I heard him speak this morning on WEEI. I get the sense that he believes he's done as well. At least this way, he goes out on top. Ending his career with a WS win in '07 with his 3rd ring. Here comes the HOF discussions.............
Now he can spend 100% of his time on his pompous blog.
Woudn't you just love to see a Celebrity Deathmatch between Schilling and Kobe?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
As a Phillies fan, I can say that the Phils stage of his career hurts his HOF chances. He was such a good pitcher then, but never got great run support. For his sake, I was happy he went on to great things with Arizona and Boston. In my mind, he's HOF.
Too bad to hear the news about Schilling, but he sounds mentally prepared for the worse. As far as a HOF career, I don't think he is a HOF. He does have over 3000K's but he only had around 7 solid years and approx 12 to 13 mediocre years. He will certainly always be loved in Bosox country. It could be an example that 3000K's dosn't equate to HOF. Either way, I wish him the best and maybe he can come back healthy next year at some capacity.
Part of Curt Schilling is already in the hall of fame. I believe the sock and a few other things from that world series game are there. As far as him getting voted in, I have no clue, and I think the voters will have to think long and hard about it a few years from now.
<< <i>As a Phillies fan, I can say that the Phils stage of his career hurts his HOF chances. He was such a good pitcher then, but never got great run support. For his sake, I was happy he went on to great things with Arizona and Boston. In my mind, he's HOF. >>
<< <i>Now he can spend 100% of his time on his pompous blog. >>
I'd take a pompous athlete anyday over one who refuses to say anything. Anybody can say "no comment." But expressing yourself? How can you fault anybody for that?
/s/ JackWESQ
P.S. A 216-146 W-L record and 3.46 ERA is not terribly impressive. But a 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA post-season record is. I'd say he gets in first try with 78-82% of the vote.
P.S. A 216-146 W-L record and 3.46 ERA is not terribly impressive. But a 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA post-season record is. I'd say he gets in first try with 78-82% of the vote. >>
Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era.
<< <i>Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era. >>
Good point.
I was also checking out Steve Carlton's career. He had big #'s in his career, but he had a similar career as Schilling, as far as having many mediocre years versus good years. So maybe the writers might feel his post season stats will greatly add to his career and that Schilling never came up in steriod allegations during the steriod era. He certainly did pitch during a hitters era, so I guess we will have to see what the writers think when the time comes. I think he was a HOF caliber pitcher, I just think he needed a few more solid seasons.
<< <i>Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era. >>
Good point.
I was also checking out Steve Carlton's career. He had big #'s in his career, but he had a similar career as Schilling, as far as having many mediocre years versus good years. So maybe the writers might feel his post season stats will greatly add to his career and that Schilling never came up in steriod allegations during the steriod era. He certainly did pitch during a hitters era, so I guess we will have to see what the writers think when the time comes. I think he was a HOF caliber pitcher, I just think he needed a few more solid seasons. >>
I'm sorry, Schilling's career is by no means close to Carlton's career. Steve Carlton won four Cy Young Awards. Last time I checked, Schilling won zero. Schilling was a solid pitcher, borderline HOF'er. Without the great performances in the postseason, he'd have NO chance. I think he will get in, but not for a while.
I'm a fan of Curt Schilling because of everything he's meant to the Red Sox. The day that Theo traveled to Curt's home to woo him to Boston might have been the single most important day in Red Sox history since that George Herman dude left town so many years ago.
He should be in the Red Sox's Hall of Fame, without question.
But I don't think he gets into Cooperstown. Part of the reason is because his career stats are just better than the average star's numbers are. I also think the other reason he won't get in is because the people that get to vote don't like him. They don't like that he expresses views that frequently contradict their views and I don't think they like the fact that he blogs -- it's like he's stepping on their toes . . . his 38pitches.com has some of the best game-recap writing out there in today's shoddy sports journalism climate.
P.S. A 216-146 W-L record and 3.46 ERA is not terribly impressive. But a 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA post-season record is. I'd say he gets in first try with 78-82% of the vote. >>
Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era. >>
Maybe not a first ballot HOF'er but with those numbers he gets in at some point.
<< <i>I'm sorry, Schilling's career is by no means close to Carlton's career. Steve Carlton won four Cy Young Awards. Last time I checked, Schilling won zero. Schilling was a solid pitcher, borderline HOF'er. Without the great performances in the postseason, he'd have NO chance. I think he will get in, but not for a while. >>
You are certainly correct, very well said. Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly?
