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LeeG
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Sent in under the Regular Service Level
Order #20206233 / Submission #9092262
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 11458108 3312 1912 1C US Altered Surfaces
2 1 11458109 2564 1925-S 1C US MS63BN
3 1 11458110 2568 1926 1C US DNC
4 1 11458111 9299 1935 50C Connecticut US Enviromental Damage
5 1 11458112 9316 1946 50C Iowa US MS67
Total Items: 5
Date Received: 6/16/2008
Order #20206233 / Submission #9092262
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 11458108 3312 1912 1C US Altered Surfaces
2 1 11458109 2564 1925-S 1C US MS63BN
3 1 11458110 2568 1926 1C US DNC
4 1 11458111 9299 1935 50C Connecticut US Enviromental Damage
5 1 11458112 9316 1946 50C Iowa US MS67
Total Items: 5
Date Received: 6/16/2008
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Chris
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Shame about the 1912 Proof Lincoln, I've seen similar colorations in PCGS holders. I'd love to know why the 1926 65RB did not cross??? Questionable Color? I just think that they are super tight right now.
Gotta be happy with the Iowa and 1925-S though!!!
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
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Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars
<< <i>Had the MPL had a sticker, would that have been an "it's OK to cross this one" signal to PCGS? Do you think it's stickerable? Sort of adds a new angle to the crossover game. >>
Are you saying a sticker means "It's already been graded, cross it!", collect the $30 and move on?
<< <i>Interesting results. I wouldn't put stock in the fact that PCGS got the "altered surfaces" right. Like another poster said, I've seen numerous PCGS coins with that exact same look. The 1926 might be too brown for the RB designation, but again, it makes no difference, as that is one sweet looking coin. >>
Thanks and I agree. Many times I've sent coins back in and they've graded. The 26 is hammered!!!!!!!!
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<< <i>Interesting results. I wouldn't put stock in the fact that PCGS got the "altered surfaces" right. Like another poster said, I've seen numerous PCGS coins with that exact same look. The 1926 might be too brown for the RB designation, but again, it makes no difference, as that is one sweet looking coin. >>
Thanks and I agree. Many times I've sent coins back in and they've graded. The 26 is hammered!!!!!!!! >>
And I agree with both. I love the MPL and the 26 looks like a "no brainer" 65.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
U.S. Type Set
another example of blatant bias, and the numismatic shell game continues.
I'd bet both the 1912 and the 1926 would grade if you sent them in raw, and probably the CT too.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>another example of blatant bias, and the numismatic shell game continues. >>
I am not so sure it is a case of blatant bias.
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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<< <i>another example of blatant bias, and the numismatic shell game continues. >>
I am not so sure it is a case of blatant bias. >>
I agree, one of them even upgraded which was a very nice outcome by the way.
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<< <i>another example of blatant bias, and the numismatic shell game continues. >>
I am not so sure it is a case of blatant bias. >>
when this type of thing happens over and over again, there is no other logical explanation. it is nothing more than a "game", i'm convinced of it.
once i had the 8 "free" submission vouchers; I didn't have much i wanted to submit at the time, so i sent 8 NGC MS65 and MS66 Walkers, mostly late 30s and 40s; no real high dollar coins.
Of the eight, TWO "crossed". These were clean most white coins, not dipped out, rainbow toners or anything else. Wanting to see if this is a "game", i cracked the other six and sent them in. Low and behold, they all returned slabbed. Four came back with the same grade that NGC saw, while two upgraded (65 to 66 and 66 to 67). Bias, nothing more.
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<< <i>another example of blatant bias, and the numismatic shell game continues. >>
I am not so sure it is a case of blatant bias. >>
when this type of thing happens over and over again, there is no other logical explanation. it is nothing more than a "game", i'm convinced of it.
once i had the 8 "free" submission vouchers; I didn't have much i wanted to submit at the time, so i sent 8 NGC MS65 and MS66 Walkers, mostly late 30s and 40s; no real high dollar coins.
Of the eight, TWO "crossed". These were clean most white coins, not dipped out, rainbow toners or anything else. Wanting to see if this is a "game", i cracked the other six and sent them in. Low and behold, they all returned slabbed. Four came back with the same grade that NGC saw, while two upgraded (65 to 66 and 66 to 67). Bias, nothing more. >>
Sad. Really sad. I've heard too many stories like yours.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>I'm curious to know if you put "ANY" under min. grade, or used the same grades from NGC ??? >>
I left the minimum grade area on the submission form blank (cross at same). The old NGC holders have value and didn't want to loose that value by crossing at any.
Do I smell a resubmission?
Who cares whether the label is RB or BN for the '26!
Lincoln set Colorless Set
The Conn. Commem looks nice and I've seen several with the same "look" in PCGS slabs so I don't know what to say. The Iowa I believe is now correctly graded.
As an example on the Conn... Here is mine. It's not unlike what yours looks like...
-Randy Newman
<< <i>The 1926 Lincoln probably did not cross because it would now be classified as brown rather than red-brown. The requirements for red and red-brown have tightened considerably since the 1980's when that coin was slabbed. >>
which is another example of a company trying to "make" the market: have tight grading in the beginning, only to loosen it gradually to invite submissions; but make classifications for copper and DMPL/PL lmore loose in the beginning and tighten over time.
How about finding a rigid standard and sticking to it?
How credibility is maintained with this constant see-saw game over the last two decades is beyond me.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."