ
Steve
<< <i>Obviousely you don't have much knowledge of the business world. There is nothing wrong with taking risk. >>
There is taking a risk then taking an uneducated risk. Granted the risk is only based on what can be lost compared to what can be gained.
So while there is a risk I may surrive being run over by a truck there is no way I would want to take that risk.
While you may be perfectly fine in taking a 9k uneducated risk there are quite a few people (even with that kind of money) that would not.
And business risks are a lot different then "Hobby" risks.