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1876 CC 20 cents cancelled dies & pewter impressions
edix2001
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This photo, courtesy of Debby Noffsinger (a Coins in the Classroom student), shows the restored/preserved canceled Carson City dies that coiner Ken Hopple brought along to ANA Summer Seminar. The uniface pewter impressions from the dies were made using a hydraulic process. The two pewter pieces sold as a group for around $500 to the secretary of my local coin club, John Barber.
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Interesting stuff! I have a pair of these myself.
Alas, the diagnostics of it being "THE" obverse die for the 76-CC were obliterated by rust and decay. The CC Mint did, however, received six sets of dies from the Philadelphia Mint for use in 1876, so the odds were low that it was the fabled doubled-die obverse die. I was able to make lead and clay impressions at the time even though the dies had not been fully "finished."
It was years later that Ken found and worked on the reverse die (which I have not yet examined). It is wonderful that he was allowed to bring them from the Nevada State Museum and share them with fellow collectors.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Ken had sent me the actual pair of 1876 & CC Twenty Cent Dies,
but as you mentioned, they were way too corroded to see any
doubling of Liberty, or to match the placement of the CC on the
reverse die. (this was about 2+ years ago)
I tried, but couldn't match either one of the dies to a struck
1876-CC Twenty Cent piece.....
He was nice enough to send me an impression-set from the
dies, which I was able to keep....neat item!
Fred
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
See you in Baltimore!
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Debby shot over 400 images during her week in Colorado Springs and she just gave my local club an educational presentation, along with fellow Coins in the Classroom teacher, Gaylen Chadwick, about their experiences during Summer Seminar.
Debby had never really been interested in coins previously, but the experience really caught her fancy, which is recognizable in both her photographic subject matter and the enthusiasm she expressed during her club presentation last Thursday night. And since the Coins in the Classroom course was so in-depth, it was like Debby was birthed as a coin collector in a wide variety of areas all at once, in distinction to an average collector who likely develops their tastes and experiences over great spans of time. It's been quite inspiring to me to observe Debby's sense of wonder and new found excitement in numismatics.
p.s. - I forgot to add that John Barber won the 1876 CC canceled die pewter impressions for around $500 at the ANA Summer Seminar Young Numismatists scholarship auction. So it is great that both Ken Hopple and John Barber were able to contribute to next year's YN scholarships in that fashion.
The highlight of my trip to the Nevada State Museum was seeing a 1876-CC 20 cent piece (I think it was cleaned, though).
Obscurum per obscurius
<< <i>I'll be making a webpage with lots of Debby Noffsinger's shots of Ken Hopple's CC dies and such fairly soon and uploading it to the Greater Houston Coin Club webpage, where I am the new webmaster.
Debby shot over 400 images during her week in Colorado Springs and she just gave my local club an educational presentation, along with fellow Coins in the Classroom teacher, Gaylen Chadwick, about their experiences during Summer Seminar.
Debby had never really been interested in coins previously, but the experience really caught her fancy, which is recognizable in both her photographic subject matter and the enthusiasm she expressed during her club presentation last Thursday night. And since the Coins in the Classroom course was so in-depth, it was like Debby was birthed as a coin collector in a wide variety of areas all at once, in distinction to an average collector who likely develops their tastes and experiences over great spans of time. It's been quite inspiring to me to observe Debby's sense of wonder and new found excitement in numismatics.
p.s. - I forgot to add that John Barber won the 1876 CC canceled die pewter impressions for around $500 at the ANA Summer Seminar Young Numismatists scholarship auction. So it is great that both Ken Hopple and John Barber were able to contribute to next year's YN scholarships in that fashion. >>
During the week 2 auction, Mike Ellis was the high phone bidder for the set of impressions. I believe that set also went for around $500.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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<< <i>I'll be making a webpage with lots of Debby Noffsinger's shots of Ken Hopple's CC dies and such fairly soon and uploading it to the Greater Houston Coin Club webpage, where I am the new webmaster.
Debby shot over 400 images during her week in Colorado Springs and she just gave my local club an educational presentation, along with fellow Coins in the Classroom teacher, Gaylen Chadwick, about their experiences during Summer Seminar.
Debby had never really been interested in coins previously, but the experience really caught her fancy, which is recognizable in both her photographic subject matter and the enthusiasm she expressed during her club presentation last Thursday night. And since the Coins in the Classroom course was so in-depth, it was like Debby was birthed as a coin collector in a wide variety of areas all at once, in distinction to an average collector who likely develops their tastes and experiences over great spans of time. It's been quite inspiring to me to observe Debby's sense of wonder and new found excitement in numismatics.
p.s. - I forgot to add that John Barber won the 1876 CC canceled die pewter impressions for around $500 at the ANA Summer Seminar Young Numismatists scholarship auction. So it is great that both Ken Hopple and John Barber were able to contribute to next year's YN scholarships in that fashion. >>
During the week 2 auction, Mike Ellis was the high phone bidder for the set of impressions. I believe that set also went for around $500.
Lane >>
It was $675, I recall.
Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
sORRY, MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK IN CAPS LOCK.
tHAT'S A COOL ITEM! vERY HISTORICAL.
iS THERE ANY MORE DIES FLOATING AROUND FROM THIS TIME PERIOD?
-wES
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
<< <i>sORRY, MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK IN CAPS LOCK.
tHAT'S A COOL ITEM! vERY HISTORICAL.
iS THERE ANY MORE DIES FLOATING AROUND FROM THIS TIME PERIOD?
-wES >>
Yep, but it's a VERYYYYYY well kept secret on the location where he has found these.
He made one of these pewter impressions last year from a different cancelled die and it sold for, what I thought was, much cheaper than the OP's.
<< <i>Interesting, wish we could see larger pictures but still neat. >>
Actually, those pictures are pretty poor. I know that some very good pictures were taken of those during the first session by people in my Digital Coin Photography class. It's a shame those aren't here.
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<< <i>sORRY, MY KEYBOARD IS STUCK IN CAPS LOCK.
tHAT'S A COOL ITEM! vERY HISTORICAL.
iS THERE ANY MORE DIES FLOATING AROUND FROM THIS TIME PERIOD?
-wES >>
Yep, but it's a VERYYYYYY well kept secret on the location where he has found these.
He made one of these pewter impressions last year from a different cancelled die and it sold for, what I thought was, much cheaper than the OP's. >>
They were found in an area right next to the mint building, IIRC, where thousands of the dies were buried. The archaeologists only let them dig up a thousand or so and are leaving the rest down there for future digs.
Ken Hopple told us at Summer Seminar that he previously sold such pewter impressions for around $300. I asked Mike Ellis at the Session I YN auction if he thought the impressions would hammer at around $300. He said: "I wish!"
The winner of the Session I impressions, John Barber, of Houston was a student in the digital photography course, so perhaps he has some better shots. I'm trying to get a collection of material out of him for uploading to the Greater Houston Coin Club Summer Seminar pages that I am developing.
Once the page is ready, I'll be transferring it to the club website and take it down from where it's at right now.
The conservation of Carson City Mint Dies
K S
<< <i>Here's a Beta of the webpage we're working on about the dies. There are some photos of the rusted state, too, for contrast.
Once the page is ready, I'll be transferring it to the club website and take it down from where it's at right now.
The conservation of Carson City Mint Dies >>
Do you have a new link? I can't find the page.
Obscurum per obscurius