A "circ cameo" look on an almost uncirculated Morgan...or maybe I should ask...is it a chi

Newcomp103

At 1st glance, this one looks heavily circulated....but it only has some rub on the high spots and I grade it AU+. Has this been re-toned to look like this??

doh

Has the look of a Chinese counterfeit. Not sure what's up with the color.

DennisH

It all looks OK to me.

SilverEagles92

<< <i>Has the look of a Chinese counterfeit. Not sure what's up with the color. >>


That was my immediate thought as well.

seanq

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<< <i>Has the look of a Chinese counterfeit. Not sure what's up with the color. >>


That was my immediate thought as well. >>



Compared to the earlier dates, all 1921 Morgans look like Chinese counterfeits.


Sean Reynolds

Newcomp103

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<< <i>Has the look of a Chinese counterfeit. Not sure what's up with the color. >>


That was my immediate thought as well. >>



WOW!!! I never guessed a fake! I got this as a gift...it was bought at the B&M about an hour away. Interesting! But why would they make a fake of the most common date in the series????

AUandAG

Is that for real?

bob


Let me elaborate: The L and B in PLURIBUS are wrong for starters. JMO

SilverEagles92

It just has that cast look.

RollSearcher

Out of curiosity, I got a couple of Chinese counterfeits from Ebay recently, and this would fit right in there with them. Overall, a very good fake, but even without looking at it closely for telltale signs, it just has that look that something isn't quite right.

NH484000

The "E" in United doesn't look quite right either...

MICHAELDIXON

It looks authentic to me. Take the coin out of the holder and weigh it.

jmj3esq

Looks like a fake that was polished and has since retoned.

dcarr

Genuine coin, not a counterfeit.
It may have been lightly cleaned at some point, before and/or after being toned.
That kind of toning is not at all unusual for a silver dollar.

Newcomp103

I will weigh it...thanks for all of the responses.

SirAnthonyAC

The lower curve of the “B” in “Pluribus” should be larger than the top one… the coin in question has both curves even.

The lower curve of the “9” in the date “1921” is too short and is not even with the top curve of the “9”.

The "E" in "United" is off... it's too curved and the "D" in "United" is missing the tails, when compared to the example below. The coin in question does have that AT grayish, almost monotone toning to it as well but, if it is a counterfeit, it's a very good one, it would fool many.

Also, the breast feathers do not blend into the eagle's neck feathers, there's no transition, the breast feathers are just smooth but the eagle's neck feathers are still defined... the breast feathers appear to have been artificially worn.

As far as, why counterfeit a common date… simple, the Chinese are selling complete counterfeit sets in VF to EX condition, you can get a complete set of Peace or Morgans for $100… then sell off all the commons for $15 to $20 each (just sell about 5 and you got your money back), then sell the Morgan CCs for $120 and up, along with the semi keys, $100 here and $150 there, it's all profit. Just don’t try to sell the most expensive Keys because you’ll get caught by the higher end collectors…there’s a lot of profit in it that's for sure.

I’ve been raising the red flag to EBay and the ANA about this for months… no response, no one cares.







Edited to add image comparisons

Wolf359

100% Genuine 1921 Morgan dollar.

This is not a fake. The letter and date differences are from the strike.

Newcomp103

<< <i>100% Genuine 1921 Morgan dollar.

This is not a fake. The letter and date differences are from the strike. >>



Thanks Jack....any idea if it has been cleaned/retoned??? I think it has, but I still like the overall look....(and I personally paid nothing for it!)

Wolf359

Appears to be cleaned and re-toned, yes.

ChrisRx

Definitely cleaned. Retoned? Yes.
Fake? Weigh it.