I was only stating Carlton did have many mediocre years as well, but I also mentioned he finished with big #'s. That being said, I basically was saying pitchers can be HOF's with many mediocre years, but they have to have many big years and have to finish with HOF career total #'s and I really don't feel that Schilling will do that. If Schilling gets into the HOF with his #'s as of today, I would think the Writers are putting way too much emphasis on his post season totals versus his career totals. It would also open the door to many other pitchers with better #'s that didn't even sniff the HOF.
<< <i> It would also open the door to many other pitchers with better #'s that didn't even sniff the HOF. >>
There are very few pitchers with better careers than Schilling who are not in the Hall-of-Fame (in my eyes Blyleven is the only one). If Schilling were to make it, it would mean he earned a small credit for his postseason success
OK, I will trade you for the 1978 "Bucky Dent" playoff game as well as the 2003 "Aaron Boone" ALCS Game 7. I have an extra DVD of each also
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Either Ortiz is dumb or a cheater. I heard on a radio show right before the Mitchell report came out that some former Minnesota Twin teammates were surprised that Big Papi was not on the Mitchell Report, but then again George Mitchell is part owner and a Director with the Red Sox. Right after Ortiz was traded from the Twins to the Red Sox he became Superman.
Mr. Bud Selig, GREAT job picking an unbiased investigator.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>I'm sorry, Schilling's career is by no means close to Carlton's career. Steve Carlton won four Cy Young Awards. Last time I checked, Schilling won zero. Schilling was a solid pitcher, borderline HOF'er. Without the great performances in the postseason, he'd have NO chance. I think he will get in, but not for a while. >>
You are certainly correct, very well said. Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly?
I was only stating Carlton did have many mediocre years as well, but I also mentioned he finished with big #'s. That being said, I basically was saying pitchers can be HOF's with many mediocre years, but they have to have many big years and have to finish with HOF career total #'s and I really don't feel that Schilling will do that. If Schilling gets into the HOF with his #'s as of today, I would think the Writers are putting way too much emphasis on his post season totals versus his career totals. It would also open the door to many other pitchers with better #'s that didn't even sniff the HOF. >>
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Wait and see what he posts in his blog in a couple weeks or so.
SO LONG, CURT...........................
Woudn't you just love to see a Celebrity Deathmatch between Schilling and Kobe?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
As far as him getting voted in, I have no clue, and I think the voters will have to think long and hard about it a few years from now.
<< <i>As a Phillies fan, I can say that the Phils stage of his career hurts his HOF chances. He was such a good pitcher then, but never got great run support. For his sake, I was happy he went on to great things with Arizona and Boston. In my mind, he's HOF. >>
Hits the nail right on the head!
Kevin
<< <i>Now he can spend 100% of his time on his pompous blog. >>
I'd take a pompous athlete anyday over one who refuses to say anything. Anybody can say "no comment." But expressing yourself? How can you fault anybody for that?
/s/ JackWESQ
P.S. A 216-146 W-L record and 3.46 ERA is not terribly impressive. But a 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA post-season record is. I'd say he gets in first try with 78-82% of the vote.
That was the first image that popped into my mind as well Paul.
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P.S. A 216-146 W-L record and 3.46 ERA is not terribly impressive. But a 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA post-season record is. I'd say he gets in first try with 78-82% of the vote. >>
Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame
in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era.
<< <i>Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame
in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era. >>
Good point.
I was also checking out Steve Carlton's career. He had big #'s in his career, but he had a similar career as Schilling, as far as having many mediocre years versus good years. So maybe the writers might feel his post season stats will greatly add to his career and that Schilling never came up in steriod allegations during the steriod era. He certainly did pitch during a hitters era, so I guess we will have to see what the writers think when the time comes. I think he was a HOF caliber pitcher, I just think he needed a few more solid seasons.
<< <i> he only had around 7 solid years and approx 12 to 13 mediocre years. >>
You count years he was in the top 10 in the league in ERA as mediocre?
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<< <i>Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame
in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era. >>
Good point.
I was also checking out Steve Carlton's career. He had big #'s in his career, but he had a similar career as Schilling, as far as having many mediocre years versus good years. So maybe the writers might feel his post season stats will greatly add to his career and that Schilling never came up in steriod allegations during the steriod era. He certainly did pitch during a hitters era, so I guess we will have to see what the writers think when the time comes. I think he was a HOF caliber pitcher, I just think he needed a few more solid seasons. >>
I'm sorry, Schilling's career is by no means close to Carlton's career. Steve Carlton won four Cy Young Awards. Last time I checked, Schilling won zero. Schilling was a solid pitcher, borderline HOF'er. Without the great performances in the postseason, he'd have NO chance. I think he will get in, but not for a while.
He should be in the Red Sox's Hall of Fame, without question.
But I don't think he gets into Cooperstown. Part of the reason is because his career stats are just better than the average star's numbers are. I also think the other reason he won't get in is because the people that get to vote don't like him. They don't like that he expresses views that frequently contradict their views and I don't think they like the fact that he blogs -- it's like he's stepping on their toes . . . his 38pitches.com has some of the best game-recap writing out there in today's shoddy sports journalism climate.
<< <i>
<< <i>
P.S. A 216-146 W-L record and 3.46 ERA is not terribly impressive. But a 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA post-season record is. I'd say he gets in first try with 78-82% of the vote. >>
Well, with those numbers, there is no doubt Schilling will eventually get in. Jim Catfish Hunter was elected into the Hall of Fame
in 1987 with a lifetime record of 224-166 and a 3.26 era. He had a 10-2 postseason record with an identical 3.26 era. >>
Maybe not a first ballot HOF'er but with those numbers he gets in at some point.
<< <i>I'm sorry, Schilling's career is by no means close to Carlton's career. Steve Carlton won four Cy Young Awards. Last time I checked, Schilling won zero. Schilling was a solid pitcher, borderline HOF'er. Without the great performances in the postseason, he'd have NO chance. I think he will get in, but not for a while. >>
You are certainly correct, very well said. Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly?
I was only stating Carlton did have many mediocre years as well, but I also mentioned he finished with big #'s. That being said, I basically was saying pitchers can be HOF's with many mediocre years, but they have to have many big years and have to finish with HOF career total #'s and I really don't feel that Schilling will do that. If Schilling gets into the HOF with his #'s as of today, I would think the Writers are putting way too much emphasis on his post season totals versus his career totals. It would also open the door to many other pitchers with better #'s that didn't even sniff the HOF.
<< <i> It would also open the door to many other pitchers with better #'s that didn't even sniff the HOF. >>
There are very few pitchers with better careers than Schilling who are not in the Hall-of-Fame (in my eyes Blyleven is the only one). If Schilling were to make it, it would mean he earned a small credit for his postseason success
<< <i>Now he can spend 100% of his time on his pompous blog.
Woudn't you just love to see a Celebrity Deathmatch between Schilling and Kobe? >>
I have an extra 2004 WS DVD. You want one?
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Too bad we can't play that one over, without the cheating.
Hypocrite. What about your 2004 World Series?
Report: Ortiz not sure if he took steroids
Either Ortiz is dumb or a cheater. I heard on a radio show right before the Mitchell report came out that some former Minnesota Twin teammates were surprised that Big Papi was not on the Mitchell Report, but then again George Mitchell is part owner and a Director with the Red Sox. Right after Ortiz was traded from the Twins to the Red Sox he became Superman.
Mr. Bud Selig, GREAT job picking an unbiased investigator.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>
<< <i>I'm sorry, Schilling's career is by no means close to Carlton's career. Steve Carlton won four Cy Young Awards. Last time I checked, Schilling won zero. Schilling was a solid pitcher, borderline HOF'er. Without the great performances in the postseason, he'd have NO chance. I think he will get in, but not for a while. >>
You are certainly correct, very well said. Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly?
I was only stating Carlton did have many mediocre years as well, but I also mentioned he finished with big #'s. That being said, I basically was saying pitchers can be HOF's with many mediocre years, but they have to have many big years and have to finish with HOF career total #'s and I really don't feel that Schilling will do that. If Schilling gets into the HOF with his #'s as of today, I would think the Writers are putting way too much emphasis on his post season totals versus his career totals. It would also open the door to many other pitchers with better #'s that didn't even sniff the HOF. >>
Oh, I got ya now. I agree with you.
<< <i>Doctor: Schilling could be throwing off mound by Jan. after successful surgery >>
Maybe Schilling will get another shot at pitching